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Pope John Paul practiced self-mortification, postulator confirms (Catholic Caucus)
cns ^ | Januay 26, 2010 | Cindy Wooden

Posted on 01/26/2010 3:49:55 PM PST by NYer


Msgr. Slawomir Oder, postulator for the sainthood cause of Pope John Paul II, presents his new book on the late pope in Rome Jan. 26. (CNS/Paul Haring)

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope John Paul II always took penitence seriously, spending entire nights lying with his arms outstretched on the bare floor, fasting before ordaining priests or bishops and flagellating himself, said the promoter of his sainthood cause.

Msgr. Slawomir Oder, postulator of the late pope's cause, said Pope John Paul used self-mortification "both to affirm the primacy of God and as an instrument for perfecting himself."

The monsignor spoke to reporters Jan. 26 at the launch of his book, "Why He's a Saint: The Real John Paul II According to the Postulator of His Beatification Cause."

Earlier in the day, two Italian news Web sites reported that an October date had been set for Pope John Paul's beatification, but Msgr. Oder said nothing could be confirmed until physicians, theologians and cardinals at the Congregation for Saints' Causes accept a miracle credited to the late pope's intercession and Pope Benedict formally signs a decree recognizing it.

Msgr. Oder's book, published only in Italian, is based largely on what he said he learned from the documents collected for the beatification process and, particularly, from the sworn testimony of the 114 people who personally knew Pope John Paul and testified before the Rome diocesan tribunal investigating his fame of holiness.

Because of the reticence surrounding the process, the witnesses who served as the source for particular affirmations in the book are not named, although some are described loosely as members of the papal entourage or the papal household.

"When it wasn't some infirmity that made him experience pain, he himself would inflict discomfort and mortification on his body," Msgr. Oder wrote.

He said the penitential practices were common both when then-Karol Wojtyla was archbishop of Krakow, Poland, as well as after he became pope.

"Not infrequently he passed the night lying on the bare floor," the monsignor wrote, and people in the Krakow archbishop's residence knew it, even if the archbishop would mess up the covers on his bed so it wouldn't be obvious that he hadn't slept there.

"As some members of his closest entourage were able to hear with their own ears, Karol Wojtyla flagellated himself both in Poland and in the Vatican," Msgr. Oder wrote. "In his closet, among the cassocks, there was a hook holding a particular belt for slacks, which he used as a whip and which he also always brought to Castel Gandolfo," the papal summer residence south of Rome.

In the book, Msgr. Oder said Pope John Paul firmly believed that he was doing what St. Paul professed to do in the Letter to the Colossians: "In my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ."

He also said the pope, who had a notorious sweet tooth, was extremely serious about maintaining the Lenten fast and would lose several pounds before Easter each year, but he also fasted before ordaining priests and bishops and for other special intentions.

Msgr. Oder's book also marked the publication for the first time of letters Pope John Paul prepared in 1989 and in 1994 offering the College of Cardinals his resignation in case of an incurable disease or other condition that would prevent him from fulfilling his ministry.

For years there were rumors that Pope John Paul had prepared a letter instructing cardinals to consider him resigned in case of incapacity.

But even a month before his death in April 2005, canon law experts in Rome and elsewhere were saying the problem with such a letter is that someone else would have to decide when to pull it out of the drawer and apply it.

Church law states that a pope can resign, but it stipulates that papal resignation must be "made freely and properly manifested" -- conditions that would be difficult to ascertain if a pope were already incapacitated.

Msgr. Oder wrote that in Pope John Paul's 1994 letter the stressed syllables in spoken Italian are underlined, making it appear that the pope had read it or was preparing to read it to the College of Cardinals.

The 1989 letter was brief and to the point; it says that in the case of an incurable illness that prevents him from "sufficiently carrying out the functions of my apostolic ministry" or because of some other serious and prolonged impediment, "I renounce my sacred and canonical office, both as bishop of Rome as well as head of the holy Catholic Church."

In his 1994 letter the pope said he had spent years wondering whether a pope should resign at age 75, the normal retirement age for bishops. He also said that, two years earlier, when he thought he might have a malignant colon tumor, he thought God had already decided for him.

Then, he said, he decided to follow the example of Pope Paul VI who, in 1965, concluded that a pope "could not resign the apostolic mandate except in the presence of an incurable illness or an impediment that would prevent the exercise of the functions of the successor of Peter."

"Outside of these hypotheses, I feel a serious obligation of conscience to continue to fulfill the task to which Christ the Lord has called me as long as, in the mysterious plan of his providence, he desires," the letter said.



TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; History; Prayer
KEYWORDS: 1tim47; catholic; johnpaulii; jp2; jpii; pope; vatican

1 posted on 01/26/2010 3:49:56 PM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...

As if he didn’t suffer enough ... God bless him!


2 posted on 01/26/2010 3:51:14 PM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: NYer

Amazing stuff. I’m gobsmacked.


3 posted on 01/26/2010 3:54:34 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Fasting has been part of Christianity since the very beginning. I don’t necessarily go along with the other stuff, but have respect. This man was one of the key figures in bringing down the Evil Empire.


8 posted on 01/26/2010 4:18:44 PM PST by hellbender
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To: NYer

Christian tradition is more in line with the Pope’s practices than with our idea of “just being alive and ... er ... having to share the remote ... is enough suffering.”


9 posted on 01/26/2010 4:23:00 PM PST by Tax-chick (I haven't tried it, myself, but I'm told it's a delicacy in Japan.)
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To: NYer

This is actually quite old. When I was in Italy in November the papers were breaking this story. I could make out the title, but that was it.


10 posted on 01/26/2010 4:36:20 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: NYer

If you should try to qualify for the Olympics, you would put yourself through a training regimen that would cause you great pain and suffering. But you would be lauded for your courage. “No pain, no gain”, your admirers would chant.

If, however, you should mortify your body (a Biblical thing) as penance for your sins you would be thought of as a nut case. Your suffering would probably be less than the Olympian chasing a mere bauble. But a nut case you would be.

If you’re ready to criticize the Pope, at least be consistent and criticize the Olympians ... and football players ... and ... [fill in the blank].


11 posted on 01/26/2010 5:00:30 PM PST by choirboy (My representatives are crapier than your representatives)
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To: NYer
For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if by the Spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live. (Romans 8:13)

Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, lust, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is the service of idols. (Colossians 3:5)

12 posted on 01/26/2010 5:15:36 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: choirboy
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. 25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. 26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified. -- 1 Cor 9:24-27

The word translated "discipline" is hupopiadzo, "1) to beat black and blue, to smite so as to cause bruises and livid spots 1a) like a boxer one buffets his body, handle it roughly, discipline by hardships 2) metaph. 2a) to give one intolerable annoyance 2a1) beat one out, wear one out 2b) by entreaties 3) that part of the face that is under the eyes"

13 posted on 01/26/2010 5:28:42 PM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: NYer

Many saints have practiced self-mortification in the past. This is nothing new.


14 posted on 01/26/2010 6:36:49 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: annalex

**For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if by the Spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live. (Romans 8:13)**

Just led a Bible Study on Romans 8 today. We had a great discussion/study.


15 posted on 01/26/2010 6:38:13 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

“Always bearing about in our body the mortification of Jesus, that the life also of Jesus may be made manifest in our bodies.” 2 Corinthians 4:10


16 posted on 01/26/2010 6:48:55 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Campion; Salvation

St. Paul taught that works have nothing to do with salvation, right?

Riiiight.


17 posted on 01/26/2010 8:01:59 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: NYer
After Mother Teresa of Calcutta died, a daily Mass/rosary-reciting teenager told me that he was thinking of selling his card collection (his *only* possession) and start sleeping on the floor in her honor. It is not unusual for someone wishing to be a saint (which, of course, John Paul The Great would have wanted), to partake in these types of activities. To suffer is to cleanse. To be clean is to be closer to God. If you can't hear Christ breathing (on the Cross right next to you), you're not suffering enough/close enough to Him, to know Him in all of His glory.

So move along, no big story here!:) God love you John Paul II.
18 posted on 01/26/2010 8:08:41 PM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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To: mlizzy
If you can't hear Christ breathing (on the Cross right next to you), you're not suffering enough/close enough to Him, to know Him in all of His glory.

Perfectly said! Thank you for writing that.

19 posted on 01/26/2010 8:14:43 PM PST by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: choirboy

I was ready to criticize, but...good post.


20 posted on 01/26/2010 8:59:28 PM PST by onedoug
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To: mlizzy
To be clean is to be closer to God. If you can't hear Christ breathing (on the Cross right next to you), you're not suffering enough/close enough to Him, to know Him in all of His glory.

Beautiful comment. Thank you for sharing this awesome truth.

21 posted on 01/27/2010 5:44:51 AM PST by NYer ("Where Peter is, there is the Church." - St. Ambrose of Milan)
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To: stfassisi
Pro-Life March, Washington, D.C., 1-22-10 Perfectly said! Thank you for writing that.

You're welcome. I'm currently working on a book entitled: Cool things to say to sound like a saint, when you're painfully wretched instead. :):)

John Paul The Great, pray for the end of abortion!
22 posted on 01/27/2010 6:10:54 AM PST by mlizzy ("Do not wait for leaders; do it alone, person to person" --Mother Teresa.)
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