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Major scandals in Catholic Church
Montreal Gazette ^ | March 22, 2010

Posted on 03/22/2010 6:21:30 AM PDT by Gamecock

Pope Benedict's weekend apology to Ireland went further than any other papal statement on child-sex abuse by priests, but still fell too short for many victims of the scandals shaking the Catholic Church across Europe.

Following are details of some of the major abuse scandals in various countries:

SWITZERLAND: The Swiss Catholic Church is investigating allegations of abuse by clergy. The Diocese of Chur, in eastern Switzerland, said Saturday it was investigating about 10 complaints. The abbot of a monastery in the diocese said at least three of the 77 monks at Einsiedeln had committed acts of abuse since he took up office in December 2001, but no legal action had been taken.

NETHERLANDS: More than 200 Catholics have reported abuse after Radio Netherlands Worldwide and newspaper NRC Handelsblad revealed that three priests from the Salesian order abused pupils decades ago at a boarding school. The church there has set up an independent inquiry headed by a Protestant politician.

GERMANY: A Jesuit high school in Berlin reported cases of sexual abuse there in January, starting a series of revelations at other Catholic boarding schools and non-religious schools.

- The Regensburg diocese admitted physical and sexual abuse cases at a boarding school for its famous Domspatzen (cathedral sparrows) boys choir. Its director, Pope Benedict's brother, Rev. Georg Ratzinger, admitted to slapping boys to discipline them but denied knowledge of sexual abuse. The ensuing wave of abuse charges from previously silent victims has since reached about 250.

IRELAND: In April 2002, Bishop Brendan Comiskey of Ferns resigned over his handling of charges against a priest who committed suicide in 1999 while facing 66 charges of abuse.

- May 2009 - The Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse issued a five-volume report that took nine years to compile. It said priests beat and raped children during decades of abuse in Catholic-run institutions.

- Nov. 2009 - The Murphy report, a government-commissioned inquiry into abuse in Dublin from 1975 to 2004 said church authorities covered up widespread cases of child sexual abuse until the mid-1990s.

- Dec. 2009 - After meeting two Irish church leaders, Pope Benedict said he shared the "outrage, betrayal and shame" over the scandal in Ireland.

- Feb. 2010 - Benedict held crisis talks with 24 Irish bishops at the Vatican. The bishops promised him they were committed to cooperating with authorities. Four bishops have offered their resignations and the pope has so far accepted one.

UNITED STATES: June 2002 - The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops agreed on a new policy that would forbid pedophile priests from ever again acting as clerics - but not necessarily expel them from the priesthood.

BRITAIN: July 2000 - London Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor acknowledged making a mistake in a previous post in the 1980s by allowing a pedophile priest to continue working. The priest was jailed in 1997 for abusing nine boys over a 20-year period.

AUSTRIA: July 2004 - Austrian News magazine Profil ran pictures of priests kissing and groping seminarians at a Catholic seminary in the St. Poelten diocese.

AUSTRALIA: July 2008 - On a visit to Australia, Pope Benedict apologized for sexual abuse by clergy. At that time there had been 107 convictions for sexual abuse in the church there.

MEXICO: March 2009 - Pope Benedict ordered an inquiry into the Legionaries of Christ priestly order whose founder was discovered to be a sexual molester. In 2006, the pope told the founder, Father Marcial Maciel, to retire to a life of "prayer and penitence". Maciel died in 2008. His order acknowledged in 2009 that he had fathered at least one child with a mistress.

CANADA: Oct. 2009 - Bishop Raymond Lahey of Antigonish, N.S., was charged with possession and importation of child pornography. Earlier that year, he had overseen a $13-million settlement with clerical abuse victims in the Antigonish diocese in a case dating back to 1950.


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To: Lorica

BTW, what quix has said about Rome is mild considering the attacks I have been subjected to on this thread.

Not whining, just point something out.


102 posted on 03/22/2010 9:57:10 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Gamecock; Quix
The following groups signed a letter and endorsed the Senate Health Care bill, which federally funds abortion:
Marlene Weisenbeck, FSPA
LCWR President
Leadership Conference of Women Religious

Joan Chittister, OSB
Co-Chair Global Peace Initiative of Women
Erie, PA 

Leadership Team
Sisters of Mercy of the Americas

Leadership Team
Sisters of Charity of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Sr. Mary Persico, IHM
President
Congregation of the Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
Scranton, PA 

Sr. Susan Hadzima, IHM
Councilor for Missioning and Community Life
Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
Scranton, PA  

Mary Pelligrino, Marguerite Coyne, Rosanne Oberleitner, Carolyn Bodenshatz
Leadership team 
Sisters of St. Joseph
Baden, PA  

Sr. Helen McDonald, SHCJ
Province Leader
Society of the Holy Child Jesus
Philadelphia, PA 

Vivien Linkhauer, SC 
Sisters of Charity of Seton Hill, United States Province
Greensburg, PA 

Leadership Team 
Sisters of St. Francis of Philadelphia

Sister Barbara Hagedorn, SC 
Sisters of Charity of Cincinnati 
Mt. St. Joseph, Ohio

Marilyn Kerber, SNDdeN
Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur
Canonical Representative, Ohio Province

Sisters of St. Francis
Tiffin, Ohio 

Leadership Team
Sisters of the Precious Blood
Dayton, OH 

Nancy Conway CSJ
Congregation Leadership Team
The Congregation of St. Joseph

Joan Saalfeld, SNJM, Provincial
Sisters of the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary
U.S.-Ontario Province 

Jo'Ann De Quattro, SNJM
Sisters of the Holy Names
U.S.-Ontario Province Leadership Team

Josephine Gaugier,  OP
Adrian Dominican Sisters
Holy Rosary Mission Chapter Prioress
Adrian, MI 

Kathleen Nolan, OP
Adrian Dominican Sisters
Office of the General Council

Joan Mumaw, IHM – Vice President
On behalf of the Leadership Council
Sisters, Servants of the Immaculate Heart of Mary
Monroe, MI 

Corinne Weiss,
Servants of Jesus Leadership Team
Saginaw   MI 

Beatrice Haines, OLVM
President, Our Lady of Victory Missionary Sisters
Huntington, IN 

Eileen C. Reid, RJM
Provincial Superior
Religious of Jesus and Mary 
Washington DC 

Sister Cecilia Dwyer, O.S.B.
Prioress
Benedictine Sisters of Virginia

Sr. Dorothy Maxwell, Councilor
Sisters of St. Dominic
Blauvelt, New York 

Adrian Dover OP
Prioress
Dominican Sisters of Houston, Texas

Francine Schwarzenberger OP
Dominican Sisters of Peace
Denver, Colorado  

Rose Mary Dowling, FSM
President
Franciscan Sisters of Mary

Margaret Byrne CSJP - Congregation Leader
Teresa Donohue CSJP - Assistant Congregation Leader
Sisters of St. Joseph of Peace

Sr. Carmelita Latiolais, S.E.C. 
Sisters of the Eucharistic Covenant 

Sheral Marshall, OSF
Provincial Councilor
Sisters of St Francis   

The Congregation of Sisters of St. Agnes
Sister Joann Sambs, CSA
General Superior

The Leadership Team of the Sisters of St. Joseph of the Third Order of St. Francis 
Sister Jane Blabolil, SSJ-TOSF
Sister Michelle Wronkowski, SSJ-TOSF
Sister Dorothy Pagosa, SSJ-TOSF
Sister Linda Szocik, SSJ-TOSF

Sr. Mary Genino (RSHM), Provincial
Religious of the Sacred Heart of Mary
Western American Province.

Debra M. Sciano, SSND
Provincial Leader
Milwaukee Province, School Sisters of Notre Dame

Sister Liz Heese
School Sisters of St. Francis
US Province, Milwaukee, WI

Marlene Weisenbeck, FSPA, President
Franciscan Sisters of Perpetual Adoration
La Crosse, WI  

Sharon Simon, OP
President
Racine Dominicans

Maryann A. McMahon, O.P.
Vice President
Dominican Sisters of Racine, WI

Agnes Johnson, OP 
Vice President 
Racine Dominicans 

Pat Mulcahey, OP
Prioress of Sinsinawa Dominicans 

Theresa Sandok, OSM
Servants of Mary (Servite Sisters)
Ladysmith, Wisconsin 

Sister Maureen McCarthy
School Sisters of St. Francis
U.S. Provincial Team
Milwaukee, WI 

Dolores Maguire
Sisters of the Holy Faith
Northern California LCWR Region XIV

Patricia Anne Cloherty, PBVM 
Leadership Team, Sisters of the Presentation, San Francisco

Pam Chiesa, PBVM
President
Sisters of the Presentation, San Francisco

Gloria Inés Loya
Leadership Team
Sisters of the Presentation, San Francisco

Gloria Marie Jones, OP
Dominican Sisters of Mission San Jose
Congregational Prioress and Council

Mary Litell
Provincial Councilor
Sisters of St. Francis of Penance and Christian Charity St. Francis Province

Sr Claire Graham SSS
General Director
Sisters of Social Service
Encino CA 

Sr. Gladys Guenther SHF 
Sisters of the Holy Family
Congregational President 
Fremont, CA 

Sister Patricia Rayburn, OSF, 
Provincial Minister, Sisters of St. Francis, 
Redwood City, CA 

Sisters of St. Louis, California Region

Marianites of Holy Cross     
Sr. Suellen Tennyson, MSC
Congregational Leader
New Orleans, LA 

Sister Clare of Assisi Pierre, SSF
Sisters of the Holy Family
New Orleans, LA 

Congregation of Our Lady of Mount Carmel
Sister Elizabeth Fitzpatrick, O.Carm.
Sister Andree Bindewald, O.Carm.
Lacombe, Louisiana 

Sr. Mary Elizabeth Schweiger, OSB
Subprioress
Mount St. Scholastica
Atchison, KS 

Janice Cebula, OSF
President
Sisters of St. Francis, Clinton, Iowa

Mary Rehmann, CHM
President
Congregation of the Humility of Mary
Davenport, IA  

Sr. Joanne Buckman, OSU
Usruline Sisters of Cleveland

Jean Masterson, CSJ
Congregation of St. Joseph
Cincinnati, OH 


103 posted on 03/22/2010 9:57:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Gamecock

THANKS.

INDEED.

WITH MUCH affection for my Calvinist Brothers and Sisters.


104 posted on 03/22/2010 9:57:52 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Gamecock; Quix
The Catholics have become Communist.

Like the Orthodox in Russia.

105 posted on 03/22/2010 9:58:40 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Gamecock
It seems to me if you spent your time demanding this problem be fixed, once and for all

It seems that the way to do that would be to keep all sinners out of the clergy. I'm all in favor of a sinless clergy, aren't you?

The theory is great, it's the implementation that's tricky.

106 posted on 03/22/2010 9:58:42 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Lazamataz

So it seems.

Very sadly so.

Thankfully, not all.


107 posted on 03/22/2010 9:59:09 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lazamataz

HORRIFIC.

Thankfully most of those organizations don’t tarnish The Lord Jesus’ Name because they are busy glorifying mortals.


108 posted on 03/22/2010 10:00:47 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Gamecock

I spend 0% of my time wondering who your brothers are.

I spend <1% of my time noticing who you ping, and this thread happens to fall in that category. I presume you’re happy with the results thus far.


109 posted on 03/22/2010 10:01:03 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Campion

***It seems that the way to do that would be to keep all sinners out of the clergy. I’m all in favor of a sinless clergy, aren’t you?***

I would settle for an organization that would just take a stand against child predators.


110 posted on 03/22/2010 10:03:12 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Lorica

However you seem to have a fascination on who I ping and why?


111 posted on 03/22/2010 10:04:13 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Quix
Kindly Try and clean your own house up first before such cheeky exhortations about my responsibilities.

Deflections aren't useful here. Using outdated pejoratives serves no good purpose, except to inflame. If that's your goal, it deserves comment.

112 posted on 03/22/2010 10:04:24 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lazamataz
The following groups signed a letter and endorsed the Senate Health Care bill

Wow, you can kind of line that list up with "women's religious communities that the Vatican should shut down or otherwise severely discipline" and they match exactly.

Sister Joan Chittister has already been disciplined for being pro-homosexual.

The Sinsinawa Dominicans are the community that had the "sister" working as a deathscort at an abortuary. They disciplined her after it became a public issue. ("Oops, got caught")

The "Leadership Conference of Women Religious" is mothership command central for feminist leftwing nuns.

(et cetera ad nauseam)

113 posted on 03/22/2010 10:05:04 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Gamecock
Not whining, just point something out.

Oh, it's whining, all right.

114 posted on 03/22/2010 10:05:17 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Gamecock
I would settle for an organization that would just take a stand against child predators.

Really?

I've been told over and over again by Protestants that "all sins are equal in God's eyes".

Were they wrong?

115 posted on 03/22/2010 10:07:14 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed imposter")
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To: Gamecock

<1% is “fascination”? lol.

I’m just observant.


116 posted on 03/22/2010 10:08:12 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lorica

Nope. It’s not.

You want whining look at the Roman Catholic posters on this thread. As usual there is some world class whining going on, sprinkled with a generous amount of ad homs and strawmen.


117 posted on 03/22/2010 10:08:46 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Campion
If the Vatican does not smack these groups down, and excommunicate the offenders, then they endorse the actions.

The Vatican is just as much to blame, therefore.

118 posted on 03/22/2010 10:10:35 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: sabe@q.com

No, I got tired of the lies.


119 posted on 03/22/2010 10:10:54 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Gamecock
Nope. It’s not.

That won't change my opinion, sorry.

sprinkled with a generous amount of ad homs and strawmen.

Hmm...is that like the false dilemma you offered me early on in the thread?

120 posted on 03/22/2010 10:11:18 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Running On Empty
Some on this Forum have even posted that if a man wants to become a celibate priest, it “says something about him.”

That’s a hi-tech form of scapegoating an entire group of dedicated men because of the evil deeds of a small percentage of their number. It’s like branding the parents of a large family as “bad parents” if one of their children were to go wrong, even though the rest of the children did not.

Clearly, that does seem like an agenda.

Could be an agenda...But the agenda is not ours, it appears to be yours...

There's very strong evidence that the 'parents', as you call them are the ones with the agenda...

The 'parents' (popes, cardinals, bishops, priests) didn't get unlucky and have a handful of perverts join your religion as young men...

Most homosexual men are recruited as young boys and young teenagers...

The question is, how many of your priests, bishops, cardinals and popes are and have been the teachers; parents??? And what about their teachers, and their teachers???

And we are the ones with the agenda??? By exposing this sick perversion???

Can any of you be certain your kids have never been molested by a priest??? Would the kids tell you if they had been???

121 posted on 03/22/2010 10:20:20 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: kidd

what was the name of the organization?


122 posted on 03/22/2010 11:35:22 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Running On Empty

I fully agree with you. The vast majority of those that choose a celibate life as priests do so for the glory of God. Please do not take my comments earlier to indicate otherwise.

There are many freaks who use the RCC to hide in; however, the vast majority of priests are wonderful people who would never do harm to a child in any fashion.


123 posted on 03/22/2010 12:19:46 PM PDT by JosephW (Mohammad Lied, People die!)
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To: tiki; Running On Empty; livius; kidd
I actually think some people just post anti-Catholic stuff because they crave attention for themselves and to get people to talk to them any way they can...but that is just my opinion.

There is a lot of wisdom and truth of what you wrote there,dear friend.

Anti Catholicism is an addiction and a "golden calf" in the lives of a group of FR posters around here in the same fashion as all other evil addictions that people get snared into by the devil

124 posted on 03/22/2010 1:41:16 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: JosephW

I understood what you posted and I didn’t take anything the wrong way. I thank you for your post.

My references were to what other posters have written-—which have been smearing all priests, writ large.

I agree with you that the “vast majority of priests are wonderful people who would never do harm to a child in any fashion”.

This is much more in the service of truth than are the posts that, by inference, put tags on the sleeves of all priests.


125 posted on 03/22/2010 2:06:24 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Gamecock

96% are not child abusers. Only 4%! May God have mercy on your souls with making it look more. While the Devil looks for the ruination of souls.


126 posted on 03/22/2010 2:47:57 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: GCC Catholic; Gamecock; Quix
The seminaries screen as well as is humanly possible

lolol. Apparently they're "screening" for exactly what they get.

Given that that document that you linked to is in English, and not in Latin, I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a fabrication.

Your suspicion may be sneaking, but it's also incorrect.

Even if it were not a fabrication, are you certain that it is still in force under the 1983 Code of Canon Law?

Ratzginer's letter in 2001 which was sent to every bishop in the world reminded the clergy that Crimen Sollicitationis was still in effect. Do some homework. This has all been posted for months, if not years, on Free Republic.

POPE OBSTRUCTED SEX ABUSE INQUIRY

Pope Benedict XVI faced claims last night he had 'obstructed justice' after it emerged he issued an order ensuring the church's investigations into child sex abuse claims be carried out in secret. The order was made in a confidential letter, obtained by The Observer, which was sent to every Catholic bishop in May 2001.

It asserted the church's right to hold its inquiries behind closed doors and keep the evidence confidential for up to 10 years after the victims reached adulthood. The letter was signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who was elected as John Paul II's successor last week...


128 posted on 03/22/2010 9:27:04 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Now now . . .

surely you don’t think that

the . . . other side . . .

has added

ruber encyclicals

to their

—rubber Bibles,
—rubber dictionaries,
—rubber histories,
—rubber logic texts . . .

do you?


129 posted on 03/22/2010 9:30:10 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; GCC Catholic
Once again, I find it necessary to clarify. I love the Guardian title: "POPE OBSTRUCTED SEX ABUSE INQUIRY." No bias there, right?

Any good journalist can see that the title you've typed here is misleading, since you've neglected to include the quotes from the original article which show that that the word 'obstructed' is an allegation by lawyers, thus the quoted word in the title; which, while a rather biased presentation in the Guardian, is still better than what you did here.

Let's clarify the Church document, since some people have such a hard time seeing through their bias-tinted spectacles:

ROME, JULY 21, 2007 (Zenit) - Here is the text of a pamphlet on "Pedophilia and the Priesthood" written by Monsignor Raffaello Martinelli, an official of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and member of the editorial commission of the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

The Holy See has put out two documents that deal with the crimes of pedophilia:

1. The instruction of March 16, 1962, "Crimen Sollicitationis," approved by Blessed Pope John XXIII and published by the Holy Office which later became the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. It was an important document to "instruct" canonical cases and laicize the presbyters involved in the vileness of pedophilia. In particular, it dealt with violations of the sacrament of confession.

2. The "Epistula de Delictis Gravioribus" (on most grave crimes), signed May 18, 2001, by then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as prefect of the congregation. That letter's objective is to give practical execution of the norms ("Normae de Gravioribus Delictis") promulgated with the apostolic letter "Sacramentorum Sanctitatis Tutela," published on April 30, 2001, and signed by Pope John Paul II.

These documents deal with the Church's internal judicial acts, at the canonical level. Therefore they do not deal with the accusations and the provisions of the civil courts of states, which must be carried out according to their own laws. Whoever has addressed or addresses the ecclesiastical court can also address the civil court, to denounce similar crimes. Therefore the action of the Church is not aimed at retracting these crimes from the jurisdiction of the state and keeping them hidden.

There exist two paths to ascertain and condemn priests responsible for acts of pedophilia: that of the Church, with canon law, and that of the state with penal law. Each of these two paths is autonomous and independent of the other: the civil forum and the canonical forum must not be confused. This means that, whether or not a civil trial has taken place, the Church must necessarily carry out the canonical process. At the moment of the application of canonical punishment, if it is deemed that the guilty priest has been sufficiently punished in the civil forum, in that case the canonical punishment can be withheld.

In Italian law, a private citizen (this includes the bishop and anyone invested with ecclesial authority) is required to accuse [before the state] only crimes for which the penalty is life in prison. Yet, in Church law established in 1962, it was obligatory, under penalty of excommunication, to accuse [before the state] crimes of pedophilia if they happened in conjunction with the sacrament of confession. Therefore, from this point of view, the Church's legislation was more severe than that of the Italian state in punishing the crimes of pedophilia. Q: What is the procedure followed by the Church to prosecute crimes of pedophilia committed by priests?

This is the prescribed procedure: Faced with the accusation of an act of pedophilia by a priest, the bishop (or ordinary) must first of all carry out an investigation to ascertain the certainty of the accusation. Having obtained proof, the bishop (or ordinary) must give the documentation of the case to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith to follow the procedural path already contained in the Code of Canon Law. In the meantime, in some cases, the canonical judicial procedure to apply punishment can be followed -- as, for example, demission from the clerical state -- or, in other cases where, for example, the evidence is very clear, the administrative procedure can be carried out.

The seriousness with which the Church evaluates and judges acts of pedophilia is shown by the fact that with a new law passed in 2001, the Holy See (and not the local bishops) decided to reserve the right to judge those crimes. The new law says that judgments concerning "the crime against the sixth commandment committed by a cleric against a minor, under the age of 18, art. 4, are reserved to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which acts in these cases as the 'apostolic tribunal' -- as is prescribed in 'Sacramentorum Sanctitatis Tutela.'" Q: Why does the Church reserve judgment to the Holy See? The fact that the Pope wanted to reserve to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith -- a dicastery of the Holy See -- with the apostolic letter "Sacramentorum Sanctitatis Tutela" judgment of the acts of pedophilia committed by priests, shows that the Church considers those acts to be very serious, serious crimes on the same level of the other two serious crimes -- reserved to the Holy See -- that can be committed against two sacraments: the Eucharist and the holiness of confession. Therefore the Holy See's decision has nothing to do with wanting to hide potential scandals or to diminish the seriousness of these wicked deeds, but serves to help us understand that they are very serious crimes, to which they give the maximum attention, and for this reason they reserve judgment to one of the most important offices of the Holy See, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the faith and not "local" entities which could possibly be influenced.

Q: Why secrecy under penalty of excommunication?

In the first place, the two documents cited by the Holy See were not secret, given the fact that they were sent to all bishops -- some 5,000 -- to indicate what to do in cases of pedophilia.

The 1962 instruction calls for the excommunication of whoever reveals details about the canonical penal procedure. For this reason the Instruction dealt with the way in which to proceed in cases. Therefore we speak of the need for secrecy about the legal proceedings, equal to that called for, in civil proceedings, by the judge while an investigation is in progress. Nothing more, nothing less. As is the case with every legal procedure, even the canonical ones have steps that must be secret to allow the ascertainment of the truth and to protect the innocent.

The main reason why the instruction calls for secrecy in canonical procedures was to permit any future witnesses to come forth freely, with the guarantee that their statements would be confidential and not exposed to publicity. And as a consequence, the name of the accused was kept hidden before a sentence was given in the case.

Another reason the Holy See did not want to cover up these crimes is described in a paragraph of the 1962 document, that obligated anyone, victim or witness, that was aware of any sexual abuses occurring in the confessional to come forth with that information; if not, they would incur the penalty of excommunication.

In the new legislation of 2001, the secrecy of the legal proceedings was not only applicable to cases of sexual abuse, but also for crimes against the Eucharist and those against the sacrament of of penance. The letter establishes the pontifical secrecy without establishing any punishment for the violation of that secrecy, even though it is a secret that binds the conscience in a stronger way than that of a normal secret. In this case, the reason for the secret is to protect and safeguard:

-- the good name of the accused, who is considered innocent until proven otherwise

-- the right to privacy of the victims and witnesses

-- the freedom of the superior who must freely made judgments, without being under pressure

Despite "the right to the freedom of information, it must not allow moral evil to become an occasion for sensationalism" (John Paul II, Discourse to American Bishops).

We must not forget that secrecy is needed to safeguard the dignity of the people involved: Many times those who are accused are shown to be innocent in the preliminary investigation.


130 posted on 03/23/2010 6:01:42 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Quix
—rubber Bibles,
—rubber dictionaries,
—rubber histories,
—rubber logic texts . .

Our country is going to hell in a handbasket, turning a harder left than I ever thought I'd see in my lifetime; humanistic atheist paganism is metastasizing in exponential leaps, and you're still bouncing rubber balls. Some day I hope you'll see this tactic as a lot of wasted energy, wasted time that you and I cannot have back. I am so moving on from the rubber room. Please have the last word.

131 posted on 03/23/2010 6:47:34 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lorica

Thanks, Lorica

Pax Christi

ROE


132 posted on 03/23/2010 7:10:49 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Lorica

Thanks, Lorica

I’m indebted to you for this.

Pax Christi

ROE


133 posted on 03/23/2010 7:12:34 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Lorica
lolol. Apparently they're "screening" for exactly what they get.

Look... I'm a seminarian. This is my world. You can laugh all you want, but I know that you don't know what you're talking about - because you never went through the screenings and you don't see what goes on in the day to day in the seminary. Perhaps if you did, you would believe it when I say that the screenings have been taking place, and the seminaries (at least the ones for the US) that haven't been reformed are in the process of being reformed.

Your suspicion may be sneaking, but it's also incorrect.

The authoritative text for a Church document, especially one in Canon Law from 1962, is nearly always Latin. Full Stop. That was the main reason for my suspicion. I still have my doubts that this is the authoritative text (even if it is a translation of the real text).

Ratzginer's letter in 2001 which was sent to every bishop in the world reminded the clergy that Crimen Sollicitationis was still in effect. Do some homework. This has all been posted for months, if not years, on Free Republic.

I don't have time to search all over the internet for something. If you want to show me something, link it.

As for the contents... I think Lorica covered it just fine.

134 posted on 03/23/2010 7:56:37 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: GCC Catholic
Look... I'm a seminarian. This is my world.

I didn't know that. Thanks be to God! May He bless you abundantly and fill you with His Spirit!

You can laugh all you want, but I know that you don't know what you're talking about - because you never went through the screenings and you don't see what goes on in the day to day in the seminary. Perhaps if you did, you would believe it when I say that the screenings have been taking place, and the seminaries (at least the ones for the US) that haven't been reformed are in the process of being reformed.

Amen.

135 posted on 03/23/2010 8:18:13 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Running On Empty

The peace of Christ be with you also.


136 posted on 03/23/2010 8:21:13 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lorica; GCC Catholic
"We must not forget that secrecy is needed to safeguard the dignity of the people involved"

Like I said.

Crimen Sollicitations was never abrogated. Ratzinger's letter was to alert all bishops that it was still operative and that victims who took their complaints to anyone but a priest would be excommunicated.

You can toss out all the verbage you want. Just like with Ratzinger's "global authority" encyclical which is filled with platitudes and pleasantries. But at the heart of it is socialism and tyranny. No surprise.

137 posted on 03/23/2010 8:56:41 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

NOW NOW . . .

Don’t ya know . . .

blasphemy, idolatry et al

are not a waste of time

but the truth is. /sar


138 posted on 03/23/2010 8:58:11 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: GCC Catholic
I'm a seminarian. This is my world. You can laugh all you want, but I know that you don't know what you're talking about - because you never went through the screenings

I've never been a postman, either, but I know when my mail is delivered on time

The "screenings" obviously aren't very rigorous or there wouldn't be this world-wide, decades-old (centuries) pedophilia scandal within the Roman Catholic church.

If you're a seminarian, then "good luck." You'll need it.

139 posted on 03/23/2010 9:07:42 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Quix
Yep. There's a pattern here. Deny the written word, ignore the clear intent and distract into platitudes.

And nothing changes. The same superstition and tyranny that resulted in the Reformation exist today.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter." -- Isaiah 5:20

140 posted on 03/23/2010 9:13:49 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

TOOOOO TRUE.

TOOOOO SADLY TRUE.

I wonder . . . what causes so many to —sort of— jump fence and become liberal idiots . . .


141 posted on 03/23/2010 9:21:00 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I've never been a postman, either, but I know when my mail is delivered on time

You're looking at the end result - the mail gets delivered. If something were to change internally, and the mail would get delivered faster, you wouldn't know why because you're not on the inside - you don't see any of the internal workings. For the seminary, this is the process of the screening, acceptance, and formation of Seminarians; you won't see that from the outside. If you are interested in reading about the formation of Catholic Seminarians, I would recommend reading the document Pastores Dabo Vobis or the USCCB's Program for Priestly Formation.

The "screenings" obviously aren't very rigorous or there wouldn't be this world-wide, decades-old (centuries) pedophilia scandal within the Roman Catholic church.

Some of the screenings that were done before were lacking - some combination of being not strong enough, not enforced well enough (for example, homosexuals have consistently been banned from seminaries - yet most of the abusers are homosexual - thus they were admitted when they should not have been).

The Screenings have only recently become as rigorous as they are. Our understanding of the problem has changed too - we know that it's not only a spiritual problem but also a psychological one - and it's only been more recently still that we know that many of the perpetrators won't be cured - even thirty years ago, we were still listening to the psychologists who were claiming that pedophila/ephebophila can be cured, and at the time that was the prevailing opinion within the medical community.

We won't see the fruits of the most recent strengthening of the screenings and seminary formation for some time - the seminarians who were first accepted under the new rules are only now being ordained. To judge the new screening and formation processes by the current scandals (the fruits of the old system) is to compare apples and oranges.

If you're a seminarian, then "good luck." You'll need it.

Thank you... it's been a fulfilling but also challenging journey thus far. Things like this make it no easier. God Bless you and yours.

142 posted on 03/23/2010 10:29:04 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: GCC Catholic

A nice, gentlemanly reply. It speaks well for you.

:-)

May God bless you in your seminary years and lead you on to ordination. You are in my prayers.

Pax Christi

ROE


143 posted on 03/23/2010 10:46:51 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

As usual, there is no acknowledgment of error in your post. You left off some essential quotations marks and it appears to me to be intentional, so as to make it look more authoratative than what it was - a quote from a lawyer.

I’ll toss out corrections whenever I find the time, and I usually have corrections for your posts, because they so often lack essential information or contain misinterpretations or outright lies about Catholics, about priests, about the pope, and about doctrine. They’re nothing if not consistent. They also repeat over and over the same thing, as if no corrections or clarifications had ever been given. An endless carnival wheel, with garish colors. I never did like clowns anyway.


144 posted on 03/23/2010 4:21:19 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lorica
Addition and correction - meant to preview and posted instead.

authoritative

In addition to the headline, you consistently seem to miss that there is no bar to parallel civil action in these cases. The secrecy has been explained multiple times as being concerned with confidentiality, not unlike grand jury proceedings, I would imagine.

Again:

These documents deal with the Church's internal judicial acts, at the canonical level. Therefore they do not deal with the accusations and the provisions of the civil courts of states, which must be carried out according to their own laws. Whoever has addressed or addresses the ecclesiastical court can also address the civil court, to denounce similar crimes. Therefore the action of the Church is not aimed at retracting these crimes from the jurisdiction of the state and keeping them hidden.

145 posted on 03/23/2010 4:58:57 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lorica

Your post is gibberish.


146 posted on 03/23/2010 10:26:42 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: GCC Catholic

You seem like a pleasant person and I’ve enjoyed talking with you. But to aspire to be “another Christ,” no matter how the words are danced around, does not seem to be a worthwhile goal for any young man.


147 posted on 03/23/2010 10:36:56 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Your post is gibberish.

Since I was describing your posts, I find that rather hilarious.

148 posted on 03/24/2010 5:42:56 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lorica

Yes, your description of my posts is pretty funny; downright loony.


149 posted on 03/24/2010 9:17:22 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Lorica; GCC Catholic; Running On Empty
Your posting of some PR "pamphlet" does nothing to nullify Crimen Sollicitationis, particularly paragraphs 11, 13 and 42a.

Here's the real question being side-stepped by RC apologists...

Is CRIMEN SOLLICITATIONIS still in effect?

150 posted on 03/24/2010 9:44:43 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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