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HOW CAN A GOOD GOD ALLOW A QUAKE?
Allvoices ^ | Jan 12 | J. Grant Swank, Jr.

Posted on 01/12/2010 8:05:30 PM PST by freedomyes

So many dead. So many grieving. So many distraught.

Where is God? Where is the good God?

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TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Religion & Culture; Theology
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1 posted on 01/12/2010 8:05:31 PM PST by freedomyes
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To: freedomyes

Same place he always is.


2 posted on 01/12/2010 8:07:22 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: freedomyes

He is welcoming them home.


4 posted on 01/12/2010 8:08:07 PM PST by mockingbyrd (Sarah speaks for me!)
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To: freedomyes
I believe that long ago a British newspaper had a contest and asked readers to write in and answer the question: "What is wrong with the world?"

Best Response:

I am.
G.K. Chesterton

5 posted on 01/12/2010 8:08:47 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (We have the 1st so that we can call on people to rebel. We have 2nd so that they can.)
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To: freedomyes

It is one of the ways He gets the attention of a planet that tends to ignore Him.


6 posted on 01/12/2010 8:09:10 PM PST by Tonytitan
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To: freedomyes

“In this world you will have tribulation. But be of good cheer. I have overcome the world.” - Jesus


7 posted on 01/12/2010 8:09:48 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: freedomyes

How profound. I wish I’d said that.


8 posted on 01/12/2010 8:10:48 PM PST by Mobties
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To: freedomyes

Is it true the Haitian people celebrate voodoo and other practices of worship detrimental to God? If so, then there’s your answer.


9 posted on 01/12/2010 8:10:51 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: mockingbyrd

Exactly. This kind of question always pre-supposes that this life is the best we can hope for.


10 posted on 01/12/2010 8:10:54 PM PST by skeeter
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To: freedomyes

They’ll be helped and it will America that does it. Hey, Al Gore, is this part of ‘’climate change?’’


11 posted on 01/12/2010 8:11:08 PM PST by John-Irish ("Shame of him who thinks of it''.)
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To: freedomyes

We can question God and His will. But he owes us no answers. He left His Word for us. Sounds to me as if
some people need to consult it. Should they choose not to consult the Scriptures, that is not God’s fault.


12 posted on 01/12/2010 8:11:53 PM PST by righttackle44
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To: freedomyes

You have two choices, you can choose freedom and free will and all that entails or you can choose to be a puppet and a slave. And you can thank the Good Lord for that choice.


13 posted on 01/12/2010 8:13:45 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: mockingbyrd

Your post just gave me goose bumbs and the warmest safest feeling i have had in a long time what a statement


14 posted on 01/12/2010 8:13:45 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom sarc ;))
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Is it true the Haitian people celebrate voodoo and other practices of worship detrimental to God? If so, then there’s your answer.”

And yet consider. . .

“Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish.” Luke 13:4-5


15 posted on 01/12/2010 8:14:06 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: All

Click The Pic

16 posted on 01/12/2010 8:14:26 PM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR... Monthly donors welcome!)
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To: freedomyes

Book of Revelations,Global Warming and Aztec Calendar collide.... leave God out of this


17 posted on 01/12/2010 8:14:42 PM PST by woofie
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To: freedomyes

Doesn’t anyone ever read about theology anymore?

God helps those who help themselves

We have “free will”

blah blah blah


18 posted on 01/12/2010 8:14:58 PM PST by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards,com)
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To: freedomyes

> Where is God? Where is the good God?

He was told to get lost.

The school systems teach that everything came from nothing out of nowhere for no reason; that life is just a curious side effect of an unknowing, uncaring cosmos; that when you die, you are just so much compost; that the best you can hope for is a life of self-gratification and a painless extinction.

His Son, whom God sent to pay for your sins, is ridiculed and scorned, and His name is used as cheap puncutation or to get laughs, usually intermingled with the basest, coarsest language.

And we are ALL GONNA DIE one way or another, because we live in a sin-cursed world that is deteriorating and groaning daily.

Consider these passages from Romans chapter 1 as a partial explanation.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Your *ONLY* hope is *AFTER* this life, because YOU ... WILL ... DIE one way or another.

If you don’t repent, and ask God to SAVE YOU, and call upon HIS NAME and HIS SON’S NAME, your destiny will be even worse than whatever effects your passage from this life to the next.


19 posted on 01/12/2010 8:15:01 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: freedomyes

First - God doesn’t “allow” things to happen. Sin has “allowed” things to happen. God is where he’s always been - right there next to you. He never leaves us - We leave Him...turn around and He’ll be right where you left Him.


20 posted on 01/12/2010 8:15:12 PM PST by ninergold3 ("Has it ever occurred to you that nothing occurs to God?" -Mark Lowry)
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To: freedomyes

EZ. A good God allowed his only begotten Son, the creator of the universe, to be born in the most humiliating circumstances in a cattle shed and then be tortured and crucified and buried in a stranger’s grave. So what’s there to raise this issue of a “good” God?


21 posted on 01/12/2010 8:15:52 PM PST by Steelfish
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To: freedomyes
Haitian Vodou
22 posted on 01/12/2010 8:17:12 PM PST by Errant
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To: jwalsh07

Bingo!


23 posted on 01/12/2010 8:17:42 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Jail Al Gore and the Climate Frauds!)
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To: freedomyes

everybody dies eventually. Some people die of heart attacks, some die of Cancer, some die from war, starvation, plague, some die of earthquakes, floods, blizzards, etc. We all owe a debt of death, that’s the deal. All that matters in the end is how you lived.


24 posted on 01/12/2010 8:18:24 PM PST by RC one (WHAT!!!)
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To: All; freedomyes
Read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis.
25 posted on 01/12/2010 8:19:04 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2 million for Sarah Palin: What will you do?)
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To: freedomyes
HOW CAN A GOOD GOD ALLOW A QUAKE?

How can a good God allow a Flood?

-PJ

26 posted on 01/12/2010 8:19:10 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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To: freedomyes

Death is different from God’s point of view.


27 posted on 01/12/2010 8:20:05 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: freedomyes

God is welcoming home those that were lost to us, and he’s there to comfort those who were left behind.


28 posted on 01/12/2010 8:21:22 PM PST by GloriaJane (Pro-Choice = Pro-Death........ Pro-Life = Pro-LIFE!)
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To: pnh102; All

Did anyone here actually read the article?


29 posted on 01/12/2010 8:22:34 PM PST by rom (Rejoice! The Christ has come!)
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To: freedomyes
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

30 posted on 01/12/2010 8:23:12 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: freedomyes

How can you post such stupid questions?


31 posted on 01/12/2010 8:23:14 PM PST by bmwcyle (Free the Navy Seals)
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To: freedomyes

/facepalm.....


32 posted on 01/12/2010 8:23:36 PM PST by cranked
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To: ninergold3

Very well said!


33 posted on 01/12/2010 8:24:30 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: freedomyes

If you believe in the immortal soul then the people who have died so tragically have simply moved on the problem is our limited vision of where we currently are in the big picture God understands this we do not.

As the Eagle’s said in Hotel California:”you can check out any time you want, but you can never leave”.


34 posted on 01/12/2010 8:25:14 PM PST by Leto
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To: freedomyes

Who are you, the forum deist?


35 posted on 01/12/2010 8:25:30 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Koh 'amar HaShem, "Shallach `ammi, veya`avduni!")
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To: freedomyes

Let me share with you my answer to your question — sort of my take on Job.

The Universe is a massive tapestry of majestic beauty and making, literally, perfect sense in the long run. But you have to be OUTSIDE space and time to perceive it.

We are on a spot on that tapestry. We can perceive the strands that we connect to and even dimly a few strands away (via our ability to see the world and even nearby stellar objects).

But we can’t see the entirety, since it is impossible to have the proper perspective.

This disaster is part of the entirety of the tapestry. It is part of the strands that make up the background (the Earth). God made the rules that the physical Earth and by which it operates. We get a habitable environment, food, water, resources, etc. But they come at a cost. The planet continues to grow and change, as do we all.

It is what we DO as God’s children when these disasters happen that continues to perfect the tapestry.

This isn’t “New Age” philosophy. It is a direct application of Christianity (Christ changed the tapestry and straightened the threads that were askew) to an old yet always relevant question.

I will pray for help for the afflicted and will give money for relief efforts.

I hope this helped at least a little. You can ease your heart by helping. That is what God wants from us.


36 posted on 01/12/2010 8:25:41 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; CatDancer
Is it true the Haitian people celebrate voodoo and other practices of worship detrimental to God? If so, then there’s your answer.

What about Job?
37 posted on 01/12/2010 8:26:35 PM PST by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

>>Is it true the Haitian people celebrate voodoo and other practices of worship detrimental to God? If so, then there’s your answer.<<

I think smiting went our after Christ came to save mankind.


38 posted on 01/12/2010 8:26:38 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedomyes
Where is God? Where is the good God?

The only people who died were the ones that pissed him off.

I'd be careful for the next few days if I were you.

39 posted on 01/12/2010 8:26:46 PM PST by Michael.SF. (At least Hitler got the Olympics for Germany)
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To: shield

read

‘HE’S GOT THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD IN HIS HANDS’ : SHAKING UP WITH EARTHQUAKES

http://jgrantswankjr.blogspot.com/2010/01/hes-got-whole-wide-world-in-his-hands.html


40 posted on 01/12/2010 8:27:21 PM PST by freedomyes
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To: green pastures

>>What about Job?<<

Great minds....??


41 posted on 01/12/2010 8:27:41 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Is it true the Haitian people celebrate voodoo and other practices of worship detrimental to God? If so, then there’s your answer.

You don't seriously believe that, do you?

Besides, if God is all-powerful, how can anything that anyone does be detrimental to God?

42 posted on 01/12/2010 8:27:55 PM PST by GeorgeSaden
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To: freedomyes
Where is God? Where is the good God?

You're asking, why He does not answer to YOU personally ?

... and the horse you rode in on.


43 posted on 01/12/2010 8:28:22 PM PST by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Steelfish

> EZ. A good God allowed his only begotten Son, the creator
> of the universe, to be born in the most humiliating
> circumstances in a cattle shed and then be tortured and
> crucified and buried in a stranger’s grave.

All that for *YOUR* *BLOODY* SINS!!

> So what’s there to raise this issue of a “good” God?

Here’s what there is.

Do you have children?

Are they not, in a manner of speaking, your own Creation? Made in your likeness and image?

Would you be willing to die for your children?

Imagine there is a King and a Just Judge. One who must always judge with complete impartiality and honesty.

The Accuser brings before this King one of His own dear children, caught in an act worthy of death. What can the King do? To set the guilty free would be the gravest injustice that would shake the foundations of His Kingdom.

To condemn His dear child is more than He can bear.

What can He do?

The *ONLY* thing He could do to set His child free and to still effect Justice is to take the place of His dear child and suffer the penalty of Death in his child’s place.

Jesus did that for YOU.

Willingly.

He’s waiting for you now.

All you need to do is call upon His name, ask His forgiveness for sending Him to that torturous death, and ask Him to SAVE YOUR SOUL!

Do it!

You have *NOTHING* to lose and *ETERNAL BLISS* to gain!


45 posted on 01/12/2010 8:32:25 PM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: freedomyes
You've been here, what, two months? And this is your question?

I smell a troll looking for controversy.

46 posted on 01/12/2010 8:33:40 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: ninergold3

Truth BUMP!!


47 posted on 01/12/2010 8:33:46 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: LouAvul

And yesterday was another one of these threads. And very bossy for a newbie. I say RETREAD troll.


48 posted on 01/12/2010 8:35:13 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: freedumb2003

3 seconds separating responses that I think were intended to be paired... And, somehow, they were.

Wonder how that happened ;-)


49 posted on 01/12/2010 8:36:22 PM PST by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: freedomyes
I was going to say, Who is this guy?! And how dare he!

Then I realized you posted only the title in an inflammatory fashion to draw us into taking a look.

The Author only asks the question rhetorically to provide the same answer we already know throughout Judeo-Christianity.

Till the close of Earth’s history, tragedies will continue to spill themselves over the face of the planet — since Adam and Eve first fell for the Lie. But out of every tragedy, faith can lift the arm of hope toward good God. In doing so, victory is assured through the tears. Eternity will prove it to be true.

50 posted on 01/12/2010 8:36:59 PM PST by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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