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To: GonzoII

Does God know whether or not one’s sould will be saved, when He creates them?


4 posted on 02/09/2010 9:36:43 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different)
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To: stuartcr

Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Sess. 3, Chap. 1, On God the creator of all things:
“EVERYTHING THAT GOD HAS BROUGHT INTO BEING HE PROTECTS
AND GOVERNS BY HIS PROVIDENCE, which reaches from one end of the earth to
the other and orders all things well. All things are open and laid bare before His eyes,
even those which will be brought about by the free activity of creatures.”


“Before all decision to create the world, the infinite knowledge of God presents to Him all the graces, and different series of graces, which He can prepare for each soul, along with the consent or refusal which would follow in each circumstance, and that in millions of possible combinations ... Thus, for each man in particular there are in the thought of God, limitless possible histories, some histories of virtue and salvation, others of crime and damnation; and God will be free in choosing such a world, such a series of graces, and in determining the future history and final destiny of each soul. And this is precisely what He does when among all possible worlds, by an absolutely free act, he decides to realize the actual world with all the circumstances of its historic evolutions, with all the graces which in fact have been and will be distributed until the end of the world, and consequently with all the elect and all the reprobate who God foresaw would be in it if de facto He created it.” [The Catholic Encyclopedia Appleton, 1909, on Augustine, pg 97]


5 posted on 02/09/2010 10:15:11 AM PST by PPlains
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To: stuartcr
Man consists of body and soul. The body is material and perishable; the soul is spiritual and imperishable. But the soul is the real you. It is the soul which knows and loves, is happy or miserable. Now as the soul is immortal, it enters at death into an eternal state, whether it be one of supreme happiness, or of direst misery.

The above statement is exactly the same as Plato's description as found in The Phaedo. It is not a Biblical nor Christian definition of what a man is. Man is a "living being/soul/creature". Genesis 2:7 says that "God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Notice that it does not say that man was given a soul, but that man IS a living "nephesh", i.e., a being/soul/creature/person. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia agrees here! Check it out.

Much more could be said, but the above condenses it very well, and in plain simple words.

6 posted on 02/09/2010 10:29:21 AM PST by Ken4TA (The truth sometimes hurts - but is truth nonetheless!)
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To: stuartcr
Man consists of body and soul. The body is material and perishable; the soul is spiritual and imperishable. But the soul is the real you. It is the soul which knows and loves, is happy or miserable. Now as the soul is immortal, it enters at death into an eternal state, whether it be one of supreme happiness, or of direst misery.

The above statement is exactly the same as Plato's description as found in The Phaedo. It is not a Biblical nor Christian definition of what a man is. Man is a "living being/soul/creature". Genesis 2:7 says that "God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul." Notice that it does not say that man was given a soul, but that man IS a living "nephesh", i.e., a being/soul/creature/person. Even the Catholic Encyclopedia agrees here! Check it out.

Much more could be said, but the above condenses it very well, and in plain simple words.

7 posted on 02/09/2010 10:30:19 AM PST by Ken4TA (The truth sometimes hurts - but is truth nonetheless!)
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