Posted on 01/03/2010 10:30:30 PM PST by Gamecock
“I mean we have moments of complete trust, and then moments of doubt and worry and all the rest. And our thinking so easily goes off the rails.”
Ah, the “mustard seed” principle. Your profound observation “grace of faith” I think answers some of your question. It is not us holding onto God but His holding onto us that saves. Faith is His gift, not of our making or we would muck it up royally.
You don’t have the animals now do you? Allergies can build up, especially with nosey goats and sheep.
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The main punishment for heretics is in the afterlife. The new Testament tells us to separate yourself from them, and that God will condemn them according to how many they sent to perdition for their false teachings.
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there shall be among you lying teachers who shall bring in sects of perdition and deny the Lord who bought them: bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their riotousness, through whom the
way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but delivered them, drawn down by infernal ropes to the lower hell, unto torments, to be reserved unto judgment: 5 And spared not the original world, but preserved Noe, the eighth person, the preacher of justice, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly. 6 And reducing the cities of the Sodomites
and of the Gomorrhites into ashes.... 21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of justice than, after they have known it, to turn back from that holy commandment which was delivered to them. 22 For, that of the true proverb has happened to them: The dog is returned to his vomit; and: The sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. (2Peter 2)
Here is a decree from the Church saying basically the same as 2 Peter 2):
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”
And he was never excommunicated.
Is it so difficult for Rome to say it made a mistake?
Hitler abandoned the Catholic faith in his youth. By your reasoning, the Catholic Church is responsible for excommunicating women pastors in the Presbyterian churches.
If Hitler was still Catholic, he was excommunicated ipso facto under 2 provisions in the Canon Law of the Church. Additionally in February 1931, the German bishops meeting in conferences in Fulda and Freising excommunicated Nazi leaders and activists. That includes Hitler.
Verb. sap.
And do not forget that His Holiness, Pope Pius XII explicitely supported this excommunication.
Hardly, though I did give justification for my terms. Besides, I can't force you to use it.
How about "christian" for Roman Catholics" and "Christian" for Protestants?
On what grounds? Catholics and Protestants consider each other to be Christian.
The more they repeat the untruths, the more opportunity we have to set the facts straight and post the truth for all to see.
True enough. I didn’t know about Fulda and Freising, so </i>I</i> learned from it.
Same here. That’s a nice little fact to keep in one’s pocket.
The Repulsive Calvinist Cult likes to repeat lies about the Catholic Church and Ven. Pope Pius XII because they need to distract us from the Calvinist roots of fascism (and globalism).
You are doubly false.
This is true; HOWEVER, there is a small group of anti-Catholic FReepers who claim to be Christian whose actions makes it IMPOSSIBLE for me to consider them Christians.
And lest anyone get the wrong idea, I am NOT referring to Protestants who simply oppose Catholic teachings. I am speaking of a small group of bigots who persist in the spreading of what they know to be lies or, in some cases, falsehoods that they themselves have fabricated. These people are, despite their knowledge of Scripture, minions of Satan.
Don’t forget segregationism.
From: Radio Replies Fathers Rumble and Carty 2nd Volume
361. What assurance did Christ give that His Church would be preserved from error?
When He said, “I will build my Church,” He also said that “the gates of hell
would never prevail against it.” Matt. XVI., 18, But the forces of evil and errror would have prevailed against the Church had she not been rendered infallible. Again, He commanded men to hear the Church under pain of damnation. He sent the Church to teach in His name, and said, “He who hears you hears me.” Lk. X., 16. And again, “He who believes and is baptized shall be saved; he who believes not, shall he condemned.” Mk. XVI., 16. He could not order us to believe the Church, with our very salvation at stake, yet not guarantee His Church against the possibility of leading us into disastrous errors quite opposed to His teachings. Moreover when He commissioned the Church to go and to teach all nations, He promised to be with her all days till the end of the world (Matt. XXVIII., 20), and He sent the Holy Spirit to keep her as the “pillar and ground of truth.” All this forbids the possibility of a departure from the revealed truth; or, in other words, constitutes pledge of perpetual infallibility.
Radio Replies Fathers Rumble and Carty 3rd Volume
230. QUESTION: It is the Catholic claim to infallibility that is the trouble. That makes her hard on others as noninfallible Churches need never be.
ANSWER: The Catholic Church is not hard on others. She is uncompromising. With this reservation, I admit that her exclusiveness is due to her infallibility. She denies that men have the right to dispute any truth revealed by Christ. That necessarily follows from her doctrine that Christ is God. Sabatier, a French Protestant, admitted straight out that an indisputable religious truth supposes an infallible Church. He proved that no Church could maintain any definite doctrines unless it were infallible, and accepted as infallible. And he showed that psychologically, socially, and in actual fact, doctrinal chaos and unbelief must result without the safeguard of a final living authority. He himself refused to accept any infallible Church, so gave up believing that any indisputable truth can be known. In other words, he gave up Protestantism for Modernism. deriving all real value to statements of belief issued by any Church, whether Catholic or Protestant.
At the same time, their focus on KGB lies about Ven. Pius XII only serves to exonerate by omission Hitler’s Mufti, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who thought the Holocaust was too slow and inefficient.
You have a lot of chutzpah mocking someone else’s education.
You’re the one who dismissed the preeminent WWII historian in the world, Sir Martin Gilbert, as some Joooooo who agrees with Rome.
Exactly, whatever their protestations to the contrary, they are nothing more than apologists for Nazism, communism and Islamofascism.
In addition to his scholarship of World War II and the Holocaust in specific, Sir Martin Gilbert is the world’s undisputed expert on Sir Winston Churchill.
RnMomof7 WROTE:
The belief that the Holy Spirit speaks through the RC Church magisterium is found no where in scripture
verdadjusticia RESPONDS:
I showed you where it is in scripture by a separate posting. Now I bounce it back to you; your belief in “bible only” is found no where in scripture!
1) Sola scripture is not taught in the Sacred Scriptures.
2) Sola scriptura is an example of the logical fallacy of begging the question, in as much as the canonical scriptures never identify what is and what is not Scripture.
3) Sola scriptura was not believed by anybody until the Reformation, and is thus a tradition of man, condemned by our Divine Lord Jesus Christ.
4) The Sacred Scriptures teach that oral tradition is a source of revelation.
5) The Sacred Scriptures show the Catholic system of authority.
6) The writings of the earliest Christians show the Catholic system of authority.
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