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To: RnMomof7

You wrote:

“The original church did not have a pope,”

Matthes 16.

” or priests or a mass”

Last Supper. 1 Cor. 10-11.

“or prayer to saints”

The saints were just being made by God so no one should expect that yet.

“or “veneration” of Mary,”

Again, Mary was still alive for years yet.

“it did not have a confessional”

It had confession. John 20:19-23. 2 Cor. 2:10.

“or sacraments”

Actually there are numerous verses for these.

“(other than the lords supper and baptism, it did not have candles”

Actually tallow candles date back to the first century A.D. if I am not mistaken.

“or statues”

I think Christians had neither the time nor money to make much detailed art in the first century. We know they made paintings in the third century, however. Statues - which take much more skill and a certain level of professionalism to accomplish - followed in the fourth of fifth century at least.

“or indulgences exist in the new church”

11th century. Then again not a single Protestant walked the earth intil more than 400 years later - and they weren’t orthodox.

“...until the 300’s or we can say the rule of Constantine”

You’re wrong on much of what you’ve said. It’s never stopped you before of course.


46 posted on 03/13/2010 4:53:22 PM PST by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998
Then again not a single Protestant walked the earth intil more than 400 years later - and they weren’t orthodox.

Not arguing that protestants are orthodox, because they weren't, but over the years through bits and pieces, it seems that the protestant movement started in about the 13th century. The "reformers" (or revolters) just put a face on it. Otherwise, Luther and Calvin would have been footnotes in history because people truly rooted in faith aren't that easily persuaded. And the reality was that the movement was popular in what we would call the upper/upper middle class who had a high opinion of their own intelligence and understanding of everything under the sun, not unlike today's "liberals."

51 posted on 03/13/2010 5:23:11 PM PST by Desdemona
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