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Major scandals in Catholic Church
Montreal Gazette ^ | March 22, 2010

Posted on 03/22/2010 6:21:30 AM PDT by Gamecock

Pope Benedict's weekend apology to Ireland went further than any other papal statement on child-sex abuse by priests, but still fell too short for many victims of the scandals shaking the Catholic Church across Europe.

Following are details of some of the major abuse scandals in various countries:

SWITZERLAND: The Swiss Catholic Church is investigating allegations of abuse by clergy. The Diocese of Chur, in eastern Switzerland, said Saturday it was investigating about 10 complaints. The abbot of a monastery in the diocese said at least three of the 77 monks at Einsiedeln had committed acts of abuse since he took up office in December 2001, but no legal action had been taken.

NETHERLANDS: More than 200 Catholics have reported abuse after Radio Netherlands Worldwide and newspaper NRC Handelsblad revealed that three priests from the Salesian order abused pupils decades ago at a boarding school. The church there has set up an independent inquiry headed by a Protestant politician.

GERMANY: A Jesuit high school in Berlin reported cases of sexual abuse there in January, starting a series of revelations at other Catholic boarding schools and non-religious schools.

- The Regensburg diocese admitted physical and sexual abuse cases at a boarding school for its famous Domspatzen (cathedral sparrows) boys choir. Its director, Pope Benedict's brother, Rev. Georg Ratzinger, admitted to slapping boys to discipline them but denied knowledge of sexual abuse. The ensuing wave of abuse charges from previously silent victims has since reached about 250.

IRELAND: In April 2002, Bishop Brendan Comiskey of Ferns resigned over his handling of charges against a priest who committed suicide in 1999 while facing 66 charges of abuse.

- May 2009 - The Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse issued a five-volume report that took nine years to compile. It said priests beat and raped children during decades of abuse in Catholic-run institutions.

- Nov. 2009 - The Murphy report, a government-commissioned inquiry into abuse in Dublin from 1975 to 2004 said church authorities covered up widespread cases of child sexual abuse until the mid-1990s.

- Dec. 2009 - After meeting two Irish church leaders, Pope Benedict said he shared the "outrage, betrayal and shame" over the scandal in Ireland.

- Feb. 2010 - Benedict held crisis talks with 24 Irish bishops at the Vatican. The bishops promised him they were committed to cooperating with authorities. Four bishops have offered their resignations and the pope has so far accepted one.

UNITED STATES: June 2002 - The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops agreed on a new policy that would forbid pedophile priests from ever again acting as clerics - but not necessarily expel them from the priesthood.

BRITAIN: July 2000 - London Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor acknowledged making a mistake in a previous post in the 1980s by allowing a pedophile priest to continue working. The priest was jailed in 1997 for abusing nine boys over a 20-year period.

AUSTRIA: July 2004 - Austrian News magazine Profil ran pictures of priests kissing and groping seminarians at a Catholic seminary in the St. Poelten diocese.

AUSTRALIA: July 2008 - On a visit to Australia, Pope Benedict apologized for sexual abuse by clergy. At that time there had been 107 convictions for sexual abuse in the church there.

MEXICO: March 2009 - Pope Benedict ordered an inquiry into the Legionaries of Christ priestly order whose founder was discovered to be a sexual molester. In 2006, the pope told the founder, Father Marcial Maciel, to retire to a life of "prayer and penitence". Maciel died in 2008. His order acknowledged in 2009 that he had fathered at least one child with a mistress.

CANADA: Oct. 2009 - Bishop Raymond Lahey of Antigonish, N.S., was charged with possession and importation of child pornography. Earlier that year, he had overseen a $13-million settlement with clerical abuse victims in the Antigonish diocese in a case dating back to 1950.


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To: cantabile
I have no problem with Catholics who want to join me in upholding the Enlightenment principles of our Founding Fathers. I do have a problem with the SMALL MINORITY of Catholics who want to push their Church's ideology, which is in conflict with the Classically Liberal principles of the Founding Fathers (many of whom were suspicious of the RC of the time).

In other words, the Lord Actons are my friends, the Antonio Salazars are not.

51 posted on 03/22/2010 7:46:15 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: kidd
When some liberal tries to force secularism on my children then I have issues.

As a secular humanist myself, I am in 100% agreement with this statement. There is no reason ANYONE should require your children to submit to a creed of any kind. Which is also why you should keep your children as far away of the public schools as possible.

The fact remains that, which the Church now tolerates Republicanism, its philosophy/world view is in conflict with the Classical Liberalism of the founding fathers, and the ideology of the RC should never be pushed as a GOVERNING IDEOLOGY of the nation as a whole. I hope that I have clarified my position for the RCers.

52 posted on 03/22/2010 7:49:02 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: kidd; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD

I would suggest your methodology is flawed.

I have been a member for well over ten years and have started over 1,000 threads. I would think I have more than “676 posts.”

So I did my own search on Google and here are the first 50 hits that came up:

-9 that had something to do with Rome.
-1 on PETA
-5 from my ongoing series titled Theological FAQs.
-19 dealing with various issues in the Protestant church. Many of which I would think Roman Catholics would have had fun chiming in on.
-The remainder were comments on other issues/topics elsewhere on FR, outside of the church to include air travel, space exploration and college football.

Hardly the picture you are painting.


53 posted on 03/22/2010 7:53:36 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Gamecock

There can be no denial that there have been priests who are guilty of doing evil. There can be, in all justice, a genuine concern about how the situation was handled by individual bishops.

There should also be recognition that the Catholic Church is actively seeking to acknowledge, address, and make the strictest possible efforts to prevent any further occurrences.

That should also be acknowledged.

Instead, what a small per cent of faux priests have done is being laid as a heavy cross on the shoulders of the overwhelming number of good and faithful priests. It’s tantamount to putting yellow armbands on every priest—”see, there goes a priest; he’s a pedophile.”

Some on this Forum have even posted that if a man wants to become a celibate priest, it “says something about him.”
That’s a hi-tech form of scapegoating an entire group of dedicated men because of the evil deeds of a small percentage of their number. It’s like branding the parents of a large family as “bad parents” if one of their children were to go wrong, even though the rest of the children did not.

Clearly, that does seem like an agenda.


54 posted on 03/22/2010 7:53:38 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: JosephW

The seminaries are already being cleaned out. I don’t have numbers in front of me, but the statistics show the majority of abuse cases to be prior to the last decade (or two?) Although even one case is too many, there are far fewer new cases reported. And I don’t think you’ll find a single freeper who doesn’t think all culpable priests and/or bishops should have their feet held to the legal and ecclesiastical fire.

And while we are seeing some really orthodox new priests, there is much work to do in the Church, because it is infiltrated with liberal theologians and laymen left over from the 50’s, 60s and 70’s.


55 posted on 03/22/2010 7:56:55 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: livius

More and more, I wish FR had a “place this user on your ignore list” filter.


56 posted on 03/22/2010 8:02:35 AM PDT by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)
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To: Gamecock

LInks?


57 posted on 03/22/2010 8:05:48 AM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Gamecock

The most probable pedophiles in order are:

Fathers
Teachers
Coaches
Protestant ministers

Priests are way down on the list.

So if a Father is a teacher of mid-high history, coaches the girl’s basketball team and is a youth minister at his church on weekends/Sundays — watch out! He would be much more prone to pedophilia that any priest.

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Sex Abuse by Teachers Said Worse Than Catholic Church


58 posted on 03/22/2010 8:07:29 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock
"9 that had something to do with Rome"

What a hoot. Here ya go sport:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=%22by+Gamecock%22&as_epq=Catholic&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=freerepublic.com&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images

The list of articles you've posted include beauties like:
- Why Catholic churches are like shabby department stores
- Pope's brother says slapped pupils at choir school
- You Need A Holy Ghost Enema

59 posted on 03/22/2010 8:07:35 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Gamecock

THX.


60 posted on 03/22/2010 8:16:00 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: livius

WRONG.

Some of us hate blasphemy, idolatry and outrageous heresies


61 posted on 03/22/2010 8:17:20 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
!

62 posted on 03/22/2010 8:18:26 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: kidd

“I have discovered that, unofficially, that about a fourth of Protestants are Protestants specifically for their hatred of Catholics. Love of Jesus comes a distant second to these types.”

Must have lots of power being able to discern a person’s heart.


63 posted on 03/22/2010 8:21:09 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: cantabile

Welcome to FR.

And thank you for yur thoughtful post.


64 posted on 03/22/2010 8:24:51 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Running On Empty

yur=your


65 posted on 03/22/2010 8:26:43 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: Gamecock
When I post a thread I don’t go digging into archives. It is on the front page. Hence this thread.

LOL...........times must indeed be changing!

Kudos.

One of the more memorable posts from you (and there have been plenty) was a thread about the use of castrati in Vatican choirs in times gone by. I bet you found that on the front page, too.

Keep 'em coming, anyway. It would be a dull place if we didn't have to rebut the "Roman harlot" apologetic.

66 posted on 03/22/2010 8:37:09 AM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: sabe@q.com
Must have lots of power being able to discern a person’s heart.

Putting aside your sarcasm, I'll comment that my observation was based on my experience. In college, I began to wonder if I was simply born into the right religion or not. A girl I was dating got me interested in born-again Christianity. I found that there was a lot of biblcal knowledge and some people were genuinely saved from a life of drugs, alcohol and promiscuity. It was beautiful. However, there was a large fraction of people who could do nothing but speak their hate for the Catholic church. And they would refuse to hear about the numerous similarities between their beliefs and the beliefs of Catholics. "Jesus healed the sick" was met with "Well that doesn't mean that good works will get you to heaven", etc.

67 posted on 03/22/2010 8:37:09 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: Gamecock
No, but you endorse painting every Catholic and Priest with the same broad brush. Every denomination has it's perverts even Protestants. We are all “evil”. It takes every fiber of our being to be good. We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God. That's why he sent his only begotten son to die for us. To redeem us. If we got to heaven, it's only through Christ's redemption of us, not because we “deserve” it. It's called forgiveness of sin.

I have experienced the hatred of some Protestants for Catholics. It's just as wrong as hatred of Protestants by Catholics. Why do some people continue to keep the divisions of the Reformation alive. Divide and conquer is the Devil's plan, and he's succeeding.

The Church is made up of men. Men are imperfect. Each man pays for his own sins no matter if clergy or not. No denomination is first in line to go to heaven.

It's up to the Church to police itself, and what was done in the past was wrong. We can only hope that the men today are rectifying the wrongs of the past. No human being is perfect, the only perfect human being that walked the face of this earth we crucified.

It is my opinion that there are people out there who would like to see the Catholic Church destroyed. For what reason? Only they can tell you that. No one is “killing the messenger” , but some people seem to be consumed with the telling of the message.

68 posted on 03/22/2010 8:49:07 AM PDT by Yankereb
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To: Gamecock

Yeah . . .

You’re a lightweight at bothering the Papists.

LOL.


69 posted on 03/22/2010 8:49:22 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kidd

Did she dump you because you refused to join her church?


70 posted on 03/22/2010 8:50:51 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Yankereb; Quix; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD

***No denomination is first in line to go to heaven.***

< eyesrolling>
Gee, there are tons of Roman Catholics on FR who say Proddies are heretics and not going to heaven.


71 posted on 03/22/2010 8:54:27 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: BiggieLittle; Gamecock; Quix; HarleyD; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; the_conscience; Dutchboy88; ..
Imagine you were a member of the Mafia and you were found to have raped a child. You wouldn’t have the life expectancy of a house fly.

No kidding. and yet here's how the U.S. bishops respond to pederasty...

"June 2002 - The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops agreed on a new policy that would forbid pedophile priests from ever again acting as clerics - but not necessarily expel them from the priesthood.

This endless scandal is a direct result of the foul theology which teaches that Roman Catholic priests are an "alter Christus" -- "another Christ." Priests therefore believe that lie and feel "entitled" to whatever gratification they desire. And since a "celibate" priesthood attracts men who don't mind forsaking a real family life with a wife and children, the situation is ripe for sin and tragedy.

Over three billion dollars have been paid out by the RCC in the United States in the past 50 years. And nothing changes.

CRIMEN SOLLICITATIONIS is still in effect, still threatening the victim with excommunication if he tells anyone except a priest about the sexual molestation he's suffered. No police. No parents. No teachers. Just another priest who is forbidden by church law from making the accusation public.

Sadly, even this scandal in Germany which directly involves Ratzginer's brother will probably never reach critical mass. There are too many complicit fellow travelers, some right here in River City.

72 posted on 03/22/2010 8:59:20 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Gamecock

Hmmmmm


73 posted on 03/22/2010 8:59:33 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Gamecock

Seems to be a trend with you Gamecock to start threads to have Holy Wars.

I am suprized anyone even reacts to your threads anymore.

Arent you the same guy the is anti Mormon too or pro...

What ever I just reconize your screen name as dissent amongst Christians.

tsk tsk


74 posted on 03/22/2010 9:00:38 AM PDT by Global2010 (We have De Humanized our Society because we have De Christianize our society. Fr.Corapi)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

Thanks for the ping.


75 posted on 03/22/2010 9:00:43 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kidd; Gamecock
Hey, "sport." If you want to claim "You Need A Holy Ghost Enema" is about Roman Catholicism, then have at it. But you clearly haven't read the thread.

As for the number of RC threads Gamecock has posted, God willing, he'll post a thousand more. Any light shed on Rome's arrogant abrogation of power is good light.

76 posted on 03/22/2010 9:11:24 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Lorica

That is truly good news about the seminaries. I had a friend go through about a decade ago and he was telling me out the open homosexual atmosphere.

I wish my Catholic brethren better than that. Again I say good if it has gotten better.


77 posted on 03/22/2010 9:13:10 AM PDT by JosephW (Mohammad Lied, People die!)
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To: Salvation

I was driving radio on and heard a coach (dont know if it was Oregon and never heard follow up on news at home since we are EWTN only right now)

Anyways a swim coach was arrested for many many sexual liasons with the 14/15yrs old females that he coached and it is supposed to bust some kind of swim coach sex ring right open because of this guy getting found out.

Did you hear this on local news?

Any hoo seems the attacks against the Church revolve around the Holy Seasons.

At least it is not on every Holy Day.


78 posted on 03/22/2010 9:14:54 AM PDT by Global2010 (We have De Humanized our Society because we have De Christianize our society. Fr.Corapi)
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To: Quix

But the lil aliens are cool eh Quix.

Please.


79 posted on 03/22/2010 9:16:49 AM PDT by Global2010 (We have De Humanized our Society because we have De Christianize our society. Fr.Corapi)
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To: Global2010; Salvation

at least le arrested the swim coach


80 posted on 03/22/2010 9:20:01 AM PDT by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Gamecock

There is a hell.

Believe it or not.


81 posted on 03/22/2010 9:20:55 AM PDT by Global2010 (We have De Humanized our Society because we have De Christianize our society. Fr.Corapi)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
This endless scandal is a direct result of the foul theology which teaches that Roman Catholic priests are an "alter Christus" -- "another Christ." Priests therefore believe that lie and feel "entitled" to whatever gratification they desire. And since a "celibate" priesthood attracts men who don't mind forsaking a real family life with a wife and children, the situation is ripe for sin and tragedy.

Some thoughts:

1) You fail here by violating two basic logical principles - "Correlation does not equal causation" and making a sweeping generalization. The existence of the doctrine of the priest as "alter Christus" does not necessarily translate to feelings of entitlement to gratification of any sort. Likewise, it is logically inconsistent to paint priests with such a broad brush.

2) Although there are a few men who choose celibacy as a "cover" (and admittedly, there have been seminaries that have done a poor job in screening them out), most of the candidates for priesthood are willing to sacrifice having a wife and children for the sake of the Kingdom.

nothing changes.

What do you wish to change? The seminaries screen as well as is humanly possible, the perpetrators have been removed from ministry. Even if they are canonically defrocked, they are still ontologically priests.

Re: Crimen Sollicitationis

Given that that document that you linked to is in English, and not in Latin, I have a sneaking suspicion that it's a fabrication.

Even if it were not a fabrication, are you certain that it is still in force under the 1983 Code of Canon Law?

82 posted on 03/22/2010 9:21:22 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (0bama, what are you hiding? Just show us the birth certificate...)
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To: Global2010; Dr. Eckleburg

The difference is that teachers wind up in prison.

Historically Priests move to another parish.

Trying to justify priests behavior by hiding behind teachers is just pathetic.


83 posted on 03/22/2010 9:24:45 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Global2010

Why would I not believe it?


84 posted on 03/22/2010 9:25:57 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Gamecock

The biggest scandal was the pro-abortion endorsements by groups that call themselves Catholic.


85 posted on 03/22/2010 9:26:08 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz

Do tell.


86 posted on 03/22/2010 9:26:49 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Global2010; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

How fitting . . . SOOOOOOOOOOO IMPRESSIVE . . .

and habitual . . . evidently compulsively habitual . . .

A Papist wholesale distorting/lying about my perspective on the critters.

Kind of like Papists distorting reality about the abuses by Papists priests.

Is it something in the ‘holy’ water or in the wafers?


87 posted on 03/22/2010 9:30:45 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Gamecock

88 posted on 03/22/2010 9:32:12 AM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: Quix

Standard MO Quixy

Deflect
Make counter accusations
Deny

Repeat as needed.


89 posted on 03/22/2010 9:32:18 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Gamecock

I need to add one:

Counter-Attack


90 posted on 03/22/2010 9:35:20 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Gamecock
Standard MO Quixy

Deflect
Make counter accusations
Deny

Repeat as needed.

INDEED. SOMEWHAT LIKE THE DEMON MANIPULATED GLOBALISTS AND CONGRESS CRITTERS.

May God have mercy on all who Love Him in coming traumas.

1996 - October 23: On "The Charlie Rose Show" on the Public Broadcasting System, Mikhail Gorbachev states: "We are part of the Cosmos. Cosmos is my God. Nature is my God....The future society will be a totally new civilization which will synthesize the experience of Socialism and Capitalism...."

Above from:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81

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91 posted on 03/22/2010 9:35:56 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: GCC Catholic

“...most of the candidates for priesthood are willing to sacrifice having a wife and children for the sake of the Kingdom”

Thank you for pointing this out.

To say that the “celibate priesthood—is a situation ripe for sin and tragedy”, or to insinuate that it attracts men who are somehow suspect is truly smearing all good and worthy priests, and, —as you have correctly said, “it is logically inconsistent to paint priests with such a broad brush.”


92 posted on 03/22/2010 9:38:30 AM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: GCC Catholic
Even if it were not a fabrication, are you certain that it is still in force under the 1983 Code of Canon Law?

338:

Crimen Sollicitationis was written by Cardinal Ottaviani in 1962. As of 2001, it is no longer in effect, being replaced by Pope John Paul II's Sacramentorum sanctitatis tutela.

93 posted on 03/22/2010 9:42:30 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: cantabile
As our republic continues to degenerate into socialism and fascism, we can either stop slinging mud at each other and join forces against the decline, or we can sit back and watch it fail.

Exactly.

Your description of the Catholic attitude towards Protestants is also correct; I remember when I was growing up that Catholics thought that Protestants were wrong theologically, but not that they (individually or as a group) were evil incarnate or supported evil.

I live in the South now, and I've gotten used to things like a van strategically parked in front of our Cathedral with Bible verses and "Rome is the Whore of Babylon" painted on it. The van's occupants come in and scatter offensive leaflets in the pews from time to time.

I guess I should be used to it by now, but I'm still saddened by this.

94 posted on 03/22/2010 9:48:38 AM PDT by livius
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To: Quix; Gamecock
A Papist wholesale distorting/lying about my perspective on the critters.

Kind of like Papists distorting reality about the abuses by Papists priests.

Is it something in the ‘holy’ water or in the wafers?

Well, now, Gamecock, is this what you were looking for when you pinged Quix?

95 posted on 03/22/2010 9:48:46 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lazamataz

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.


96 posted on 03/22/2010 9:52:18 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Lorica; Gamecock

I’d think it more fitting to address that to the original distorting Papist.


97 posted on 03/22/2010 9:53:01 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

No. It’s fitting for you to be responsible for what you say.


98 posted on 03/22/2010 9:54:45 AM PDT by Lorica
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To: Lorica; Quix

This may come a shock to most, if not all Roman Catholics,

BUT I, as a Reformed Christian, consider my dispensational FRiend Quix a dear Christian brother.

While we disagree on on several issues, he believes in salvation by faith alone through Christ alone.

Not the Catholic scheme of works+faith=salvation


99 posted on 03/22/2010 9:55:35 AM PDT by Gamecock (We aren't sinners because we sin, we sin because we are sinners. (R.C. Sproul))
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To: Lorica; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; hope; ..

No trouble with that, at all.

Am consistently a LOT MORE, ENORMOUSLY MORE RESPONSIBLE AND ACCURATE

than the Papists in their diatribes and assaults on me.

Kindly Try and clean your own house up first before such cheeky exhortations about my responsibilities.


100 posted on 03/22/2010 9:56:52 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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