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Can Catholics Be Christians?
The Orthodox Presbyterian Church ^

Posted on 12/08/2009 11:41:52 AM PST by Gamecock

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1 posted on 12/08/2009 11:41:52 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

I am Roman Catholic and I am a Christian....and there is only one judge......God.


2 posted on 12/08/2009 11:44:01 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; RnMomof7

Seems the OPC is much more loving than many of the Roman Catholics on my favorite conservative news site.


3 posted on 12/08/2009 11:44:11 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: NYer; MarkBsnr

Another grotesque anti-Catholic conceit oozing from the tarry-black pit of the Orthodox Calvinist vipers.


4 posted on 12/08/2009 11:44:23 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Did you read the article?


5 posted on 12/08/2009 11:44:39 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Isn’t that between the individual Catholic and God, as is the same for every other individual of any and all denominations?


6 posted on 12/08/2009 11:45:30 AM PST by mnehring
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To: All

7 posted on 12/08/2009 11:45:39 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Gamecock
Seems the OPC is much more loving than many of the Roman Catholics on my favorite conservative news site.

Feel the love:

However, I have lesser hope for people who are self-consciously Roman Catholic; that is, they understand the issues yet continue in the way of the Papacy.

8 posted on 12/08/2009 11:46:32 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Petronski
Another grotesque anti-Catholic conceit oozing from the tarry-black pit of the Orthodox Calvinist vipers.


9 posted on 12/08/2009 11:46:36 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

I know you’d rather not call you out on the anti-Catholic bigotry, but please, for the sake of your own pride, you’ve got to do better than that.


10 posted on 12/08/2009 11:47:27 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Petronski

Considering the Papists around here think Proddies are all lost that is quite funny


11 posted on 12/08/2009 11:47:47 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

HuH?????????????


12 posted on 12/08/2009 11:48:19 AM PST by votemout
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To: Gamecock

You’ll win a lot of converts with such uplifting and inspiring diatribes.


13 posted on 12/08/2009 11:48:23 AM PST by Carpe Cerevisi
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To: mnehring
Isn’t that between the individual Catholic and God, as is the same for every other individual of any and all denominations?

Didn't you know? Christians are judged by God, but Catholics are judged by Calvin.

14 posted on 12/08/2009 11:48:25 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Gamecock
Considering the Papists around here think Proddies are all lost that is quite funny?

Which "Papists" are they?

The Catholic Church doesn't teach that.

15 posted on 12/08/2009 11:49:33 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Petronski
...but Catholics are judged by Calvin.

So is Hobbs the bailiff?

16 posted on 12/08/2009 11:49:40 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Gamecock

Coming from the Calvinist side of things as you are,

I ask are people who believe that your soul cannot be turned a Christian? Isn’t that the entire premise of the religion?


17 posted on 12/08/2009 11:49:40 AM PST by FMoran (Go get 'em Sarah!)
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To: Gamecock

The tea kettle in that picture is brown.


18 posted on 12/08/2009 11:50:25 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Gamecock

Yes...and I stand by my statement.


19 posted on 12/08/2009 11:50:45 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: mnehring

Not that Calvin, you silly goose. Jean Cauvin, the French lawyer.


20 posted on 12/08/2009 11:51:07 AM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Gamecock

To be nice to you during the Christmas Season, I am just going to say “No comment”...


21 posted on 12/08/2009 11:51:21 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Petronski
..and there I go thinking we could use Leviathan as reference.
22 posted on 12/08/2009 11:53:17 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Gamecock
What a joke....Catholics are the ORIGINAL CHRISTIANS!

Whnever I see "Mary worship" I know that person is too ignorant of facts or has been brainwashed by some hillbillies.

23 posted on 12/08/2009 11:53:29 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: mnehring

No, Hobbs is the defense attorney


24 posted on 12/08/2009 11:53:42 AM PST by Sapper26 (Political Refugee From the Obamanation)
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To: Ann Archy

just ask a protestant who wrote and kept the bible for the first 1200 years or so......


25 posted on 12/08/2009 11:57:01 AM PST by joe fonebone (I am racist, hear me roar....I don't give a crap anymore....)
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To: Gamecock
“I too was a Roman Catholic”

I have never heard anyone in real life refer to themselves as a "Roman Catholic". Catholics refer to themselves and their faith as simply Catholic. You do not sound authentic to me.

26 posted on 12/08/2009 11:58:48 AM PST by detective
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To: Gamecock
Catholics are the first Christians!

How Old Is Your Church?

27 posted on 12/08/2009 11:59:34 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: joe fonebone

I call them DENIERS.


28 posted on 12/08/2009 11:59:34 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Gamecock
I became Catholic just a few years ago, so I don't have the knowledge or experience that most others in the church do.

However, I can tell you that I have not experienced anything like "Mary worship". Even today, the feast day of the Immaculate Conception does not indicate to me a displacement of Jesus. Rather, we celebrate the lives of Mary and all the saints who share in our worship of Jesus.

As I understand it, we ask Mary to pray for us, to intercede on our behalf. I find that no more unusual than offering to say a prayer for a suffering friend. That friend may ask me to say a prayer for them, just as I ask Mary to say a prayer for me.

Also, I say prayers for others who have gone. Whether they are saints or whether they are friends, family or co-workers. I don't expect them to answer a prayer as God would, but rather, it's simply a type of correspondence-a way of keeping them in my mind while I'm here on earth and they are with God.

I find nothing at all unusual or insulting to God that we constantly remember and revere the people who have gone. And never in my brief teachings in the Catholic church have I been led to believe that any of these people are God or Jesus' equal.

29 posted on 12/08/2009 11:59:41 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: detective
You do not sound authentic to me.

An Orthodox Presbyterian would never lie about the Catholic Church....no, never!

</DeepestDarkestSarcasm>

30 posted on 12/08/2009 12:04:35 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Ann Archy

There is no such thing as “Mary Worship.”

Catholics have told protestants this time and time again.

We ask Mary to intercede with her Son and pray for us. That’s it.

PS. Have you ever asked anyone to pray for you? Same thing.


32 posted on 12/08/2009 12:05:00 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Catholics are the first Christians!

To be fair, I believe a bunch of Jewish fishermen, carpenters, rebels and tax collectors were.

33 posted on 12/08/2009 12:06:24 PM PST by mnehring
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Instead, the author chooses to let the slur stand.

More than that: the author is republishing it without refuting it, serving only to spread it further.

That's not mere nonfeasance, but rather true malfeasance.

34 posted on 12/08/2009 12:06:42 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: Gamecock

Someone forgot a line of the Nicene Creed. If they really need to ask what the headline of this thread is about look up the Creed, hint katholikos.


35 posted on 12/08/2009 12:06:55 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Salvation

I had never prayed to someone to pray for me.


36 posted on 12/08/2009 12:07:33 PM PST by IronKros (Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition. ~Adam Smith, The Wealth)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

As a Catholic of many, many years, Your reply was very, very good. God Bless.


37 posted on 12/08/2009 12:07:52 PM PST by mom-7
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To: Gamecock

I think he does okay. One of the challenges of the sola fide view is where to put sincere error. One wants to avoid making right-belief a “work”. As I say, I think he does okay. Not bad IMHO.


38 posted on 12/08/2009 12:07:59 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Salvation

I believe ‘Intercessory Prayer’ is a mainstay of Fundamentalist Protestantism. It is considered one of the gifts of the Spirit.

(I’m Anglican so all of y’all hate me :-> )


39 posted on 12/08/2009 12:08:44 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Salvation

I’m a CATHOLIC!!! Of course we don’t do MARY WORSHIP> you really misread what I said.


40 posted on 12/08/2009 12:09:21 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: mnehring

And those apsstles were given the Sacrament of Orders by Jesus Christ himself.

“Receive the Holy Spirit, whose sins you forgive, they are forgiven them; whose sins you hold bound are held bound.”

“Go, therefore, baptizing all in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”


41 posted on 12/08/2009 12:10:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock
I found the article to be quite accurate and compassionate towards Catholics. What was there in it to make anyone mad? God will judge, the rest of us can only guess and He won’t be asking our opinion.

Romans 14:4
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

The bible is the answer. If you haven’t read it (and most Christians have not) you are uninformed about your own religion.

42 posted on 12/08/2009 12:11:13 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

Do not use potty language - or references to potty language - on the Religion Forum.


43 posted on 12/08/2009 12:11:13 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Petronski; MarkBsnr; Gamecock

The question of course is, by what authority can this church pose the question, much less give a response.


44 posted on 12/08/2009 12:11:16 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: Gamecock

Good, balanced article.

If you trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, you will be saved, even if you hold some false doctrines. I’m all in favor of sound doctrine, but it’s Christ who saves us, and not the soundness of our doctrine.


45 posted on 12/08/2009 12:11:21 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Salvation

Thank you for posting “How old is your Church”!! It just amazes me that Protestants DENY THESE FACTS.


46 posted on 12/08/2009 12:11:38 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Repealthe17thAmendment

48. Let all, therefore, try to approach with greater trust the throne of grace and mercy of our Queen and Mother, and beg for strength in adversity, light in darkness, consolation in sorrow; above all let them strive to free themselves from the slavery of sin and offer an unceasing homage, filled with filial loyalty, to their Queenly Mother. Let her churches be thronged by the faithful, her feast-days honored; may the beads of the Rosary be in the hands of all; may Christians gather, in small numbers and large, to sing her praises in churches, in homes, in hospitals, in prisons. May Mary’s name be held in highest reverence, a name sweeter than honey and more precious than jewels; may none utter blasphemous words, the sign of a defiled soul, against that name graced with such dignity and revered for its motherly goodness; let no one be so bold as to speak a syllable which lacks the respect due to her name.


47 posted on 12/08/2009 12:12:40 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: NYer
The question of course is, by what authority can this church pose the question, much less give a response.

+1

48 posted on 12/08/2009 12:14:47 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Gamecock

> I came out of that religion about 25 years ago after reading for myself what the Bible had to say.

So then what is the problem?

Do you think you been missed?


49 posted on 12/08/2009 12:14:56 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Daddy's First Christmas!)
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To: Gamecock

Regarding the practice of asking Mary to pray for us ... I’ve never talked to a dead person. Not sure there’s much value in doing so.

Mary was a special woman, a chosen vessel through whom the Messiah would come. But she’s dead, unable to hear all the prayers sent her way.

Instead, let’s pray directly to the Lord, and invite our (living) friends to join us.


50 posted on 12/08/2009 12:15:41 PM PST by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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