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Mary of Nazareth As The Bible Defines Her
The Ignorant Fishermen Blog ^ | 4/8/10 | DJP I.F.

Posted on 04/08/2010 2:47:10 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman

This study seeks to present from God's Holy Word what the Bible teaches about Mary of Nazareth, the young Jewish virgin that bore the Messiah, the Savior of the World. In this study we will seek to look at EVERY Bible verse found in the Holy Scriptures that pertains to Mary of Nazareth. Be sure to check out all the links for this study, for they will provide a deeper perspective into the person of Mary.

Introduction

In beginning this study, the clarifying statement should be made that the Bible, God’s infallible (reliable) and immaculate (perfect) Word, is the FINAL AUTHORITY when it comes to ALL matters pertaining to the truth of Christianity, which includes Mary (2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 3:16).

The Lord Jesus Christ gave countless warnings to BEWARE false teachers and false teachings. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man DECEIVE YOU (Gospel of Saint Matthew 24:4).

Saint Paul also warned us to BEWARE of false teachings and fables. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables (2 Timothy 4:2-4).

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To: RobbyS

It wouldn’t be very logical that Christ was including Himself given that He asserted He was God The Son etc.

Nice try.

No cigar.


101 posted on 04/09/2010 8:36:29 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: annalex

Not by a trillion trillion light years’ worth.


102 posted on 04/09/2010 8:37:26 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: johngrace

what i personally believe is beside the point. The Bible tells us that, after his bull session in the temple, he returned to Nazareth, and “was subject to” Joseph and Mary. He was a home school lad, who was mocked for his lack of formal credentials, but who profited from the example of his earthly parents.


103 posted on 04/09/2010 8:38:12 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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To: mgist; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; hope; ...

The Pharisees believed all manner of extra Biblical stuff for centuries, too.

We know God’s attitude toward their !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of man.

Some folks are teachable about such object lessons and some are not.


104 posted on 04/09/2010 8:39:38 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Cvengr

Now now.

You should know that logic and reason are no match for

fossilized gilded !!!!TRADITION!!!!


105 posted on 04/09/2010 8:40:40 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: presently no screen name
The difference between you and me is

You know who I am? Wow. Your god has given you psi powers?

I KNOW who I am in Christ for It IS WRITTEN.

Gnosticism was rightly condemned as heresy over 1900 years ago.

In YOUR opinion, KNOWING and BELIEVING God's written Word - is ARROGANCE.

Nice to see you get this wrong as well. Your mind reading skills are a tad underwhelming.

I know His voice.

Can you post an audio tape for us? How do you know it is His Voice?

Everything I lay my hands to shall prosper.

Yes, Bill Gates; I understand who you are now.

I have everlasting life.

With this attitude, you might have a different destination than those who will be saved.

I am a child of The Most High God.

We all are.

All His promises to me are yes and amen.

Luke 18: 9 He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else. 10 "Two people went up to the temple area to pray; one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, 'O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity--greedy, dishonest, adulterous--or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.' 13 But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, 'O God, be merciful to me a sinner.' 14 I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted."

I see that you've taken up your position.

106 posted on 04/09/2010 8:45:01 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: roamer_1

Just as God could have raised up rocks to be children of Abraham,

He could have raised up a mother for Jesus from any rock in the land.

Moses was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Elijah was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Ezekiel was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Esther was blessed to do her job. She did it.
David was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Daniel was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Rahab was blessed to do her job. She did it.
Mary was blessed to do her job. She did it.

Theological skyscrapers founded on a splinter off a toothpick aren’t grand enough for a gnat’s chapel.


107 posted on 04/09/2010 8:46:26 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: roamer_1; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

forgot to ping my cohorts.

Just as God could have raised up rocks to be children of Abraham,

He could have raised up a mother for Jesus from any rock in the land.

Moses was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Elijah was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Ezekiel was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Esther was blessed to do her job. She did it.
David was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Daniel was blessed to do his job. He did it.
Rahab was blessed to do her job. She did it.
Mary was blessed to do her job. She did it.

Theological skyscrapers founded on a splinter off a toothpick aren’t grand enough for a gnat’s chapel.


108 posted on 04/09/2010 8:46:57 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: presently no screen name; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; ...

I wonder what all these folks quibbling about

UNTIL

would do if

The police called them up and said . . .

He didn’t touch your daughter until after the intermission.
He didn’t touch your daughter until after they reached the park.

He didn’t touch your daughter until he got the leather out of his trunk.
He didn’t touch your daughter until he unlocked his camper.

He didn’t leave your daughter alone until he was well spent.
He didn’t stop hammering your dauther until he fell over in a drunken stupor.

I wonder how many such quibblers would be arguing about how uninformative “until” was, then.


109 posted on 04/09/2010 9:00:58 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

The traditions of man cannot be trusted. From Adam’s early perfect walk man’s traditions progressed to Sodom. For all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. This includes Mary and all Popes. My Bible states that I need no mortal ‘go between’ for myself and my Creator, only to be a born again blood bought believer in Jesus Christ. I do not need a preachers or a priest’ absolution, I pray to my God only. Go and twist The Word and convince yourself the Bible does not mean what it says.


110 posted on 04/09/2010 9:01:44 AM PDT by rsobin
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To: ShadowAce

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


111 posted on 04/09/2010 9:01:54 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: John Leland 1789

INDEED.

I think they are trained to ignore and rationalize away

GOD’S WORD when it doesn’t fit their !!!!TRADITIONS!!!! of men.


112 posted on 04/09/2010 9:02:45 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

You posted scripture in a way that misleads, my friend. The subject begins at verse 13 and is “where are the dead?”
Paul goes on to correct your type of misunderstanding in 2 Thessalonians ch 2 v 3, saying that Christ Jesus WILL NOT return until after antichrist accomplishes his appointed task.
It is wickedness, and will not be tolerated by this pastor.
Shame on you. LOL

Well did Peter give you a warning to pay diligent attention to Paul’s teachings. 2 Peter ch3 v16
LEARN BEFORE YOU TEACH


113 posted on 04/09/2010 9:04:59 AM PDT by SentForth5 (Just sayin' is all...)
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To: Iscool

INDEED.

UTTER HOGWASH GONE TO SEED pretending to be theology.


114 posted on 04/09/2010 9:05:19 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SentForth5

Sounds to me like your perspective is the one grossly askew from 2 Thes.


115 posted on 04/09/2010 9:07:00 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RobbyS
Well, Jesus himself was a “mortal born of woman.” Besides, Jesus was talking about the greatness of John. I don’t see “even greater than my mother anyway, btw.” ;-)

Where'd you get the idea that Mary was greater than John??? Jesus never said that...She was called blessed...God blessed her among women because someone of her low estate was chosen to bear Jesus...

Luk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

And Mary did NOT say that from henceforth all generations shall call ONLY ME blessed...

You're trying to make the scriptures line up with your theology...And as you can see, it doesn't work...

116 posted on 04/09/2010 9:08:21 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: MarkBsnr
I see you are ignorant to God's Word. ONLY those that KNOW HIM, personal relationship, and FOLLOW His Word as His children. John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I KNOW them, and THEY follow ME.

those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else.

My own righteousness? I never said 'my own'. You are too quick to condemn that your deceit guides you to error. YOU, who say, following and believing God's Word is arrogance will surely lie.

I am a son of God and heir to all the promises. My God provides all my needs according to His glorious riches in Christ Jesus. And all His promises to me are YES and AMEN! Are you getting it yet - these are the promises of God to HIS CHILDREN. And you don't believe it - kinda shows were you stand.

And you can't do one thing about me being blessed and highly favored, except whine!

God's Word REIGNS! bye bye to naysayers of HIS WORD.
117 posted on 04/09/2010 9:17:38 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: Iscool

INDEED.


118 posted on 04/09/2010 9:17:44 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: presently no screen name
I see you are ignorant to God's Word.

Spelling and grammar help.

ONLY those that KNOW HIM, personal relationship, and FOLLOW His Word as His children. John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I KNOW them, and THEY follow ME.

Not so fast. Who does the knowing and who does the believing? God does the knowing and His people are supposed to do the believing. Scripture does not say what you claim it says. For instance, this personal relationship that is so often bruited about. Where does it say that in the Bible? Chapter and verse please.

those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else. My own righteousness? I never said 'my own'.

Your posts blare it out in capital letters. Besides, Jesus said those words when applied to someone who was full of religious pride. Very applicable here.

You are too quick to condemn that your deceit guides you to error.

Take it up with the words of Jesus. Comfy in your position now?

YOU, who say, following and believing God's Word is arrogance will surely lie.

I never said that. Following and believing God's Word is doing as He tells us. Bleating about God saving you and prospering you and waving your status about in capital letters is not following God's Word. It is simply Pharasaical.

I am a son of God and heir to all the promises.

With that attitude, you may not get to collect.

My God provides all my needs according to His glorious riches in Christ Jesus.

Your God? Your own personal god that you have created in your own image? Is that the god you are referring to? You also said nothing about needs previously. You are changing your tune.

And all His promises to me are YES and AMEN!

You may wish to revisit 2 Corithians 1 to find out what Paul actually says.

Are you getting it yet - these are the promises of God to HIS CHILDREN. And you don't believe it - kinda shows were you stand.

I believe in the teachings of Christ, not the ravings of unlettered lunatics let free from the ruins of the Reformation or the rubble of the Restoration.

And you can't do one thing about me being blessed and highly favored, except whine!

1 Peter 5: 5 4 Likewise, you younger members, 5 be subject to the presbyters. And all of you, clothe yourselves with humility in your dealings with one another, for: "God opposes the proud but bestows favor on the humble." 6 So humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time.

You cannot exalt yourself in the eyes of God. Nice effort, though.

God's Word REIGNS!

Not currently in this world.

bye bye to naysayers of HIS WORD.

You have to know Him before you say bye bye to Him.

119 posted on 04/09/2010 9:42:51 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

My friend, please understand that Scripture was given to the Church, and must be understood in conjunction with Sacred Tradition, retained in the Catholic Church, but rejected by fundamentalists such as yourself. I reiterate that you are ignorant of the true meaning of Scripture, which is determined by the one body with the authority to teach it, the Catholic Church. Mary was, indeed, born without the stain of Original Sin, through the grace of God, and is the closest creature to God.


120 posted on 04/09/2010 10:41:31 AM PDT by I-ambush (I didn't think, I never dreamed, that I would be around to see it all come true-McCartney and Wings)
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To: johngrace
"There are cultural and different meanings to a word or phrase! "

Like the word is.

121 posted on 04/09/2010 10:48:57 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman; All

There are four things that are important about Miriam:

1. Miriam is a daughter who has no brothers
and is descended from King David.

2. Joseph is descended from King David.
But he is from a line prohibited to inherit.

3. The inheritance exception granted for
the daughters of Zelophehad
(These were daughters who had no brothers)
is in effect See:
Numbers 26,27,36; Joshua 17; 1 Chronicles 7

4. Joseph and Miriam are married (each descended from King David)
thus providing Miriam with permanent inheritance
of the Kingship of David for her to pass on to her firstborn son: Yah'shua.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
122 posted on 04/09/2010 10:56:46 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: I-ambush
"My friend, please understand that Scripture was given to the Church, and must be understood in conjunction with Sacred Tradition, retained in the Catholic Church"

Nah. Scripture contains God's words that are written to and intended to be read and understood by everyone. Those that think that only they have the "keys" are simply gnostics in disguise.

"Mary was, indeed, born without the stain of Original Sin"

According to the gnostics, but according to Scripture, there's no such thing as original sin. It contradidcts all of Ezekiel 18 and God points out in John 9 where that idea comes from.

123 posted on 04/09/2010 11:04:36 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

Yup, Mary’s perpetual virginity is a non-Biblical belief, as is her immaculate conceptipon and assumption into Heaven.

I was reading Galatians last night and one of the verses said “Greetings to Jesus’ brother.”

I wish the Catholic church would move away from this goddess-worship-in-not-so-many-terms ideology and become Biblically correct.

Ed


124 posted on 04/09/2010 2:05:38 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: iowamark

So when I shout “Wrong” to Methodists who say homosexuality is a gift from God, and I shout “Wrong” to Episcopalians who say abortion is a wonderful right that God gave us, then my yelling that word, “Wrong,” means I am not really a Christian?

Wrong!

Ed


125 posted on 04/09/2010 2:09:58 PM PDT by Sir_Ed
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To: Quix

Meh..I expect that from you Quix.
I’ve done my job...I reckon we’ll see when we get there.


126 posted on 04/09/2010 2:17:08 PM PDT by SentForth5 (Just sayin' is all...)
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To: Sir_Ed

Right as rain, Ed..Mary and Joseph had many children..but I know you know that.


127 posted on 04/09/2010 2:18:41 PM PDT by SentForth5 (Just sayin' is all...)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Mary and Elizebeth were also from the tribe of Levi. otherwise Elizabeth would not be allowed to marry a Levitical priest.


128 posted on 04/09/2010 2:26:46 PM PDT by SentForth5 (Just sayin' is all...)
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To: MarkBsnr
I never said that. Following and believing God's Word is doing as He tells us. Bleating about God saving you and prospering you and waving your status about in capital letters is not following God's Word. It is simply Pharasaical.

It's call rejoicing and that is God's Word! You got a problem with the Good News. Your tradition keeps you in bondage and not in the promises of God, and all your posts show your downcast spirit vs. my spirit that is filled with the Holy Spirit where there is joy unspeakable!

You're nothing but a grumpy old christian living in bondage.

personal relationship that is so often bruited about. Where does it say that in the Bible? Chapter and verse please.

Get yourself in His Word if you want to know - it's OBVIOUS you are void of God's Word. Besides, when are you interested in Scripture? You either ignore them or twist them to suit your need.

My own righteousness? I never said 'my own'. ......Your posts blare it out in capital letters.

You continue the lie. You don't understand scripture and don't know there IS a difference of one's own righteousness and the righteousness of God in Christ. Your lack of knowledge is amazing but that's the result of following tradition - it keeps one in bondage.

God's Word REIGNS!......Not currently in this world.

His children are IN this world but not OF this world. More Scripture you don't know. His Word REIGNS in the hearts of HIS CHILDREN.

With that attitude, you may not get to collect.

GET to collect?? I am living in His promises right here and now! It's a good attitude, a joyful one, a thankful one, a peaceful one.

God is faithful and true in everything that He says and does.

2 Peter 1:4 He has given us his very great and precious promises.

There are thousands of God's promises in the Bible. There are no broken promises from God. The Scripture record shows unequivocally that God keeps His promises.

Hebrews 6:12 ...imitate those who through faith & PATIENCE inherit what has been promised.

Numbers 23:19 God is NOT a man, that he should LIE, nor a son of man, that he should CHANGE HIS MIND. Does he speak and then not act? Does He promise and not fulfill?

The Bible is a historical record of the ABSOLUTE RELIABILITY of God’s promises. The Bible's promises have always proven trustworthy, I can count on them.

Psalms 119:140 Your promises have been THOROUGHLY TESTED, and your servant loves them.

That's MY GOD! That's MY God!

You have to know Him before you say bye bye to Him.

I KNOW HIM, I KNOW HIS VOICE, I walk in His Promises and Protection and I am His and He is mine for now and through eternity - never ending. I am blessed!! Thank You, Jesus!
129 posted on 04/09/2010 3:04:17 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: Sir_Ed

exactly.... God’s Word is written for an 8 year old to read... God keeps it simple..

God bless!


130 posted on 04/09/2010 3:09:15 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
That is right my dear Brother. One from the line of Solomon and the other from the line of Nathan.

The Kingly line is found in Matthew. (Joesph)

The son of Man line in Luke. Mary or Miriam.

I love those genealogies!!! A few Goys in that line...Ruth, Tamar, Rahab and Bethseba.. Oh the Grace of The Almighty!! shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

131 posted on 04/09/2010 3:14:14 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: MarkBsnr
The arrogance posted was that of a man who has his own god that serves him, rather than the opposite

You interpret things according to your warped mind. NO WHERE did I say that God serves me! You are a liar, again.

I spoke what God has promised that is in HIS WORD - and I BELIEVE HIM and take HIM at His Word - like HE tells us to do! You hate it when anyone follows Scripture because you don't. You don't know His Word and you condemn anyone that follows HIS WORD. I rebuke your evil words, in the name of Jesus!

Learn humility before you preach it. Such arrogance - you don't know The Word so you can't follow it but yet preach it. LOL! YOUR tradition has made you null and void.


132 posted on 04/09/2010 3:22:00 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: presently no screen name
It's call rejoicing and that is God's Word!

No, it's called Pharasaical behaviour and Jesus preached against it. By the way, God's Word is Jesus, not Scripture. If you get your terms correct, we may have more meaningful dialogue.

You got a problem with the Good News.

No, I have a problem with the arrogant and the proud who clothe themselves in it without reading or understanding it and shouting to the world how holy they are.

Your tradition keeps you in bondage and not in the promises of God, and all your posts show your downcast spirit vs. my spirit that is filled with the Holy Spirit where there is joy unspeakable!

Your posts show sneering arrogance, pride, with all the subtlety of an attention wh*re.

You're nothing but a grumpy old christian living in bondage.

Grumpy old Christian? Wasn't that a movie? No? I prefer the term bondservant over bondage. I willingly serve God and acknowledge Him as my master. I do not pretend to use God as a magic wand to satisfy my every whim or to try to cow the passersby with the spectacle of having your own pet god.

Get yourself in His Word if you want to know - it's OBVIOUS you are void of God's Word. Besides, when are you interested in Scripture? You either ignore them or twist them to suit your need.

Since you have posted none, I will supply you with some of the words of Jesus:

John 13: 1 1 2 3 Before the feast of Passover, Jesus knew that his hour had come to pass from this world to the Father. He loved his own in the world and he loved them to the end. 2 The devil had already induced 4 Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot, to hand him over. So, during supper, 3 fully aware that the Father had put everything into his power and that he had come from God and was returning to God, 4 he rose from supper and took off his outer garments. He took a towel and tied it around his waist. 5 5 Then he poured water into a basin and began to wash the disciples' feet and dry them with the towel around his waist. 6 He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, "Master, are you going to wash my feet?" 7 Jesus answered and said to him, "What I am doing, you do not understand now, but you will understand later." 8 Peter said to him, "You will never wash my feet." Jesus answered him, "Unless I wash you, you will have no inheritance with me." 9 Simon Peter said to him, "Master, then not only my feet, but my hands and head as well." 10 Jesus said to him, "Whoever has bathed 6 has no need except to have his feet washed, for he is clean all over; so you are clean, but not all." 11 For he knew who would betray him; for this reason, he said, "Not all of you are clean." 12 So when he had washed their feet (and) put his garments back on and reclined at table again, he said to them, "Do you realize what I have done for you? 13 You call me 'teacher' and 'master,' and rightly so, for indeed I am. 14 If I, therefore, the master and teacher, have washed your feet, you ought to wash one another's feet. 15 I have given you a model to follow, so that as I have done for you, you should also do. 16 Amen, amen, I say to you, no slave is greater than his master nor any messenger 7 greater than the one who sent him. 17 If you understand this, blessed are you if you do it.

Let's see if you understand this.

But there is no Scriptural reference to a 'personal relationship' with God. It is just another tradition of man that has arisen since the ruination of the Reformation and the rubble of the Restoration.

You continue the lie. You don't understand scripture and don't know there IS a difference of one's own righteousness and the righteousness of God in Christ.

I might worry about those whom Jesus told us about in:

Mark 7: 6 He responded, "Well did Isaiah prophesy about you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me;

Matthew 23: 1 1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 2 saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. 3 Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. 4 They tie up heavy burdens 3 (hard to carry) and lay them on people's shoulders, but they will not lift a finger to move them. 5 4 All their works are performed to be seen. They widen their phylacteries and lengthen their tassels. 6 5 They love places of honor at banquets, seats of honor in synagogues, 7 greetings in marketplaces, and the salutation 'Rabbi.' 8 6 As for you, do not be called 'Rabbi.' You have but one teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven. 10 Do not be called 'Master'; you have but one master, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you must be your servant. 12 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled; but whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

Greetings to you, Rabbi.

His children are IN this world but not OF this world. More Scripture you don't know.

You are really up to date on things that I don't know. Your god really has given you psi powers. I do know that Jesus was talking about those who believe in Him, not those who believe in the image that they see in the mirror.

GET to collect?? I am living in His promises right here and now! It's a good attitude, a joyful one, a thankful one, a peaceful one.

Christ mostly talked about our actions here and now and in our Judgement to either salvation or damnation. His promises were mostly about Heaven and hell. However, your attitude as described is very cleverly disguised.

God is faithful and true in everything that He says and does.

Yeah, but man is not.

That's MY GOD! That's MY God!

You keep prattling about your own personal god. That is not Christian. That is pagan. The Hindus keep their own personal gods in their households. Are you really Hindu?

I KNOW HIM, I KNOW HIS VOICE,

Yeah, yeah, he talks to you and you know His voice. I've asked you for an audio tape to post on this thread and some some of proof of authenticity that it is indeed God Almighty and not the lord of this world (who really seems to have claimed you if your posts are to be believed).

He is mine for now and through eternity - never ending. I am blessed!!

Yeah, yeah, you keep saying that you have your own pet god. Do you have any proofs? Certainly you cannot any proofs of any sort of connection to Christianity, not with the content of your posts thus far.

133 posted on 04/09/2010 4:09:45 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: presently no screen name
You interpret things according to your warped mind.

Warped mind? Your psychic powers given to you by your pet god are astounding indeed. I interpret things based upon Scripture, upon Church teachings, and upon previous experience with those things - in this case, your previous posts.

NO WHERE did I say that God serves me! You are a liar, again.

You say it in almost every post in our exchange. Point that liar's finger at yourself, if you please, sir.

I spoke what God has promised that is in HIS WORD - and I BELIEVE HIM and take HIM at His Word - like HE tells us to do!

I've asked you for the audio recording a couple of times now. By the way, the WORD of God is Jesus, not anything written. Get your Scriptures straight and it will be easier to debate.

You hate it when anyone follows Scripture because you don't.

You certainly haven't indicated following Scripture except as a negative example - the Pharisee in the front of the synagogue, for instance. How do you know I don't follow Scripture? Your pet god's pyschic powers?

You don't know His Word and you condemn anyone that follows HIS WORD.

I certainly do follow Jesus, Who is the Word of God. I do not appreciate those who have their own pet god and call it Jesus.

I rebuke your evil words, in the name of Jesus!

See? The good thing is that I have not posted any evil words according to the Christian faith. The bad thing is that I may appear evil to you according the PNCN faith which is handed down by the image in the mirror.

Learn humility before you preach it.

Me? I'm not bragging about God saving me and giving me riches and calling myself blessed and holy and shouting it to the world in capital letters. That darned mirror again.

Such arrogance - you don't know The Word so you can't follow it but yet preach it.

We Christians do not call Jesus 'it'. If you are referring to your pet god as Jesus, then feel free to spell it differently or with all lower case letters or something to differentiate Jesus the Christ from whatever it is that you follow.

YOUR tradition has made you null and void.

I don't have a tradition. I don't have a religion and I don't have a god. I will be ever eternally grateful that God Almighty has me, though.

134 posted on 04/09/2010 4:22:31 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: presently no screen name

“your tradition keeps you in bondage”
“all your posts show your downcast spirit”
“.. my spirit is filled with the Holy Spirit”
“You’re nothing but a grumpy old Christian living in bondage”
“It’s obvious you’re devoid of God’s Word”
“You continue to lie”

Wow—what a repertoire from someone who claims to be full of joy and the Holy Spirit.

I’m not impressed.


135 posted on 04/09/2010 4:32:35 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: presently no screen name

“Learn humility before you preach it”.

That’s very good advice. Consider following it.


136 posted on 04/09/2010 4:35:17 PM PDT by Running On Empty ((The three sorriest words: "It's too late"))
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To: I-ambush
My friend, please understand that Scripture was given to the Church, and must be understood in conjunction with Sacred Tradition, retained in the Catholic Church, but rejected by fundamentalists such as yourself. I reiterate that you are ignorant of the true meaning of Scripture, which is determined by the one body with the authority to teach it, the Catholic Church. Mary was, indeed, born without the stain of Original Sin, through the grace of God, and is the closest creature to God.

Was it drugs, or did they hypnotize you???

Your religious tradition didn't show up till after the scripture was penned and taught...Hundreds of years after the scripture was penned...So you got it completely wrong...

Your man-made religious tradition must be understood in conjunction with the written word...And if your tradition doesn't fit scripture, dump the tradition...

You can make stuff up that you want to believe the scripture says, but that doesn't change what the scripture really says...The scripture does not say nor imply Mary was sinless...

137 posted on 04/09/2010 4:42:38 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: presently no screen name

Amen


138 posted on 04/09/2010 4:47:08 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Running On Empty
Wow—what a repertoire from someone who claims to be full of joy and the Holy Spirit.

Or something else...


139 posted on 04/09/2010 5:03:44 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: presently no screen name

There is nothing in the scripture you are citing to indicate that Joseph knew her in the carnal sense after. That passage only speaks to the fact that Jesus was not conceived in the normal way. There is, however, an indication in the scripture that Mary did not intend to enter into a carnal relationship with Joseph, because when she was told by the angel that she would give birth to a son, she acted as if that was not possible: “How shall this be done, because I know not man?” (Luke 1:34).

Read the Holy Scripture attentively and you will leave the Protestant fantasies behind and become Catholic.


140 posted on 04/09/2010 5:04:39 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: ShadowAce
Don't pray to Mary or any other dead saint.

The Saints are not dead.

141 posted on 04/09/2010 5:06:32 PM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Lance Corporal texted me at 0330 on 2/3/10: AMERICA!)
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To: Iscool
The scripture does not say nor imply Mary was sinless...

Hi Iscool. How's the Holy LaZBoy throne in the Church of Iscool (population one) these days?

Let us see what the Church Fathers said long before Scripture was chosen, and much of it before some of Scripture was written:

from http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2008/07/church-fathers-on-sinlessness-of-mary.html

St. Athanasius : . . . pure and unstained Virgin . . . (On the Incarnation of the Word, 8; Gambero, 102) O noble Virgin, truly you are greater than any other greatness. For who is your equal in greatness, O dwelling place of God the Word? To whom among all creatures shall I compare you, O Virgin? You are greater than them all O Covenant, clothed with purity instead of gold! You are the Ark in which is found the golden vessel containing the true manna, that is, the flesh in which divinity resides. (Homily of the Papyrus of Turin, 71, 216; Gambero, 106)

St. Ephraem: Mary and Eve, two people without guilt, two simple people, were identical. Later, however, one became the cause of our death, the other the cause of our life (Op. syr. II, 327; Ott, 201) The Virgin Mary is a symbol of the Church, when she receives the first announcement of the gospel . . . We call the Church by the name of Mary, for she deserves a double name. (Sermo ad noct. Resurr.; Gambero, 115) Thou and thy mother are the only ones who are totally beautiful in every respect; for in thee, O Lord, there is no spot, and in thy Mother no stain. (Nisibene Hymns, 27, v. 8; Ott, 201)

Citing this source, J.N.D. Kelly asserts: [W]e find Ephraem delineating her as free from every stain, like her son. (Kelly, 495)

St. Cyril of Jerusalem: Pure and spotless is this birth. For where the Holy Spirit breathes, all pollution is taken away, so that the human birth of the Only-begotten from the Virgin is undefiled. (Catechetical Lectures, XII, 31-32; Gambero, 140)

St. Gregory Nazianzen He was conceived by the Virgin, who had first been purified by the Spirit in soul and body; for, as it was fitting that childbearing should receive its share of honor, so it was necessary that virginity should receive even greater honor. (Sermon 38, 13; Gambero, 162-163)

St. Gregory of Nyssa It was, to divulge by the manner of His Incarnation this great secret; that purity is the only complete indication of the presence of God and of His coming, and that no one can in reality secure this for himself, unless he has altogether estranged himself from the passions of the flesh. What happened in the stainless Mary when the fulness of the Godhead which was in Christ shone out through her, that happens in every soul that leads by rule the virgin life. (On Virginity, 2; NPNF 2, Vol. V, 344) [T]he power of the Most High, through the Holy Spirit, overshadowed the human nature and was formed therein; that is to say, the portion of flesh was formed in the immaculate Virgin. (Against Apollinaris, 6; Gambero, 153)

St. Ambrose . . . Mary, a Virgin not only undefiled but a Virgin whom grace has made inviolate, free of every stain of sin. (Commentary on Psalm 118, 22, 30; Jurgens, II, 166) What is greater than the Mother of God? What more glorious than she whom Glory Itself chose? What more chaste than she who bore a body without contact with another body? (Virginity, II, 6; NPNF 2, Vol. X, 374)

St. Epiphanius Mary, the holy Virgin, is truly great before God and men. For how shall we not proclaim her great, who held within her the uncontainable One, whom neither heaven nor earth can contain? (Panarion, 30, 31; Gambero, 127)

St. Jerome 'There shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a flower shall grow out of his roots.' The rod is the mother of the Lord--simple, pure, unsullied; drawing no germ of life from without but fruitful in singleness like God Himself... Set before you the blessed Mary, whose surpassing purity made her meet to be the mother of the Lord. (Letter XXII. To Eustochium, 19, 38; NPNF 2, Vol. VI, 29, 39; cf. Gambero, p. 213: “whose purity was so great that she merited to be the Mother of the Lord”) Indeed how inferior they are, in terms of holiness, to blessed Mary, Mother of the Lord! (Contra Pelagianos, 1, 16; Gambero, 212)

St. Augustine We must except the holy Virgin Mary, concerning whom I wish to raise no question when it touches the subject of sins, out of honour to the Lord; for from Him we know what abundance of grace for overcoming sin in every particular was conferred upon her who had the merit to conceive and bear Him who undoubtedly had no sin.

142 posted on 04/09/2010 5:15:35 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Sir_Ed

It should go without saying, but people who promote abortion or homosexuality are not Christian.


143 posted on 04/09/2010 5:29:27 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
God’s Word is written for an 8 year old to read

So all those people who He preached to and they didn't get it were all 7 and younger? The Apostles spent most of their time less than 8 years old? The Eunuch of Acts was less than 8?

You guys that think that you can interpret Scripture for yourself in violation of Scripture itself get really amusing at times. What do you have next for us?

144 posted on 04/09/2010 5:50:12 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: iowamark
It should go without saying, but people who promote abortion or homosexuality are not Christian.

What about people who jettison the entire book of Matthew? What about people who say that since man can never be as perfect as the Father, then man shouldn't bother to follow any of the commands of Jesus? What about people who attempt their own interpretation of Scripture and come up with their own doctrines and beliefs? What about those who reject the Church Fathers and the canon of Scripture declared by the Church?

145 posted on 04/09/2010 5:53:55 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: I-ambush

Said seemingly from the best

!!!!TRADITIONS!!!!

and attitudes of the RELIGIOUS RULERS

2000 years ago.


146 posted on 04/09/2010 6:58:53 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Sir_Ed

INDEED.

AMEN! AMEN!


147 posted on 04/09/2010 7:00:27 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Sir_Ed

INDEED! AMEN! AMEN!

THX.


148 posted on 04/09/2010 7:01:08 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: SentForth5

I may have been confused by your cryptic comments and refs.

If you care to bother outlining what you believe those verses are telling Believers, I’ll be happy to consider them again.


149 posted on 04/09/2010 7:02:46 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Iscool

Your religious tradition didn’t show up till after the scripture was penned and taught...Hundreds of years after the scripture was penned...So you got it completely wrong...

Your man-made religious tradition must be understood in conjunction with the written word...And if your tradition doesn’t fit scripture, dump the tradition...

You can make stuff up that you want to believe the scripture says, but that doesn’t change what the scripture really says...The scripture does not say nor imply Mary was sinless...

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INDEED.

THX.


150 posted on 04/09/2010 7:04:36 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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