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To: Teófilo; kosta50; mountn man

“We can pray the Our Father and those other prayers and hymns in the New Testament as Jews and only in this way we can experience them primarily as Christians. There’s simply no way around it. In this manner, all Catholics could and should pray like Jews.”

Interesting obrservation, T. Don’t forget that The Church is the New Israel, not Israel. Our covenant is different from theirs.

I’ve practiced law for many, many years with a good Jew who knows the history of his people and his religion. He always says how comfortable he is at an Orthodox liturgy, remarking that “take away all the Jesus stuff and it feels like what I imagine a temple ceremony was like.” But he’s no Christian...and I am no Jew. Different covenants, T.

That said, Greeks and Jews together make the perfect combo since we are both Chosen People of God and His favorite naughty children! We, as they say, understand each other.


11 posted on 12/27/2009 5:21:33 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; Teófilo; mountn man
Teófilo: “We can pray the Our Father and those other prayers and hymns in the New Testament as Jews and only in this way we can experience them primarily as Christians. There’s simply no way around it. In this manner, all Catholics could and should pray like Jews.”

Except that Jews don't pray the Lord's Prayer. You are building a house of cards, Teófilo.

12 posted on 12/27/2009 6:20:12 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
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To: Kolokotronis
Interesting obrservation, T. Don’t forget that The Church is the New Israel, not Israel. Our covenant is different from theirs.

I understand that. However, that raises the question if Jews are saved through observance of the Old Covenant, apart from Christ. Prickly prickly!

I’ve practiced law for many, many years with a good Jew who knows the history of his people and his religion. He always says how comfortable he is at an Orthodox liturgy, remarking that “take away all the Jesus stuff and it feels like what I imagine a temple ceremony was like.” But he’s no Christian...and I am no Jew. Different covenants, T.

Different perceptions of a phenomenon whose underlying Reality is the same, K.

That said, Greeks and Jews together make the perfect combo since we are both Chosen People of God and His favorite naughty children! We, as they say, understand each other.

Absolutely! 100% Agreed!

-Theo

14 posted on 12/27/2009 7:18:22 AM PST by Tefilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Kolokotronis
That said, Greeks and Jews together make the perfect combo since we are both Chosen People of God

You're starting to sound like those blasted Calvinists /grump.

30 posted on 12/27/2009 9:29:11 AM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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