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Mormon church gives first lady volume of family history
Mormon Times ^ | March 17, 2010 | Scott Taylor

Posted on 03/22/2010 3:16:26 PM PDT by greyfoxx39

 
Mormon church gives first lady volume of family history
 
 
WASHINGTON -- For the second time in less than a year, Mormon church leaders have met with a President Barack Obama family member in the White House to present a volume of history.

First lady Michelle Obama was presented with a volume of her family history Wednesday morning by Elder Dallin H. Oaks of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Quorum of the Twelve Apostles.

Also participating was Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev.


In July, Mormon church President Thomas S. Monson joined Elder Oaks and Reid in presenting the U.S. president with his family history.

"Last year, the church compiled several volumes for President Barack Obama," Reid said. "This year, I thank Elder Oaks for sharing our faith's tradition of genealogical research with the first lady and her family.

"This documentation of their lineage will be cherished and passed on for future generations," he said. "I am honored that the church can play a part in documenting the history of the first family."


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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Resist the temptation to become a hater.

Every body, loves a lover....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xBHnm66y64

201 posted on 03/23/2010 5:41:41 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Resist the temptation to become a hater.

NOt to worry; I'll probably NEVER turn to MORMONism!

202 posted on 03/23/2010 5:42:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Your attemps to smears are pathic greyfoxx39

Has he been posting LDS facts again?

203 posted on 03/23/2010 5:43:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu; All
I use to work for ancestry.com

I think we may have found why all the mistakes are in the registry!

204 posted on 03/23/2010 5:44:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
So have they done it in the pass you try to make something sinister out of it greyfoxx39!

Head 'em off!

205 posted on 03/23/2010 5:45:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
It is ok as usual they get it wrong because their blind hate gets in the way!

MY eyes are WIDE open - no veil...

206 posted on 03/23/2010 5:46:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Hi replies are good comic relief. OPPS! Wonder if I will be accused of “stalking!”...again.

No; but you probably WILL get jumped on for typing too fast!

207 posted on 03/23/2010 5:48:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Giant runon sentence alert!

(What did she say?)

208 posted on 03/23/2010 5:49:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Saundra Duffy
 
But I suppose you think the exhibiters of the Dead Sea Scrolls are a bunch of liars and charlatons, right?
 
 
I have it on GOOD authority that the FOLLOWing was written by a charlaton and conman!


 
 
 


The "Caractors" are the only tangible evidence in existence related to Smith's story.
 
 No gold plates, no brass plates, no peep stones, no Urim and Thummim... only these "Caractors," not a single one of which is in the purported languages.


 

Smith's translation of the Caractors. According to Martin Harris (Joseph Smith - History, 1:64), "I went to the city of New York, and presented the characters which had been translated, with the translation thereof, to Professor Charles Anthon, a gentleman celebrated for his literary attainments. Professor Anthon stated that the translation was correct, more so than any he had before seen translated from the Egyptian. I then showed him those which were not yet translated,* and he said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic; and he said they were true characters."

Speak right up now in all truthfulness. Isn't it revealing how Smith started out making a stab at creating believable "caractors" but quckly gave up and produced nothing but squiggles, ending up wih a series of nothing more than crude little scribbles? Yet Professor Anthon supposedly translated them!

*Harris must have had two or three pieces of paper with him—one with characters and a translation of them (on the same paper or a separate one) and one with untranslated characters—quite likely the "Caractors." Some Mormon "scholars" have gone out on a limb, sawed it off, and knocked themselves out trying to translate from these true Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic characters a segment that would correspond with a verse from 1 Nephi.


Modern-day experts in Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic. In 1829, any knowledge of these languages possessed by U.S. scholars would have been rudimentary at best. Expertise in them has vastly improved since then. So go ahead, do it. Get any modern expert in these languages to identify which of these "Caractors" are Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac and Arabic. Better still, accept the claim of Mormon apologists that Anthon did indeed so testify and that his appraisal of the Caractors was correct. (Op. cit, pp. 73-75)

Save your money! Samples of Assyriac/Aramaic and Arabic writing:



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What say you? Which of Smith's "Caractors" resemble the Assyriac and Arabic ones? No need to pay experts for their analysis. A child could accurately check this out. These writing systems have remained constant for well over 3000 years.


209 posted on 03/23/2010 5:51:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
These people seem so bitter that, as they assume everything about your religion is a lie, there is certainly no way possible work done by Mormons in the field of geneology can be in any way, shape or form accurate.

We ASSUME nothing!


210 posted on 03/23/2010 5:53:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
The LDS pseudo-archaeologists are the liars and charlatans.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that; but they ARE definitely grasping at straws!

211 posted on 03/23/2010 5:54:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
I don’t know why the Mod puts up with your flouting of the rules.

Rope... lots of rope.

212 posted on 03/23/2010 5:55:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Because the Lord wants folks to know now from where they came so they feel more grounded!

HA Ha ha!

Matthew 12:46-50

46While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, "Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you."[a]

48He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

213 posted on 03/23/2010 5:58:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Until then I'm going to have to assume the very worst of many of them.

My...

This is telling!

214 posted on 03/23/2010 5:59:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Then you would be more charitable than their archaeological peers are.


215 posted on 03/23/2010 6:01:45 PM PDT by reaganaut ("I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I'd tell ya I have a year's supply of food in my basement but then you know what they might start thinking. lol.

Matthew 6:25-34

25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?

26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?

27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.

34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.

216 posted on 03/23/2010 6:02:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
 
Laughable that you keep taking shots at LDS.


 
 
 
 
 

217 posted on 03/23/2010 6:04:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: annieokie
Well actually he was prolicfic: he did have 7 kids, with his legal wife, more???? who knows.

I'm SURE the data about it is ACCURATE over in the LDS database!

218 posted on 03/23/2010 6:05:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: trisham
 What I do care about is freedom of religion. Freedom from bigotry. Kindness and compassion between us.
 
 
Yeah!
 
Just like the kind shown HERE!


 
Matthew 15:16
   "Are you still so dull?" Jesus asked them.

Matthew 23
 
  1.  Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
  2.  "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
  3.  So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
  4.  They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
  5.  "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries  wide and the tassels on their garments long;
  6.  they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
  7.  they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
  8.  "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
  9.  And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
 10.  Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
 11.  The greatest among you will be your servant.
 12.  For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
 13.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 14.  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 
 15.   "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are. 
 16.  "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
 17.  You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
 18.  You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
 19.  You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
 20.  Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
 21.  And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
 22.  And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
 23.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
 24.  You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
 25.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
 26.  Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
 27.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!  You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
 28.  In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
 29.  "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
 30.  And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
 31.  So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
 32.  Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
 33.  "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
 34.  Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
 35.  And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
 36.  I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
 37.  "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
 38.  Look, your house is left to you desolate.
 39.  For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "
 


Mark 7:26-27
 26.  The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter.
 27.  "First let the children eat all they want," he told her, "for it is not right to take the children's bread and toss it to their dogs."
 

And St. Paul chimes in...

Galatians 5:12
   As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!
 

219 posted on 03/23/2010 6:07:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Saundra Duffy
Ah, here it is! In the fine print!


220 posted on 03/23/2010 6:09:49 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (If I say to you "I'm your friend" ....RUN!)
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To: Elsie

No doubt, and good luck to whoever SEALED him, hahahahaha


221 posted on 03/23/2010 6:15:03 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Elsie; Tennessee Nana; reaganaut; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Godzilla; xzins; svcw; ...
Sean McCraney is on tonight at ten Eastern, over at http://www.hotm.tv if you have time this evening to view the program (Heart Of The Matter on Mormonism).
222 posted on 03/23/2010 6:15:31 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: Elsie
My... This is telling!

Not as telling as my freepmail box. Be that as it may, I didn't mean to take you away from your "witnessing" lol.

223 posted on 03/23/2010 6:16:59 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Elsie

Excuse me while I watch tonight’s episode of “Lost.”
In the meantime, keep clubbing them over the head for Jesus. lol.


224 posted on 03/23/2010 6:21:14 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Appreciate you bumping the thread. Keep up the help ...


225 posted on 03/23/2010 6:33:28 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Appreciate you bumping the thread. Keep up the help ...

My pleasure. No problem at all. This train wreck is something I believe shouldn't go unnoticed.

226 posted on 03/23/2010 6:35:03 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: trisham
What I do care about is freedom of religion. Freedom from bigotry.

cite for me one instance when it was advocated that mormons be prohibited from worshiping as they wish - just one

Do you favor people going door to door trying to sway them to their faith - is that bigotry in your book?

227 posted on 03/23/2010 8:05:02 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant; trisham
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

This is a Religion Forum after all - and your posts should have a theological context, i.e. not be a campaign to disparage individual Freepers.

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

228 posted on 03/23/2010 9:02:42 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: MHGinTN

Nice tagline!

Works for a LOT of things...


229 posted on 03/24/2010 4:46:16 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Excuse me while I watch tonight’s episode of “Lost.”

Oooooh!

Me, too!


(It just gets weirder!)

Live forever?

Smoke Monster?

What does it all MEAN?

230 posted on 03/24/2010 4:48:26 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
In the meantime, keep clubbing them over the head for Jesus. lol.

Don't worry - if we're wrong a MORMON will find out your name and be baptized for you.

231 posted on 03/24/2010 4:50:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Don't worry - if we're wrong a MORMON will find out your name and be baptized for you.

I have no prob covering all the bases. :-)

232 posted on 03/24/2010 5:40:07 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Elsie

Perhaps Jacob is really Joseph Smith? Oooooooohhhhhhhh.


233 posted on 03/24/2010 5:40:53 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Elsie

As if I’m supposed to give a flying monkey what any of them think.

It must be good to be part of a protected class on FR that can violate clear rules of engagement in the RF and not have to worry about the RM or an equally legitimate response to their making it personal.


234 posted on 03/24/2010 5:49:42 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: SZonian
It must be good to be part of a protected class on FR that can violate clear rules of engagement in the RF and not have to worry about the RM or an equally legitimate response to their making it personal.

Aw...

Who cares?

We have the FREEDOM to continue to post MORMON contradicitions all the time - their school yard taunts are mere background noise that adds to the experience.


Hebrews 12:4
You have not yet resisted to the point of shedding blood in your striving against sin;


When I get to THIS point; then perhaps I'll have to start thinking about it!

235 posted on 03/24/2010 5:56:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Oh, I know. I posted it for others to see that there are lines that some choose to pass and others don’t.


236 posted on 03/24/2010 6:00:57 AM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

:)


237 posted on 03/24/2010 6:23:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SZonian; Elsie
Oh, I know. I posted it for others to see that there are lines that some choose to pass and others don’t.

I like Elsie's comment about schoolyard taunts...I would add that they come from teachers' pets.

In any case, I wish everyone would quit feeding the trolls.

238 posted on 03/24/2010 7:05:38 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people die of natural causes.)
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To: greyfoxx39
In any case, I wish everyone would quit feeding the trolls.

Thanx for the advise but I can't do it. I need to stand up for the spat upon.

239 posted on 03/24/2010 7:29:53 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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........that’s the closest the mormons will ever get to the White House. Think of the paper to print the history of Joe. Poor trees.


240 posted on 03/24/2010 8:02:20 AM PDT by NoRedTape
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To: greyfoxx39
In any case, I wish everyone would quit feeding the trolls.

Quit FEEDING them??

I think they ought to CHEW ON THIS!!


We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of the secrets of this, the First Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that our throats be cut from ear to ear and our tongues torn out by our roots.

We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of the secrets of this, the Seond Token of the Aaronic Priesthood, with its accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree to have our breasts cut open and our hearts and vitals torn out from our bodies and given to the birds of the air and the beasts of the field.

We, and each of us, covenant and promise that we will not reveal any of the secrets of this, the First Token of the Melchizedek Priesthood, with its accompanying name, sign, or penalty. Should we do so, we agree that our bodies be cut assunder in the mdst and all our bowels gush out.

241 posted on 03/24/2010 10:25:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I need to stand up for the spat upon.
 
 
Thank you for hanging with us!
 
Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith-History 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?
 [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'.
When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'?
[Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly:
"When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73);
"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171);
"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199);
"And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.24);
"Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed:
"Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
"This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses, vol.18, p.44),
"But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses, 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated:
"Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p.167);
"Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses, 10:127).
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said:
"Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266).
"For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear:
"Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265);
"Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132);
"virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269);
"Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated:
"the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p.196).
 

242 posted on 03/24/2010 10:33:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Seriously. Are you able to communicate w/out spam?
Oh I forgot, the imaginary groupies. Carry on.


243 posted on 03/24/2010 11:31:02 AM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Leave the thread.


244 posted on 03/24/2010 12:38:05 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator
Leave the thread.

Ok I'm leaving. Sorry. I shouldn't have said "imaginary groupies". What was I thinking? I should have sent it to his freepmail box instead. :-)

245 posted on 03/24/2010 2:12:54 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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Ah, fresh air.


246 posted on 03/24/2010 3:08:05 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Times Square


248 posted on 03/24/2010 3:08:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu; colorcountry
Because the Lord wants folks to know now from where they came so they feel more grounded!

Is there source for this? Couldn't we just do yoga instead?

No matter, I already know who I am because God told me - I am his adopted, beloved child. It doesn't matter a rat's behind who my human ancestors were; could be Charles Manson or Hitler for all I care.

249 posted on 03/24/2010 3:27:52 PM PDT by T Minus Four ("You do not have soul, you ARE a soul. You have a body." C.S. Lewis)
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To: Elsie
Times Square


250 posted on 03/24/2010 3:30:00 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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