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Mary of Nazareth As The Bible Defines Her
The Ignorant Fishermen Blog ^ | 4/8/10 | DJP I.F.

Posted on 04/08/2010 2:47:10 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman

This study seeks to present from God's Holy Word what the Bible teaches about Mary of Nazareth, the young Jewish virgin that bore the Messiah, the Savior of the World. In this study we will seek to look at EVERY Bible verse found in the Holy Scriptures that pertains to Mary of Nazareth. Be sure to check out all the links for this study, for they will provide a deeper perspective into the person of Mary.

Introduction

In beginning this study, the clarifying statement should be made that the Bible, God’s infallible (reliable) and immaculate (perfect) Word, is the FINAL AUTHORITY when it comes to ALL matters pertaining to the truth of Christianity, which includes Mary (2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 3:16).

The Lord Jesus Christ gave countless warnings to BEWARE false teachers and false teachings. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man DECEIVE YOU (Gospel of Saint Matthew 24:4).

Saint Paul also warned us to BEWARE of false teachings and fables. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables (2 Timothy 4:2-4).

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To: johngrace; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

Ahhhh yes,
theological skyscrapers,
built on a splinter from a toothpick
for a
FOUNDATION!
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
IMPRESSIVE!

51 posted on 04/08/2010 10:13:12 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: johngrace

Rationalizations are such wonderful

hollow defenses for all kinds of nonsense.


52 posted on 04/08/2010 10:13:58 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: johngrace
Same thing - Not sure why you haggle about a word 'union' or 'knew' - it means the same in that scripture.

And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and He called his name JESUS.

It implies nothing as to what happened afterward.

How could you honestly say that. 'KNEW her NOT TILL she had brought forth HER firstborn. It has EVERYTHING to do with what happened after - after she delivered Jesus. That's when he KNEW her. They were married and arranged by God and He created marriage as a union.

Mark 10:7,8
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh.


HER firstborn is just that - her firstborn. If you change God's Word to suit a tradition, you are placing tradition above God's Word. You have more reverence for your tradition than God's Word.

Don't battle with me - Matt 1:25 are God's Words as is Mark 10;7,8.
53 posted on 04/08/2010 10:24:15 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: presently no screen name

VERY WELL PUT.

THX.


54 posted on 04/08/2010 10:34:07 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Q: How do know that for certain someone is not a Christian?

A: When their response to Christians is to shout: WRONG!


55 posted on 04/08/2010 10:42:37 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: presently no screen name

Meaning He did not even have sex during her Pregnancy Too with the until and definely does not have to mean after either.


56 posted on 04/08/2010 11:01:42 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: iowamark

Something IS wrong -

Tradition vs. God’s Word.


57 posted on 04/08/2010 11:09:38 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: Quix

Yeah, I’m on secret orders from the vatican to converse with you. Gee I have not gotten my check this week. HHHMMMM you got all figured out? No offense but when you know the history of the church you’ll understand how the bible was put together. It did not drop from the sky in the king’s english and some one was walking to pick it up. Then said eureeka!


58 posted on 04/08/2010 11:14:09 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman; Quix
An excellent essay, Scripturally-faithful and God-glorifying.

The Scripture verses presented here consisted of ALL the scripture verses that mention Mary of Nazareth. The many traditions of Mary - her intercessory prayers, her immaculate birth and sinless life (or state of perfection), her perpetual virginity, her ascension into Heaven, her immaculate heart, etc. are NOWHERE TO BE FOUND in the Holy Scriptures. Relatively speaking, very little is mentioned about Mary in the New Testament. These false doctrines, teachings, fables and traditions passed down through the centuries have originated and been enlarged upon by the traditions of men and the Catholic Church. These fables were not given by Almighty God. In fact, these teachings contradict the Holy Scriptures and its divine authority. They are at the very heart of Satanic lies and deception.

To again clarify, this study was not done to belittle anyone's personal beliefs, but only to expose the heretical falsehoods pertaining to the church traditions and teachings of Mary of Nazareth. It is our deepest desire to encourage people to BELIEVE the Holy Scriptures and to REJECT any teachings and traditions of men which contradict the Holy Scriptures. May it be your sincere desire to acknowledge Mary as she is; a wonderful and faithful servant of Almighty God (Luke 1:28). As the Second Person of the Triune Godhead, may Jesus Christ ONLY be exalted and lifted up in our hearts and lives.

Amen.

59 posted on 04/08/2010 11:19:12 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: johngrace
Meaning He did not even have sex during her Pregnancy Too

Where do you come up w/this stuff? You bring up things that aren't even up for discussion.

definely does not have to mean after either.

Why is this so hard for you to understand.... not till she had brought forth her firstborn son. Means after Jesus was born.

You can ignore The Truth but you can't change it.

Say you want to believe your tradition instead of God's Word but don't be dishonest and say it doesn't mean what is says. G'night.
60 posted on 04/08/2010 11:21:44 PM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: presently no screen name

NO its not just first born because there are siblings only. The jews would use it even with one child. Because the first born were reserved for the priesthood. If you have one child he is the still the first born and only.


61 posted on 04/08/2010 11:26:15 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: presently no screen name

You are intellectually dishonest! Amazing! There are cultural and different meanings to a word or phrase! Suppose someone reads thousand of years later a letter written about hot dogs then believes we literally ate our pet dogs. Thats what your doing in a your own way. Maybe Getting it wrong. I’ll fight for your right of free speech but that does not mean your absolutely right to declare that you understand it better than me. But thats why we live in america for now anyway. Until thats taken. May God guide us. Soon we might argue this in the same jail cell. Take care.


62 posted on 04/08/2010 11:40:04 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: presently no screen name
Mary was a righteous woman.

Mary was a normal woman.

Righteous, normal women do not defraud their husbands.

Jesus was raised in a normal, righteous family. One where spouses did not cheat (defraud), or cheat on, one another.

Arguments to the contrary denigrate the goodness of God's created order, and undermine the doctrine of the Incarnation. The cult of the BVM has that flavor of the demonic around it, a spooky ethereal unearthliness. An unreal sickly sweetness. Satan lusts to be treated as deity, and will gladly don a mask to receive worship, appearing as the Angel Moroni, or the BVM.

One evidence of the demonic -- the ferocious intensity you'll find in the responses of those whose devotional faculties are tuned in to the goddess's wavelength. Suggest that Mary was a normal woman, a loving and faithful wife, and mother of other children -- and these folks react as though you'd called their mother a slut.

63 posted on 04/08/2010 11:43:55 PM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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To: RJR_fan

Did jesus obey the commandment honor your mother and your father? If he did how did he do that? What do you personally believe?


64 posted on 04/08/2010 11:57:44 PM PDT by johngrace
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To: johngrace

May God guide us.

Guide me? He never leaves nor forsakes me. I am blessed and highly favored. My footsteps are ordered of The Lord. I am the righteousness of God in Christ. The very hairs on my head are numbered by Him. He has plans for me, plans to prosper me and not to harm me, plans to give me hope and a future. When I pray, He hears and answers me.


65 posted on 04/09/2010 12:02:07 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: nomodem

WOW! You’d think I’d just blasphemed the Virgin Mother. LOL Of course it’s a misapplication of scripture. I learned early in life how to make scripture fit whatever point I want it to make.

Geez...laptop theologians.


66 posted on 04/09/2010 1:59:28 AM PDT by arielguard (Fasting without prayer is vainglory.)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

The “worship” of Mary is always set in the context of the worship of Christ. The Councils speak of Mary as “theotokos,” God-bearer” because Jesus has been first said to be true God and true man. Those moderns who reduce her role to virtual insignificance also treat the birth stories with lightness, as legend, and seldom are more respectful of His miracles or His Resurrection. As for the authority of Scripture, they say it is nothing but the imaginings of cultists.


67 posted on 04/09/2010 2:28:12 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

as soon as I saw rapture upheld in this blog, the trashbin in my mind was opened, and the ignorant fisherman was discarded.


68 posted on 04/09/2010 2:38:36 AM PDT by SentForth5 (Just sayin' is all...)
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To: RobbyS

God the Father provided Jesus Christ a body via Mary. God did not provide God through Mary, but He already existed. Mary did not have Divine essence.


69 posted on 04/09/2010 2:38:44 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: presently no screen name

Verbal Tradition is where we got the Bible! You’re missing a lot when you don’t read the history. Look up a guy called Helvidius [380 A.D.] The many weird ideas that haunt some Protestant churches have occurred in the past only to resurface recently. Luther, Calvin, Wesley certainly didn’t agree with y’all. Dan Brown does though...as do many of the earth goddess believers. Strange company you keep!


70 posted on 04/09/2010 2:41:04 AM PDT by bronxville
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To: johngrace

And when we study His Word, we know the Word did not depend upon Tradition in order for God to communicate to all believers.


71 posted on 04/09/2010 2:45:49 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: iowamark

Unless the “Christian”

is seriously WRONG.


72 posted on 04/09/2010 2:55:57 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: johngrace; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

The Vatican’s rubber history version of things is not the least bit impressive, to me.

Shoot, it didn’t even exist as such nor reign remotely supreme until what . . . 300+A.D.

What hubris.


73 posted on 04/09/2010 2:57:57 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: presently no screen name
You can ignore
The Truth
but you can't
change it.

!INDEED!

74 posted on 04/09/2010 3:00:32 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: RJR_fan

One evidence of the demonic — the ferocious intensity you’ll find in the responses of those whose devotional faculties are tuned in to the goddess’s wavelength. Suggest that Mary was a normal woman, a loving and faithful wife, and mother of other children — and these folks react as though you’d called their mother a slut.

###

ABSOLUTELY, INDEED.


75 posted on 04/09/2010 3:01:26 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Cvengr

God the Father provided Jesus Christ a body via Mary. God did not provide God through Mary, but He already existed. Mary did not have Divine essence.

@@@

INDEED.

However, the official position of the Vatican edifice is different as I’ve documented on a number of threads.


76 posted on 04/09/2010 3:03:07 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: iowamark

Our Lord Christ Jesus had no problem overturning and shouting at the moneychangers when they had changed the Father’s house into a den of thieves.


77 posted on 04/09/2010 3:03:16 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

We have a different formulae. Through Mary, the Divine Word became incarnate.
She is a most holy human being who chose to have this happen. She is no more divine than the other saints, but she is first among them as mother of the savior —the first Christian.


78 posted on 04/09/2010 3:03:39 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Cvengr

INDEED.


79 posted on 04/09/2010 3:23:55 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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She is a most holy human being who chose to have this happen. She is no more divine than the other saints, but she is first among them as mother of the savior —the first Christian.

WRONG.

That
IS
CONTRARY TO SCRIPTURE.

CHRIST HIMSELF NOTED QUITE FIRMLY AND CLEARLY that John the Baptist was THE GREATEST OF ALL MORTALS BORN OF WOMEN.

Or is there now a new Dogma that Mary was born of angels? ET's?

Or maybe that as an infant, she floated down from Heaven on a large white hankey?

It's hard to keep up with all the new Marian heresies propagating like . . . abundantly, from the Vatican edifice.

80 posted on 04/09/2010 3:33:49 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Well, Jesus himself was a “mortal born of woman.” Besides, Jesus was talking about the greatness of John. I don’t see “even greater than my mother anyway, btw.” ;-)


81 posted on 04/09/2010 4:20:03 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: SentForth5

lol.... Along with all of Almighty God’s precious promises from His Word... My friend... I am not offended at all..lol...do what eve you want.. all I posted was Scripture..


82 posted on 04/09/2010 4:33:18 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

thanks. To God be the Glory!


83 posted on 04/09/2010 4:34:35 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: johngrace

oh good.. are theses Bible verse links?.....


84 posted on 04/09/2010 4:36:38 AM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman

So don’t post inanities.


85 posted on 04/09/2010 5:09:39 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: presently no screen name
NO UNION with her UNTIL she gave birth to a son

This says nothing about what Joseph and Mary did AFTER.

Read the scripture attentively and you will come to the truth as the Church teaches it.

86 posted on 04/09/2010 5:11:46 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: The Ignorant Fisherman
Nowhere is it said in the Bible, that only beliefs as specifically stated in the bible are valid, and that never stopped some people from believing in that non-existent concept.

What is clearly in the bible, is one of Jesus last conversations with His Father. In the garden, Jesus prayed His last prayer to His father. He asked Him THREE TIMES, that his followers remain united as ONE.

James 17:22 And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one, I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to perfection as one, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me.

Most original protestant groups (Lutherans etc.) believe in the Blessed Mary as being without sin.

Why do all these fly by night churches insist on demeaning the role of the "BLESSED" mother, the "favored ONE", as nothing special?

She plays a huge role in God's plan for salvation.

With all the real offenses done to God, why pick on Jesus' mother? The reality is that even if she was proved not to be a virgin, I would still call her Blessed like the bible says, and I have no doubt that God gave us these example of true Christian women, because clearly our world has deceived us as to what a real woman should be.

Mary was obedient, humble, loving, and faithfull. That is what God wants for His children. No ordinary woman could watch her son being tortured, insulted, and killed, and still humbly accept God's plan.


If I prefer the icon of the Blessed Mother, to Britney Spears, Madonna the Singer, or Lady Gaga, your just going to have to find it in your heart to be a little more understanding.

87 posted on 04/09/2010 5:30:48 AM PDT by mgist
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To: mgist

If the liberties of interpretation and theological reasoning were applied as to the perfection of Mary and her being the mother of God, then Mary’s mother can be equally identified as more important as the mother of the mother of God who gave birth to the perfect vessel. ..... and equally applied to her mother ad infinitum....ergo reductio ad absurdum.


88 posted on 04/09/2010 5:37:01 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: mgist
He asked Him THREE TIMES, that his followers remain united as ONE.

That does not suggest that we should join you in the least in your goddess worship. Jesus no doubt meant we should be united in the TRUTH.

Most original protestant groups (Lutherans etc.) believe in the Blessed Mary as being without sin.

Then they were just as bloody wrong as you (all) are.

She plays a huge role in God's plan for salvation.

Prove it.

With all the real offenses done to God, why pick on Jesus' mother?

No one is "picking on Jesus' mother." It is the thinly veiled worship of the "goddess of heaven" that is in question. Nearly every attribute given to Mary can be found therein, and not within the Scriptures in any way whatsoever.

89 posted on 04/09/2010 6:06:58 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: presently no screen name
Guide me? He never leaves nor forsakes me. I am blessed and highly favored. My footsteps are ordered of The Lord. I am the righteousness of God in Christ. The very hairs on my head are numbered by Him. He has plans for me, plans to prosper me and not to harm me, plans to give me hope and a future. When I pray, He hears and answers me.

Neato. It seems that you have your very own god created in your own image that you keep on the hall stand and rub his head for luck when you walk by. Love the humility.

Matthew 5: 1 1 When he saw the crowds, 2 he went up the mountain, and after he had sat down, his disciples came to him. 2 He began to teach them, saying: 3 3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, 4 for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Can you tell me what the arrogant will inherit?

90 posted on 04/09/2010 6:59:21 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: annalex

He KNEW her, NO union TILL

They were married and are considering one flesh in the eyes of God. Are you saying Mary went against what the creation of marriage is about and ignored her husband just to suite your tradition?

I did read what the Word of God teaches. You ignore TRUTH for tradition.

God WORD is TRUTH. And your tradition can never change God’s Word - it stands forever.


91 posted on 04/09/2010 6:59:53 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: MarkBsnr
"Can you tell me what the arrogant will inherit? "

You obviously don't read scripture much if you are calling him arrogant. All he is doing is repeating what God's word says. You don't think that God has every hair on our head counted? You don't think he hears our prayers? You don't think he never leaves or forsaken's us?

92 posted on 04/09/2010 7:11:06 AM PDT by Revelation Concepts
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To: MarkBsnr
The difference between you and me is - I KNOW who I am in Christ for It IS WRITTEN.

In YOUR opinion, KNOWING and BELIEVING God's written Word - is ARROGANCE. That's satan opinion, also.

'HE Who is in me, is greater than he who is in the world.' I am fearfully and wonderfully made. I am healed by His Stripes. I know His voice. Everything I lay my hands to shall prosper. His Grace and Mercy follow me always. I have everlasting life.

I am a child of The Most High God. All His promises to me are yes and amen.
93 posted on 04/09/2010 7:26:50 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: bronxville

I’m not interested in reading who is for or against The Word of God.

All I’m interested in is the Living Word - The Word that created it all - His Word always was - for HE is The Word. What a God I serve - I praise HIM and ONLY HIM for HE ALONE is worthy of praise!


94 posted on 04/09/2010 7:42:47 AM PDT by presently no screen name ( Repeal ZeroCare!)
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To: mgist
Nowhere is it said in the Bible, that only beliefs as specifically stated in the bible are valid, ...

Agreed--but we must compare our beliefs and traditions with what is commanded in the Bible as well to be sure of no conflict.

Praying to Mary, whether it is worship (as some claim) or asking for intercession, is wrong.

The Bible is one story. There are not two different types of Christianity. Given that, what was commanded in the OT, and not rescinded in the NT (or later in the OT), is still valid. Agreed?

Deu 18:10 Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in [fn] the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft,
Deu 18:11 or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
Don't consult the dead. Don't pray to Mary or any other dead saint. Talk only with the living and the Living God. He is more than capable of hearing everyone's prayers and doesn't require any angel/dead saint/etc to intercede for a living person's prayers.
95 posted on 04/09/2010 7:48:41 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Quix

” . . . but she is first among them as mother of the savior —the first Christian. . . .”


. . . and powerless to lead her own children to Christ after having raised them together! (John 7:5)


96 posted on 04/09/2010 7:50:43 AM PDT by John Leland 1789 (Grateful)
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To: arielguard
I learned early in life how to make scripture fit whatever point I want it to make.

Obviously.

Geez...laptop theologians.

...got any more quicky labels to share, Mr. "Orthodox Christian. Family man. Deputy Sheriff U.S. Marine Sergeant American stock from before the Revolution."?

97 posted on 04/09/2010 8:07:35 AM PDT by nomodem
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To: johngrace
I have never seen an English New Testament that actually reads UNION were KNEW HER was in that verse. What Version did you use. I personally own several translations. Anyway it usually reads different. It means only that Joseph had nothing to do with the conception of Jesus. It implies nothing as to what happened afterward. Thats why it is stated so you knew it was the virgin woman from the Book of Isaiah prediction. Its not stating That There was sex later. That wording is used alot in the old testament.

Isaiah does NOT say the woman would go her entire life without sex...

I believe in 2samuel 6:23 It reads in some translation Michal had no children until her death. Does that mean she had children after death?

You better throw that translation away...Right in the trash...Here's what it really says and if someone can't understand what it says, one might better start out again with the Daily Reader...

2Sa 6:23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto the day of her death.

98 posted on 04/09/2010 8:14:51 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Revelation Concepts
You obviously don't read scripture much if you are calling him arrogant.

Very arrogant. The Beatitudes, for instance tell us our responsibilities and how we should conduct ourselves in the service of God and our fellow men. The Two Commandments of Jesus are to love God and our fellow men.

The arrogance posted was that of a man who has his own god that serves him, rather than the opposite. We Catholics understand that God does not belong to us; rather, we belong to Him.

Mother Teresa was a very good example of humility. She never went around braying about God planning for her, prospering her, and answering every prayer that she makes.

99 posted on 04/09/2010 8:20:08 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: johngrace
If you have one child he is the still the first born and only.

You've read this off a Catholic apologetics site...I've read the same thing...

You need to think this thru...Who in the Old Testament or the New Testament had planned on only one child in the family (let's leave Mary out for a moment)??? I would think that anyone in the OT or NT after having one child anticipated having more...So when the first born is born, he/she can be called the firstborn since others likely will follow...

Now fast track ahead to anyone you now know or ever heard of...How many women do you know that had one child and stopped the process with sterilzation with no plans for any more??? And how many of them go around claiming their guaranteed one and only child is their 'first born'??? I'd bet not a single one...And there goes your biblical exegesis theory...

100 posted on 04/09/2010 8:35:10 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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