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To: kosta50
Except that Jews don't pray the Lord's Prayer. You are building a house of cards, Teófilo.

Uh huh.

I explained the divergences in Part II, including the ones that stop post-biblical, post-second temple ("modern") Jews to reach an intimacy with God that would allow them to call Him "Father" as Jesus did.

Perhaps if you had read the entire 3-part essay...

But hey, I can't say I blame you totally. My writing is many times long, boring, and sleep-inducing. What I mean is that you can't kindly accuse me of not having dealt with the point you raise. :-)

-Theo

13 posted on 12/27/2009 7:14:07 AM PST by Teˇfilo (Visit Vivificat! - http://www.vivificat.org - A Catholic Blog of News, Commentary and Opinion)
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To: Te├│filo; Kolokotronis
I explained the divergences in Part II, including the ones that stop post-biblical, post-second temple ("modern") Jews to reach an intimacy with God that would allow them to call Him "Father" as Jesus did

There was never any intimacy with God in Judaism. It would have been considered a blasphemy to even dare suggest that one is his son. Those who are referred to as the sons of the Elohim (angels and kings) are adopted as God's favorites, and God is not their real father. The Jewish messiah was never supposed to be a divine "offspring" of God, and the Gospel of mark makes that perfectly clear.

The idea that we are to become perfect as "your Father in heaven is perfect" is an ontological innovation alien and blasphemous to Judaism.

Again, you are building a house of cards, Teofilo.

15 posted on 12/27/2009 7:33:29 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
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To: Te├│filo; Kolokotronis
In fact, the whole idea that we can somehow be also "related" to God is a wholly pagan ontological concept encountered, for example, in Greek mythology. To a Jew, we are but merely created in the image and likeness of God. Saying that God is your Father to a Jewish mind is like a photograph calling a photographer its father. This is an ontologically unbridgeable divide, Teofilo. Christianity is in a large part a mixture of Platonic as well as Aristotelian paganism inserted into Judaism and, as such, it is unrecognizable to a Jewish mind. There is no covnergence.
16 posted on 12/27/2009 7:42:12 AM PST by kosta50 (Don't look up -- the truth is all around you.)
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To: Te├│filo
Except that Jews don't pray the Lord's Prayer.

Jesus was a Jew.

18 posted on 12/27/2009 8:06:43 AM PST by onedoug
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