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The Exact Replica of the 3rd Temple is Being Built (YouTube)
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Posted on 02/15/2010 3:13:56 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta

Jews in the town of Mitzpe Yericho are taking practical steps to prepare for the rebuilding of the Temple in Jerusalem, by preparing descendents of Cohanim (priests) and Levites for service. At the Mitzpe Yericho school, Temple priest hopefuls learn exactly how to conduct the daily Temple service and offer the required sacrifices.

"Today is really a historical event for the Jewish people, organizer Levi Chazan said as another part of the school was completed. It is the beginning of the work for the Third Temple.

The school will include an exact replica of the Temple. The latest addition to the replica was the area in which priests offered wine and water libations. The water offering was traditionally given on the Sukkot holiday, which was celebrated last week.

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To: ET(end tyranny)
No blood was shed to forgive those sins, which shows that blood isn’t and wasn’t necessary to forgive sins.

What is necessary to forgive sins?

Those blood sacrifices were a foreshadow of the coming Sacrifice of the Spotless Lamb, JESUS! His spotless Blood washed away our sins.

I don't understand your beliefs. Is it a new religion or something you believe on your own? Christians believe in the risen Christ, their Savior, thus their name. Do you believe we need a Savior?
201 posted on 02/16/2010 1:07:26 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Interesting . . .

Going across the hall to teach shortly . . . funny thread . . . incredible assertions.


202 posted on 02/16/2010 1:12:18 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: presently no screen name
What is necessary to forgive sins?

Repentance with a contrite heart. We are told throughout Ezekiel that G-d will forgive us as often as necessary as long as we ask forgiveness and strive to do better. That's why Jesus went around telling people to REPENT!

203 posted on 02/16/2010 1:12:29 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: presently no screen name
What kind of church do they belong to - what's it called?

I'm not completely sure, but I think most of them belong to some form of "United Reformed" Church. I've found, for the most part, they believe that they have discovered something new and unfathomable about Scripture, and they are the insiders with the new, inside information and everyone else is still stuck with the old, error-filled Bible. They are quite smug and arrogant in their self-imposed deception.

The fact that, in order to make their man-created belief system work, they have to discard Scripture, re-define Scripture, ignore Scripture and deny reality. The fact that they have themselves convinced that they have discovered something new and different which completely contradicts Scripture only reinforces their delusions of superiority over those who are still stuck in the dirt-floor revival tents, believing the Scriptures as they were inspired by God and before they were re-invented by whoever started the "United Reform" Church.

Is this a mock form of the muslim religion? They, too, want Israel off the face of the map and deny their existence.

No, just another way Satan has come up with to get people to doubt God, come up with a Bible they like, and go through life totally deceived.

Nothing like writing one's own destiny by ignoring HIS WORD. I'm beginning to see more how 'I never knew you' which is speaking of those claiming to be Christians and 'narrow is the gate' applies. The wide gate is FILLED with deception.

Exactly. More people choose death than choose life, and hell will be full of people who thought they were wiser than God and lived their lives according to that belief.

Do they believe in miracles?

That I don't know.

204 posted on 02/16/2010 1:25:29 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: ET(end tyranny)
You can believe what you want.

I addressed that in my post. But I shouldn't be surprised, I guess.

It's not the answer you wanted or expected to get.

205 posted on 02/16/2010 1:32:10 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: ET(end tyranny)

The consequences of sin is death. Jesus paid the price (His death for our death) for our sins and in order to obtain salvation we must do our part and RECEIVE it.

As you know, many don’t believe they need a Savior - and God doesn’t force salvation on anyone - ONE MUST believe what Jesus did and RECEIVE what He did and repenting is what we do once we accept Jesus as Savior with a thankful heart.

What Jesus did was supernatural - what makes you think your ‘natural’ repenting can do anything supernatural? What if you forget any of your sins - are your saying you remember ALL your sins from the beginning? What if you sin and come across an unfortunate, untimely accident and you didn’t confess it? YOU have NO Savior - since you don’t believe His Blood washed them away.

We repent BECAUSE of what HE did for us! One can repent all day long but if one doesn’t believe that Jesus washed your sins away - it fruitless. The GREATEST sin is NOT believing that Jesus died for us. How do you repent on that one?


206 posted on 02/16/2010 1:34:49 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

You didn’t address the falsehoods spread by those that left their group. You commented on those that didn’t accept Jesus as G-d. Is that the falsehood that you think constitutes the spirit of antichrist? If so, which former members do you think John is speaking of?


207 posted on 02/16/2010 1:46:12 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: presently no screen name
Some people believe that they needed someone else to die for their sins, because that makes their lives so much easier. Like a welfare system of salvation. Reaping the benefits of someone else.

We are responsible for ourselves and our own actions. Jesus told us to repent and keep G-d's commandments. He told us what to DO.

Matthew 3
2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 3:
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 9:13
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

208 posted on 02/16/2010 1:53:26 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: presently no screen name
YOU have NO Savior - since you don’t believe His Blood washed them away.

God (YHWH) is my Savior, not Jesus. I've already posted about the two differing entities and two differing wills in the Garden of Gethsemane. They are NOT one in the same. That is obvious.

209 posted on 02/16/2010 1:58:11 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I made it clear when I said "Anyone who denies that Jesus is God, denies Scripture, denies what God has told us about himself is an "antichrist". In fact, the "spirit" of "antichrist" is alive and well and thriving and increasing in this world right now." Nobody could misunderstand that unless their agenda requires them to pretend like they do misunderstand it.

Anyway, the "anyone" in the above paragraph includes everyone, past, present, and future.

And, if those who "left the group" were engaging in the behaviors in the above paragraph, then they were "antichrists", or, to make it easier, "against Christ".

210 posted on 02/16/2010 2:00:06 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
And, if those who "left the group" were engaging in the behaviors in the above paragraph, then they were "antichrists", or, to make it easier, "against Christ".

Again. Who do you think John was speaking of that left their group and was spreading falsehoods?

1 John 2
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

211 posted on 02/16/2010 2:02:47 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

WOW! So you don’t believe that Jesus died for your sins. You don’t believe you need a Savior - you can take care of it all on your own. Like you are your own God.

When you repent - can you look at your soul and see if it is cleansed?

How do you know if you didn’t forget one, two or a thousands sins? What if you die unexpectedly - choke on some food, have a heart attack, killed by a car, - and you just finished gossiping about someone - the possibilities are endless - and you didn’t repent - who are you counting on to ‘save you’ - ‘yourself’??

How do you repent from the greatest sin - not believing Jesus died for your sins? Jesus said - believe on Me (the Savior) and the One who sent Me. Why was He sent?

Do you believe in miracles?


212 posted on 02/16/2010 2:05:32 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Just what I said.

People who never knew Christ who left Christianity and engaged in the behaviors spelled out in the previous post.

213 posted on 02/16/2010 2:07:26 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
1 John 4
2   Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3   And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

flesh from the Greek
4561 sarx sarx probably from the base of 4563; flesh (as stripped of the skin), i.e. (strictly) the meat of an animal (as food), or (by extension) the body (as opposed to the soul (or spirit), or as the symbol of what is external, or as the means of kindred), or (by implication) human nature (with its frailties (physically or morally) and passions), or (specially), a human being (as such):--carnal(-ly, + -ly minded), flesh(-ly).
1)
flesh (the soft substance of the living body, which covers the bones and is permeated with blood) of both man and beasts
2) the body

a)
the body of a man
b)
used of natural or physical origin, generation or relationship
1)
born of natural generation
c)
the sensuous nature of man, "the animal nature"
1) without any suggestion of depravity
2)
the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin
3)
the physical nature of man as subject to suffering
3)
a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh) whether man or beast
4) the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God


The word 'flesh' can and is translated elsewhere to indicate the carnal, or carnally minded.


There is nothing to indicate that 'flesh' is anything but, 100 percent flesh and blood, fully human



1 John 4
2   Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (100% fully human, flesh and blood) is of God:
3   And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (100% fully human, flesh and blood) is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


antichrist from the Greek
500
antichristos an-tee'-khris-tos from 473 and 5547; an opponent of the Messiah:--antichrist.
1) the adversary of the Messiah


anti from the Greek
473 anti an-tee' a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to):--for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.
1)
over against, opposite to, before
2)
for, instead of, in place of (something)
a)
instead of
b)
for
c)
for that, because
d)
wherefore, for this cause

The antichrist is an:

  1. adversary of Messiah
  2. usurper of Messiah
  3. instead of Messiah
  4. opposite to Messiah
  5. in place of Messiah

Messiah from the Hebrew
4899 mashiyach maw-shee'-akh from the root of 4886;
anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint);
specifically, the Messiah:--anointed, Messiah.
1) anointed, anointed one
a) of the Messiah, Messianic prince
b) of the king of Israel
c) of the high priest of Israel
d) of Cyrus
e) of the patriarchs as anointed kings

Now Christ from the Greek
5547 Christos khris-tos' from the root 5548;
anointed, i.e. the Messiah, an epithet of Jesus:--Christ.
Christ = "anointed"
1) Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God
2) anointed

Notice what IS MISSING?  In the Greek, there are no other options given.  

1 John 2
18   Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
19   They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

The antichrist and other antichrists were already around when John wrote his epistle.


John makes perfectly clear that MANY antichrists had gone out FROM THEM (early believers) teaching false doctrine regarding Yehoshua.  These "antichrists," or usurpers of the true Messiah, were promoting doctrines that presented a Christ that was in place of or instead of the TRUE Messiah.  They were teaching a "replacement" Messiah.  

John was a Hebrew; therefore, it is probable that the "us" John refers to in 1 John 2:19 is likely His brethren that followed Yehoshua.

1 John 4
6   We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

The "spirit of antichrist" is equated to a "spirit of error".  CLEARLY, antichrist represents an error - false teaching - that was (and IS) being spread.

Antichrist = erroneous doctrine.  Antichrist primarily represents a set of false teachings, not simply some future possible world religious/political figure, or something inserted under the skin.  Those accepting the error promoted by the "spirit of error" or "spirit of antichrist" are unintentional victims of the spirit of antichrist.

So, the "antichrist" was (and is) a doctrine or set of doctrines that oppose the truth concerning The Messiah. This set of doctrines was already being spread in the latter part of the first century as false teachers betrayed the truth and went out promoting teachings that were (and are) in opposition to the TRUE Messiah.

2 John 1
7   For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (100% fully human, flesh and blood). This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

John warns us to beware of those that do not acknowledge that Yehoshua (jesus christ) is 100 percent, human flesh and blood.

214 posted on 02/16/2010 2:11:44 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
I have to hand it to you- that's one of the best re-defining of Scripture attempts I've seen.

It doesn't eliminate the Book of Revelation, though.

You may want to keep practicing.

215 posted on 02/16/2010 2:15:41 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: presently no screen name
How do you know if you didn’t forget one, two or a thousands sins? What if you die unexpectedly - choke on some food, have a heart attack, killed by a car, - and you just finished gossiping about someone - the possibilities are endless - and you didn’t repent - who are you counting on to ‘save you’ - ‘yourself’??

G-d knows .

How do you repent from the greatest sin - not believing Jesus died for your sins? Jesus said - believe on Me (the Savior) and the One who sent Me. Why was He sent?

I don't have to repent of the greatest sin. The greatest sin is going after a god other than YHWH, a god that their father's didn't know. I think that is why they tried so hard to have 'YHWH' removed from the scriptures, while Baal and other false gods remain named.

Do you believe in miracles?

I surely do.

216 posted on 02/16/2010 2:17:34 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I think the real redefining came into play when the church changed God’s seasons, times and feasts. Ah, replacement theology at its finest, and all at the hands of the church! lol


217 posted on 02/16/2010 2:20:00 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

Just WOW!! WHO is Jesus to you? Who sent Him?

Jesus was man while on earth. He gave us His Divinity while here. Just like us - we go thru a trial and ask God to take it from us but say, like Mary, ‘not mine, but Thy will be done’. And we are to be like Him while in this flesh suit - like He was and HE showed us how while He was here.

What about when Jesus said - if you know Me, you know My Father who sent Me? Do you discount the NT? Do you discount faith?

I never heard of your type of beliefs before - that’s the reason for my endless questions.

Are you Jewish? Many of them don’t believe in Jesus and are still waiting for their Messiah but they believe in God.


218 posted on 02/16/2010 2:20:38 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: ET(end tyranny)
The church I am a member of, the Body of Christ, hasn't replaced anything.

Do you mind if I ask you what your faith is?

219 posted on 02/16/2010 2:22:52 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

The faith G-d gave us back in Genesis, oh wait he didn’t give it a name or label did He? hmmm I wonder why. Maybe because He didn’t want to focus on names but on doing His will. He told us what to do.


220 posted on 02/16/2010 2:25:21 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
The church I am a member of, the Body of Christ, hasn't replaced anything.

So you observe the 7th day Sabbath and don't observe Christmas or Easter? Man made feasts, instead of the ones ordained by G-d. Just curious.

221 posted on 02/16/2010 2:27:31 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: presently no screen name
What about when Jesus said - if you know Me, you know My Father who sent Me? Do you discount the NT? Do you discount faith?

How do you explain the two differing entities and wills in Gethsemane?

222 posted on 02/16/2010 2:28:44 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

Are you going to answer my question? Because I don’t think we can continue until you’re honest about where you’re coming from.


223 posted on 02/16/2010 2:32:22 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
I did answer you, you just didn't like my answer.
224 posted on 02/16/2010 2:34:14 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

G-d knows

God knows He sent His Son as our Savior and to believe on Him. And to think YOU can save yourself is truly pride. Satan fell because of pride.

Without FAITH, you are not pleasing to God. Much like the Jews that were rescued from Egypt. They lacked faith and were swallowed up in the earth - NEVER to enter the promise land. Equate that with ‘entering heaven’. Were they able to escape Egypt by themselves just because they repented and cried out - NO!! God used Moses. God always uses ‘man’ to do His Will on this earth because HE gave us/man dominion on this earth from the beginning. And God never changes. His Word is pure.

That’s why He sent Jesus as our Savior as a ‘man’.


225 posted on 02/16/2010 2:35:12 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: GiovannaNicoletta
Just as their is a mark of the beast their is a mark of G-d.

Exodus 13 (KJV)
9   And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD's law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

Exodus 13
16   And it shall be for a token upon thine hand, and for frontlets between thine eyes: for by strength of hand the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 6
8   And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Deuteronomy 11
18   Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

from the Hebrew
226
'owth oth probably from 225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.:--mark, miracle, (en-)sign, token.
1)
sign, signal
a) a distinguishing mark

b) banner
c)
remembrance
d)
miraculous sign
e)
omen
f)
warning
2)
token, ensign, standard, miracle, proof

from the Hebrew
2903
towphaphah to-faw-faw' from an unused root meaning to go around or bind; a fillet for the forehead:--frontlet.
1) bands, phylacteries, frontlets, marks

Deuteronomy 11
18   Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
19   And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
22   For if ye shall diligently keep all these commandments which I command you, to do them, to love the LORD your God, to walk in all his ways, and to cleave unto him;

(Obedience is the test of true love for G-d.  Adam and Eve disobeyed, and were kicked out of the Garden.  Abraham obeyed and it was counted unto him as righteousness)
26   Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
(G-d gives you us a choice)
27   A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:
28   And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.

The sign of G-d is His Torah, which in Hebrew means instructions and teachings.  Those that accept the Torah are marked as those that are true children of G-d.

Deuteronomy 6
4   Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Mark 12
28   And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29   And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30   And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

Matthew 22
36   Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37   Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38   This is the first and great commandment.
39   And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40   On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Yehoshua didn't say anything new.  Yehoshua quoted from the Torah.

Deuteronomy 6
4   Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5   And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Leviticus 19
18   Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

If you love your neighbor, you won't steal from them, if you love your neighbor you won't murder them, if you love your neighbor you won't covet your neighbors wife or commit adultery with your neighbor.

Yehoshua, chose to accept the mark of G-d by devoted obedience to Torah.

The mark of the beast:

Revelation 13:16 (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Revelation 14:9-11 (KJV)
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 16:2 (KJV)
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Revelation 19:20 (KJV)
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

from the Greek
5480
charagma khar'-ag-mah from the same as 5482; a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or scupltured figure (statue):--graven, mark.
1) a stamp, an imprinted mark
a) of the mark stamped on the forehead or the right hand as the badge of the followers of the Antichrist
b) the mark branded upon horses
2) thing carved, sculpture, graven work
a)
of idolatrous images

The New Strong's Dictionary of Hebrew and Greek Words defines charagma as:

charagma, a scratch or etching, i.e. stamp (as a badge of servitude), or sculptured figure (statue):- graven, mark.

The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament states the following with regard to this Greek word:
charagma [mark, stamp]
Marking is common in antiquity (cf. slaves, and the branding of devotees with the marks of deities).

The Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament Based on Semantic Domains gives insight into the meaning of charagma when it states:
A strictly literal translation of ‘the mark of the beast’ might imply ‘a picture of the beast’ or ‘a mark made by the beast.’ A more satisfactory indication of the relationship between ‘mark’ and ‘beast’ would be ‘a mark showing one’s relationship to the beast’ or ‘a mark of loyalty to the beast’ or ‘a mark of the party of the beast.’ The mark is almost certainly a symbolic stamp or sign and is not to be taken literally as many blindly claim.  This mark will be SYMBOLICALLY placed on - OR INSIDE - the forehead and/or right hand.  The mark historically symbolizes servitude or allegiance to the one from whom the mark is received.  The mark symbolizes the relationship existing between those that decide to receive it and the Beast (or his agents) from whom it is received.  It shows the recipients of the mark to be loyal to the Beast and among his willful followers.  The harlot of Revelation 17:5, historically and almost universally accepted as representing Rome and the evil Babylonian mystery religion that has continuously opposed the true faith, "bears on her forehead the mark of her true nature in a mysterious allusion to Babylon."   One cannot "receive" something unless they "accept" it, which implies willingness.  Thus, the mark is not forced, though there may be various levels of persuasion used.  Ultimately, those that receive the mark do so of their own free will.  In short, it is a spiritual mark, which exposes the hearts and minds of those receiving it.  It shows to whom they willingly give their allegiance.

226 posted on 02/16/2010 2:35:31 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

Thanks. I have my answer.


227 posted on 02/16/2010 2:36:56 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: ET(end tyranny)

I did in my previous post.


228 posted on 02/16/2010 2:37:47 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
Jesus was probably a prophet sent by G-d to preach repentance, which he did.

My faith is in G-d/YHWH, just as He wished. I would agree that Jesus was a man.

229 posted on 02/16/2010 2:39:00 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: presently no screen name

Which post was that, I must have missed it. Checking back through the posts.


230 posted on 02/16/2010 2:40:00 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I’ll take your non answer to 221 to mean that you are part of the church that did in fact change G-d’s times, feasts and seasons. ;)


231 posted on 02/16/2010 2:41:32 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)

So you live ‘under the law’ - is that correct?


232 posted on 02/16/2010 2:44:06 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
Just like us - we go thru a trial and ask God to take it from us but say, like Mary, ‘not mine, but Thy will be done’.

Was Mary G-d, too then?

233 posted on 02/16/2010 2:44:08 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Take it however you want to.

Everybody knows where I'm coming from. I'm not interested in conversing with someone who wears a mask.

234 posted on 02/16/2010 2:46:03 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: presently no screen name
So you live ‘under the law’ - is that correct?

I keep the commandments that G-d gave to gentiles. I don't steal, I don't murder or commit adultery, I don't go after false gods, I don't covet my neighbors goods etc... it really isn't that hard.

235 posted on 02/16/2010 2:47:52 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I’m not the one hiding behind someone else using welfare salvation.


236 posted on 02/16/2010 2:49:29 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
And you still won't be honest about what you believe.

My goodness, what on earth are you hiding?

237 posted on 02/16/2010 2:50:26 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

I’ve told you. I’ve posted it. It can’t be more plain.


238 posted on 02/16/2010 2:53:17 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
You've told me nothing.

I'm not a game-player, and I'm not going to play this one.

Toodles.

239 posted on 02/16/2010 2:55:34 PM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: presently no screen name

Nice chatting with you. Have a good night.


240 posted on 02/16/2010 2:56:26 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Toodles


241 posted on 02/16/2010 2:57:56 PM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Jesus was probably a prophet sent by G-d to preach repentance, which he did.

If ALL is needed is repentance for sins, why didn't God tell Adam/Eve when they sinned - REPENT, that is all that is needed and all is forgiven?
242 posted on 02/16/2010 3:06:28 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: ET(end tyranny)

WHEN did God give the commandments to the gentiles?

Why do you only grab ‘repentance’ from the NT and discount the rest?

If Jesus was ONLY a man - why do you believe Him when He says ‘repent’ and NOT when Jesus says

‘Believe on Me’ and ‘If you know Me, you know My Father the One who sent Me’.

‘By My Stripes you are healed’.

“Ask My Father anything in My Name and He will give it to you”. etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.

Jesus says....

John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

John 10:15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

John 15:10 “If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

Philippians 2:8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.

Hebrews 5:8 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.

Matthew 26:53 “Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

“He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness.” (John 12:44-46)

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

NO ONE can go to Our FATHER God but through Jesus. Because of our sin - we were separate from God and ONLY Jesus can unite us w/The Father. So you can repent all you want - but you are speaking in the wind!

Remember, sin is having a strange god. Without Jesus as Savior, you cannot serve/obey The God of the Bible.


243 posted on 02/16/2010 3:44:59 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Quix
Of course it does . . . IN GOD’S WAYS IN GODS’ TIME vis a vis the children of Jacob. So does HE THAT [EARNESTLY WHOLEHEARTEDLY] SEEKS ME SHALL FIND ME. What are the parameters on that, oh wise one?

Is there a particular reason why you must be so surly?

244 posted on 02/16/2010 3:56:34 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Quix
Then there’s the whole issue of the 144,000 with 12,000 from every tribe sold out to their Messiah and doing great exploits for Him in the END TIMES.

Actually there is nothing mentioned about 'selling out', regarding the 144,000. Revelation 7:3 Saying, "hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have *sealed* the servants of our God in their foreheads". (4) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Notice now that verb used 'were', and John wrote this when? Paul refers this to predestination before the 'foundation' of this age. Ephesians 1:4.

And notice that there are two tribes by name not named, Dan and Ephraim, but nothing mentioned about every tribe sold out to their Messiah.

There are 7 seals listed, along with 7 trumps, and 7 vials.... check out the sixth one of each and you will have that '666' that is either 'sealed' in the mind or hidden from the majority.

245 posted on 02/16/2010 4:06:30 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts

So John 3:16 does not apply to everyone?

1. IF I was going to think in surly terms, that would be plenty surly.

2. You sounded as though you thought that was quite a wise, erudite, logical, lofty question.

Fine with me.

From that lofty perspective, how about another comment . . . What are the parameters of HE THAT SEEKS ME SHALL FIND ME???


246 posted on 02/16/2010 5:05:37 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Just mythoughts

Ahhhhhhhhhhh . . .

so . . .

it is your considered opinion from your exhaustive and most intimate familiarity with Almighty God

. . .

that . . .

Almighty God will seal folks UNTO HIM AND THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS

WHO ARE

NOT

SOLD OUT TO GOD AND THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS???

That’s hilarious.

Horrifically sad to stretch to imagine such a thing . . . then . . . absolutely hilarious that anyone could imagine such a thing.

Might I suggest a great book that could adjust such a perspective enormously. It’s called THE BIBLE.


247 posted on 02/16/2010 5:08:30 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

Ignoring and dancing around that issue is its own answer.


248 posted on 02/16/2010 5:11:52 PM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
Why such drama queen acts?

I have been exhaustively hunting some claim about anyone noted as ‘sold’ out to the Heavenly Father... in the Bible... must be some ‘new’ added to the Written WORD translation of busy fingers.

249 posted on 02/16/2010 5:44:49 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Quix
So John 3:16 does not apply to everyone?

1. IF I was going to think in surly terms, that would be plenty surly. 2. You sounded as though you thought that was quite a wise, erudite, logical, lofty question. Fine with me. From that lofty perspective, how about another comment . . . What are the parameters of HE THAT SEEKS ME SHALL FIND ME???

I guess I don't have that 'code', just the plain and simple 'King James' that the translators forgot to add that it is about timing and different paths for different peoples. My King James says the Heavenly Father is not a respecter of persons....

250 posted on 02/16/2010 5:48:07 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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