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NEW YORK TIMES TARGETS THE POPE AGAIN
Catholic League ^ | March 16, 2010 | William Donohue

Posted on 03/16/2010 7:25:56 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII

Catholic League president Bill Donohue comments on the latest attack on the pope by the New York Times:

Once upon a time there was a homosexual priest who was accused of molesting boys in Germany. That was 30 years ago. At the approval of Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger (now the pope), he was sent away for therapy and was later reinstated; years later, under a new archbishop, there was another incident and more therapy.

We know this because the New York Times (which does not like to report on molesting rabbis in 2010), told us about this on Saturday in a front-page article. Today, it ran a front-page article on the same story. Was there any difference? Yes. On Saturday, the Times was only able to identify the priest as bearing the initial "H." Today, it has real news: his name is Hullermann. And now "H" has been suspended.

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I have to agree with this assessment. The Times hates the Pope is because we don't approve of homosexual unions and of killing unborn children.
1 posted on 03/16/2010 7:25:56 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII
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To: Pope Pius XII

THe Slimes has reached a new low. They defend an avowed pedophile (Belzer) but condemn the whole Church for the vile crimes of a few maniacs.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_n46_v9/ai_14723385/


2 posted on 03/16/2010 7:33:32 AM PDT by eleni121 (For Jesus did not give us a timid spirit , but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline)
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To: Pope Pius XII
Once upon a time there was a homosexual priest who was accused of molesting boys in Germany. That was 30 years ago. At the approval of Archbishop Joseph Ratzinger (now the pope), he was sent away for therapy and was later reinstated; years later, under a new archbishop, there was another incident and more therapy.

No, it's because the pope sent a child molester away for therapy instead of removing him from service and when he returned to service he abused yet another child.

But don't let me confuse you with the facts.
3 posted on 03/16/2010 7:33:43 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: eleni121
a few maniacs.

Few = 3

4392+ is more than a few...
4 posted on 03/16/2010 7:35:50 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

What’s so bad about sending a priest to therapy?


5 posted on 03/16/2010 7:44:46 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Speaks volumes that this wouldn’t permanently disqualify a person from ministry. Looks like the pope has some experience in dealing with this. I wonder if he learned anything, or if this is still being dealt with quietly, with therapy. This is a crime, and apparently it is kept quiet.

How is it that even the secular world knows that these people can’t be reformed.


6 posted on 03/16/2010 7:46:45 AM PDT by Phillipian
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To: Pope Pius XII
What’s so bad about sending a priest to therapy?

Besides the fact that it doesn't help child molesters?

7 posted on 03/16/2010 7:47:46 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("We are as numerous as the stars in the heavens, and we are all gun-men.")
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To: CholeraJoe

My point is that it’s possible for them to be cured.


9 posted on 03/16/2010 7:55:57 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Ever try percentage numbers? You should look into it.


10 posted on 03/16/2010 7:59:26 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII; Phillipian
Shut up you old anti-catholic bigot.

Such a kind response from someone so religious as yourself...
11 posted on 03/16/2010 8:05:37 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: Pope Pius XII

Am I the ONLY one who read a report in my local paper years ago that the psychiatrists told the Catholic church that pedophiles could be treated and cured, and the Church believed the psychiatrists and sent their wayward priests to get treatment? Obviously, the psychiatrists years later reversed their findings and the Church took the blame.


12 posted on 03/16/2010 8:11:39 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: Pope Pius XII
"Shut up you old anti-catholic bigot."

Matthew 7:16 makes some statements unnecessary. Those with neither an understanding of Catholic Dogma or the pshcyology of sexual predators appoint themselves judge, jury and executioner of anything involving the Catholic Church. In doing so they harm themselves and the truth more than they harm you, me or the Church.

13 posted on 03/16/2010 8:12:52 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: kitkat
"Am I the ONLY one who read a report in my local paper years ago that the psychiatrists told the Catholic church that pedophiles could be treated and cured,"

The founding principle of the Catholic Church is the redemptive powers of Christ. Through faith in Christ no sin is unforgivable and no sinner is beyond salvation. Those who claim to be Christian yet condemn the Church for practicing this faith are hypocrites.

14 posted on 03/16/2010 8:16:08 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: Pope Pius XII

Is this the same NYTs that equates obama to Christ and the healthcare vote to the Last Supper? Shoosh, those secularists really love bathing in redemptive waters. Who knew?


15 posted on 03/16/2010 8:16:50 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: MikeWUSAF

***But don’t let me confuse you with the facts***

The facts are that the psychiatrists are to blame. They claimed that a pedophile could be cured. They were wrong! It’s time that the association of psychiatrists admitted their mistake instead of hiding behind their misdiagnosis.


16 posted on 03/16/2010 8:16:50 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: Pope Pius XII
Ever try percentage numbers? You should look into it.

Sure, let's play down the offense by stating that only 5% of the Catholic clergy have been involved in sexual abuse cases (Per the Pope in September of 2009).

The problem with that tactic is that Christianity is the largest religion in the world followed by Islam. The earth currently has about 7 billion people and 2.2 billion call themselves Christian. The Catholic church makes up over half of those Christians or 1.1 billion people. So that small 5% of clergy who serve those 1.2 billion followers is a rather large number.

4392 priests and deacons in just the U.S. had substantiated claims by their diocese.

By my moral standards, 1 offense is 1 too many.
17 posted on 03/16/2010 8:16:57 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: kitkat
The facts are that the psychiatrists are to blame.

Wow, I always thought the Pope and Cardinals ran the Catholic church. I never knew there was a secret order of psychiatrists behind the scenes making all the decisions for the past 50 years...
18 posted on 03/16/2010 8:21:12 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: kitkat
Am I the ONLY one who read a report in my local paper years ago that the psychiatrists told the Catholic church that pedophiles could be treated and cured, and the Church believed the psychiatrists and sent their wayward priests to get treatment? Obviously, the psychiatrists years later reversed their findings and the Church took the blame.

No, I have read this before too, and repeatedly recounted it to those who wish to villify those in Church leadership for their original strategy of " treatment, retreat and reassignment".

It doesn't seem to do any good; I suspect because those who wish to denegrate the Church have, by definition, no desire to give the Church the benefit of the doubt.

19 posted on 03/16/2010 8:23:20 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: MikeWUSAF

“Once upon a time there was a homosexual priest who was accused of molesting boys in Germany. That was 30 years ago, in 1980. “

Once upon a time?

Once upon a time?!?

Was the homosexual priest who was accused of molesting boys the only such case in Germany in in 1980? Any homosexual priests accused of molesting boys in Germany twenty-nine years ago, in 1981? or in 82? Or yesterday? Or today?


20 posted on 03/16/2010 8:23:25 AM PDT by flowerplough ( Pennsylvania today - New New Jersey meets North West Virginia.)
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To: Natural Law; kitkat
Those who claim to be Christian yet condemn the Church for practicing this faith are hypocrites.

I'm a Christian and I believe in salvation and forgiveness of any sin. That said, I also believe sin should be punished and not covered up. By your logic, I can shoot the current sitting Pope yet the Catholic church would be okay with me becoming the Pope once I completed my rehabilitation.

If I shot the Pope today, would you mind me becoming your Pope tomorrow?
21 posted on 03/16/2010 8:26:05 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: Natural Law

***The founding principle of the Catholic Church is the redemptive powers of Christ. Through faith in Christ no sin is unforgivable and no sinner is beyond salvation. Those who claim to be Christian yet condemn the Church for practicing this faith are hypocrites. ***

You are correct about the redemptive powers of Christ. But, psychiatric treatment is not the same as Confession. It’s time that the psychiatrists admit their fault in telling the Church that THEY could cure a pedophile, especially since they later said a pedophile could NOT be cured and blamed the Church for not dismissing such priests.


22 posted on 03/16/2010 8:27:34 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: flowerplough
Any homosexual priests accused of molesting boys in Germany twenty-nine years ago, in 1981? or in 82? Or yesterday? Or today?

I'm sure there are a plethora of them however the focus of this story is the current Pope's involvement.
23 posted on 03/16/2010 8:28:39 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

***Wow, I always thought the Pope and Cardinals ran the Catholic church. I never knew there was a secret order of psychiatrists behind the scenes making all the decisions for the past 50 years... ***

Now, that’s just plain silly. And you know it is. You’d be the first to blame the Church if it forbid sending a sick person to a doctor.


24 posted on 03/16/2010 8:29:49 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

And yet you’re using it to discredit the Catholic faith.


25 posted on 03/16/2010 8:30:58 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: kitkat
It’s time that the psychiatrists admit their fault in telling the Church that THEY could cure a pedophile, especially since they later said a pedophile could NOT be cured and blamed the Church for not dismissing such priests.

Or perhaps the church could start consulting the Bible and God on these matters rather than psychiatry?
26 posted on 03/16/2010 8:31:50 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

And perhaps you should stop trying to tell the Church how to do her job?


27 posted on 03/16/2010 8:33:10 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII
And yet you’re using it to discredit the Catholic faith.

No, the Catholic faith has discredited itself.
28 posted on 03/16/2010 8:34:45 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

“Or perhaps the church could start consulting the Bible and God on these matters rather than psychiatry?”

Speaks volumes if you ask me. I rest my case.


29 posted on 03/16/2010 8:37:04 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII
And perhaps you should stop trying to tell the Church how to do her job?

I will do whatever necessary to protect children, because this church isn't. I have personal experience with this, your argument is with the wrong person.
30 posted on 03/16/2010 8:37:29 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: MikeWUSAF
"If I shot the Pope today, would you mind me becoming your Pope tomorrow?"

If your repentance and contrition were genuine and you were elected through the Tradition of Apostolic Succession by the Holy Spirit via the College of Cardinals, yes. The Catechism teaches:

1700 - The dignity of the human person is rooted in his creation in the image and likeness of God; it is fulfilled in his vocation to divine beatitude. It is essential to a human being freely to direct himself to this fulfillment. By his deliberate actions the human person does, or does not, conform to the good promised by God and attested by moral conscience. Human beings make their own contribution to their interior growth; they make their whole sentient and spiritual lives into means of this growth. With the help of grace they grow in virtue, avoid sin, and if they sin they entrust themselves as did the prodigal son to the mercy of our Father in heaven. In this way they attain to the perfection of charity.

31 posted on 03/16/2010 8:38:14 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: MikeWUSAF

I’m sorry you experienced it. But you don’t around saying controversial statements like that.


32 posted on 03/16/2010 8:39:31 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII
Speaks volumes if you ask me. I rest my case.

You've made no case and presented no facts. If anything, you have presented yourself as someone who wishes to protect those that protect pedophiles. It would have been better for you not to even have posted this thread.
33 posted on 03/16/2010 8:39:50 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

***Or perhaps the church could start consulting the Bible and God on these matters rather than psychiatry?***

Are you saying that the Church should forbid their people from ever going to a psychiatrist? Or an alcoholic should NEVER join AA?


34 posted on 03/16/2010 8:39:55 AM PDT by kitkat (Obama hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: Natural Law

Natural Law, canon law actually says that a man who has murdered someone cannot be a priest, let alone the Pope.

I heard this on EWTN just the other day I believe. I could be mistaken.


35 posted on 03/16/2010 8:41:59 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: Pope Pius XII
I’m sorry you experienced it. But you don’t around saying controversial statements like that.

Forgive me father, it was my family member's fault for being molested and abused. I will not mention it again for fear of saying something controversial.

You, Pope Pius XII, can go straight to hell with the rest of the pedophiles!
36 posted on 03/16/2010 8:42:09 AM PDT by TSgt (RE-ELECT NOBODY - VOTE THEM ALL OUT!)
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To: MikeWUSAF

My point is is that you’re acting as if psychiatry and the Bible are opposed to each other.


37 posted on 03/16/2010 8:43:36 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Well, now, look who’s being the fool now. Judging someone’s soult to hell. How Christian of you.

Did you never read what Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, that you may not be judged”.


38 posted on 03/16/2010 8:45:33 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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Ever try percentage numbers?

What percentage of children being abused is an acceptable number for you, PP?

39 posted on 03/16/2010 8:47:23 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: MikeWUSAF; Pope Pius XII
I’m sorry you experienced it. But you don’t around saying controversial statements like that.

Hey PP, why are you so protective of molesters? Got anything to hide?

40 posted on 03/16/2010 8:50:31 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: T Minus Four

The point is, is that percentage number of priests who actually commited sexual abuse is pitfully small when compared with the public schools and I day say it’s worse in other Christian denominations.


41 posted on 03/16/2010 8:51:46 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: FourtySeven; Pope Pius XII
those who wish to denegrate the Church have, by definition, no desire to give the Church the benefit of the doubt.

Benefit of the doubt? OK, YOU hire a pedophile who's been through pschotherapy to babysit your little boys. Judge not, ya know.!

42 posted on 03/16/2010 8:52:17 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: T Minus Four

I’m not sure what your point is here.


43 posted on 03/16/2010 8:52:59 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: MikeWUSAF
Do you know how many teachers and Protestant minisiters molest? Fathers too?

The most probable pedophiles in order are:

Fathers
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers

Priests are way down on the list.

So if a Father is a teacher of mid-high history, coaches the girl’s basketball team and is a youth minister at his church on weekends/Sundays — watch out! He would be much more prone to pedophilia that any priest.

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church


44 posted on 03/16/2010 8:53:12 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: T Minus Four

The reason for the sex abuse scandal is Catholic Unorthodoxy.


45 posted on 03/16/2010 8:53:55 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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To: MikeWUSAF

How about one offense with teachers?

Does that make ALL the teachers offenders?


46 posted on 03/16/2010 8:54:16 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Thank you salvation!


47 posted on 03/16/2010 8:54:24 AM PDT by Pope Pius XII (There's no such thing as divorce)
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The point is, is that percentage number of priests who actually commited sexual abuse is pitfully small when compared with the public schools and I day say it’s worse in other Christian denominations.

The point is, one child is too many.

The point is, the Catholic Church as an organization has protected and allowed this.

The point is not that Rabbis and Baptists have molested. The point is the protection afforded molesters by the RC Church.

Did I mention that one child is too many?

48 posted on 03/16/2010 8:54:34 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Are you a Catholic?


49 posted on 03/16/2010 8:55:11 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Pope Pius XII
How about one offense with teachers? Does that make ALL the teachers offenders?

If there was a world-wide central authority that protected the teacher, kept the incident a secret and then reassigned the teacher to another school in another town, then you could compare.

50 posted on 03/16/2010 8:56:01 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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