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Is the United States of America in Bible Prophecy? Is the United States in Bible Prohecy?
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Posted on 04/13/2010 11:48:13 AM PDT by hope_dies_last

Is the United States of America in Bible Prophecy?

Can the United States of America be found in the Bible's prophecies? Yes, America, the greatest country the world has ever known, is described in key endtime Bible prophecy. This website will help you search your own Bible to discover the amazing truth regarding America and its future role in world events...

The principles and spirit enjoined by America's constitution are the reason for her great success, yet few today know from where these principles originate. They orginate from above, freedom of conscience and the spirit of self-sacrificing love are attributes of the character of God.

History bears record that God has used this great nation to do all of the above, but what about America's future? America's role in the final events of this world's history is the focus of this website.

Read more at http://www.americainprophecy.com/


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1 posted on 04/13/2010 11:48:13 AM PDT by hope_dies_last
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To: hope_dies_last

No.

It’s not.


2 posted on 04/13/2010 11:50:19 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Tzimisce

No.

It’s not.


Probably because it will not be a viable nation.


3 posted on 04/13/2010 11:52:01 AM PDT by unkus
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To: hope_dies_last
Can the United States of America be found in the Bible's prophecies? Yes,

Why the tease? Why not just tell us?

4 posted on 04/13/2010 11:52:26 AM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: Tzimisce

bttt


5 posted on 04/13/2010 11:53:34 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: hope_dies_last

My answer? My tag line is over a year old.


6 posted on 04/13/2010 11:54:51 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Tzimisce

I thought we were the goat.


7 posted on 04/13/2010 11:57:42 AM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (A house divided against itself cannot stand.” Abraham Lincoln)
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To: umgud

Yes but first a word from our sponsors.


8 posted on 04/13/2010 12:01:18 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: umgud

Seems to be another ‘replacement theology’ theme with America as the ‘true Israel’. Garner Ted Armstrong anyone?


9 posted on 04/13/2010 12:02:38 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: hope_dies_last

The Great Premillennial HOAX by Don Matzat
http://www.mtio.com/articles/aissar69.htm

In 1970, Hal Lindsey came out with his monstrous best-selling book (15 million sold), “The Late Great Planet Earth.” Since then, much of Evangelical Christianity has been obsessed with the signs of the times.

From 1971 until 1986, I was an active, visible participant in the Lutheran Charismatic Movement. Since the movement was highly influenced by Pentecostal thinking, in addition to adopting the theology of the Holy Spirit, many Lutheran Charismatics also adopted the eschatology of Pentecostals. I guess you might say, “We got the Holy Spirit, feathers and all.” I adopted and also taught the Premillennial view of the end times. In fact, given the circumstances in the world, there was little doubt in my mind that this was the accurate understanding of Biblical prophecy.

May 13, 1981
The evening of May 13, 1981, was the regular meeting of the Ladies’ Guild of Bethel Lutheran Church in Howard City, Mich. As pastor of the congregation, I attended the meeting and presented a topic for discussion.

May 13, 1981, was a very special evening for prophecy buffs. It could very well have been the last night that Christians would spend upon this earth. For if everything being said by the modern-day experts in Biblical prophecy was true, May 14 was the day of “the Rapture.”

As the pastor, I felt it was my responsibility to share the why and wherefore of this momentous event with these women. Being good, traditional, Lutheran laypeople, they knew very little, if anything, about Biblical prophecy. It was my task to warn them of the event that might transpire within the next 24 hours.

By sharing this story with you, I hope to impart the essence of Premillennial thinking.

The Generation of the Fig Tree
The Biblical scenario I presented to these unsuspecting women, proving that the rapture would take place the next day, began with an interpretation of Matt. 24:32-34. Jesus said:

Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

What generation was Jesus talking about? Many scholars believed that it was the generation of the people that Jesus was addressing and that the events He was predicting were not the end of the world, but rather the destruction of Jerusalem. In fact, within 40 years, Jerusalem would be utterly destroyed.

While that is all well and good, there was another way of looking at these words of Jesus - a way that caused these predictions to become very real in the here and now.

From the notes in my Scofield Bible, I knew there would be a future restoration of Israel in the land. In Ez. 34:13, the prophet predicted that God would gather the Jews from the nations and bring them into their own land. Writing his notes in 1908, Scofield stated that this referred to a future restoration of the nation of Israel, or, as some perceived it, the budding of the fig tree. In the Old Testament, the nation of Israel was referred to as a fig tree. In Matt. 21:19, Jesus cursed the fig tree because it had no fruit. This was perceived as a rejection of Israel.

Well, on May 14, 1948, the fig tree budded. Israel became a nation as a result of a United Nations declaration. This date was vital to all Biblical prophecy experts. Israel was in the land. The countdown to the end had begun. We were indeed the generation of the fig tree. It was this generation that would see the end of all things. Since a generation was 40 years, the end would be in 1988.

Those who taught this view also taught, from Scripture, that before the end of all things, there would be a tribulation period of seven years according to the prophecies of Daniel. Rev. 7:14 speaks of the Great Tribulation. During those seven years, the anti-Christ would arise. He would be a political figure and, according to Dan. 7:24-25, he would be given authority by ten kings. Since the European Common market was forming and nearly ten nations had already come together, the time of the anti-Christ was soon upon us.

Other signs of the rise of the anti-Christ were obvious. Given the fact that scanning devices were beginning to become evident in grocery stores, could the “mark of the beast” be far behind? We would soon be in the position of having to make a choice when the government brands us with a mark on the right hand or forehead, without which we would not be able to buy or sell, according to Revelation 13.

In addition, Ezekiel 38 and 39 warned about the invasion of Israel by “Gog and Magog.” According to the notes in my Scofield Bible, this referred to a time when Israel was in the land and Russia, advancing from the north, would invade them. The politics at that time allowed for this to be a very real possibility. The book of Ezekiel stated that God will destroy the Russian army and the buzzards would eat their flesh. A tract was being circulated that claimed the buzzards were laying twice as many eggs in Israel in order to have enough troops to eat the Russians. (I often wondered how they knew this.)

In 1967, the armies of Israel had captured the old city of Jerusalem, including temple mount. According to Ezekiel 40ff., the millennial temple was to be built. Everything was in order. An interesting rumor circulated that the stones for the temple were already carved out of Bedford, Ind., limestone and were hidden in caves. Other rumors stated that the Ark of the Covenant had been discovered under the temple site and that plans to rebuild were underway.

It was happening!
In 1978, I led my first trip to the land of Israel. There were four groups of Lutheran Charismatics taking the trip. I led one of the groups. The purpose of the trip was to attend a “Prophecy Conference” in Jerusalem, led by Derek Prince. Since so much of my thinking had been influenced by the popular Premillennial prophetic notions of the day, it was an exciting trip. Things were happening in the land. The people were restored. God seemed to be on their side as they went to battle against the enemies who surrounded them.

Prince spoke on the subject of parallel restorations, comparing the events in Israel with the events marking the growth of the Charismatic Movement. In 1948, when Israel became a nation, both the Billy Graham crusades and the Latter Rain Movement (early roots of the Charismatic Movement) started. In 1967, when Israel took the old city of Jerusalem, the Holy Spirit was poured out upon Roman Catholics at Notre Dame. In 1971, the Yom Kippur war broke out in Israel while the Holy Spirit moved mightily on the different denominations. For one participating in these events, these connections were obvious.

What was happening at the Dead Sea was very interesting. Zechariah 14 spoke of the return of the Messiah to the Mount of Olives, causing a great earthquake that would split the mount in two. Living water would flow from temple mount.

This stream of living water coming out of temple mount would flow to the Dead Sea and, according to Ezekiel (47:8ff):

This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, where it enters the Sea. When it empties into the Sea, the water there becomes fresh. Swarms of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh so where the river flows everything will live. Fishermen will stand along the shore from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds - like the fish of the Great Sea. But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh they will be left for salt.

Well, parts of this prophecy were already in place. The Dead Sea had been divided due to the lack of water flowing down from the Sea of Galilee. The fresh water from the Galilee was being pumped into the desert so that the “desert was blooming,” as Is. 35:1-2 stated.

This lack of water to the Dead Sea divided the sea. As Ezekiel predicted, a portion would be left for salt after the rest of the Sea had been sweetened with the living water pouring out of temple mount. We even took a dip in the Dead Sea at En Gedi, rejoicing that one day this would be sweet water after Jesus returned. In fact, our guide, who catered to end-of-the-world-minded Christians, showed us fish ponds near the northern-most part of the Dead Sea which, according to his explanation, were being prepared for the time when the Dead Sea would be sweetened.

Back to May 13, 1981
A very important ingredient in the Premillennial scenario was “the rapture.” Christians would not pass through the great seven-year tribulation. They would be taken out or snatched away and be with the Lord. In Matt. 24:38-41, Jesus spoke of one being taken and one being left. Also, 1 Thess. 4:17 “clearly” spoke of the Rapture:

After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

The Rapture of the church was imminent. Hal Lindsey had stated that it was the next event in the prophetic scenario. I had a bumper sticker that read, “In case of rapture, this car will self-destruct.” My favorite song was “The King Is Coming.” According to the Premillennial scenario, the end of all things would be in 1988, or 40 years after Israel occupied in the land and the “fig tree blossoms.” If you deduct seven years for the Tribulation, this means that on May 14, 1981, the rapture of the Church would take place. Therefore, this was a very exciting evening to be alive!

I shared every detail with the women of the Bethel Lutheran Church Ladies’ Guild. After my presentation, one little elderly woman said, “Reverend, why are you scaring us?”

Well, May 14, 1988, came and went, and nothing happened. In fact, 1988 came and went and nothing happened. Since that time, the Soviet Union has disbanded. The European Common Market now includes far more than ten members and Israel is giving land back to the Palestinians. When the events did not pan out, some prophecy “experts” redated the blooming of the fig tree to 1967, when Israel occupied the old city of Jerusalem. This would put the time of the end in the year 2007 and the “rapture” in the year 2000. The Y2K scare also fueled the notion that this would be the start of the tribulation. Again, it didn’t happen.

Having bought into this Premillennial way of thinking and living with great expectations that came to absolutely nothing brought me to the conclusion that this theology is the greatest hoax ever visited upon unsuspecting Christians. The hoax lives on. Despite of unfulfilled predictions, the thinking persists.

The Roots of the System
I embraced the Premillennial Dispensational way of thinking because it appeared to be the most reasonable explanation of the events that were occurring. It is the primary end-time position taught within much of modern Evangelical Christianity, even though all the predictions that have arisen as a result of this view have come to naught. What is the source of this teaching? How did it arise?

In 1832, Edward Irving (1792-1834) established the Catholic Apostolic Church and taught the imminent return of Jesus Christ. Irving believed there had to be a reestablishment of the 12 apostles before Jesus would return. He appointed these 12 apostles. Of course, one by one, they eventually died and Jesus never returned. John Nelson Darby, who founded the Plymouth Brethren in 1847 in England and Ireland, spearheaded the dispensational interpretation of the Bible. He was widely influenced by Edward Irving. Darby taught that Biblical history is divided into seven “dispensations” or periods of time. The final dispensation would be the 1000-year millennial reign of Christ on earth. An important key to understanding Dispensationalism is the notion that God will reestablish an earthly kingdom with the nation of Israel. For this reason, the events in Israel are of vital importance for the Premillennial Dispensationalist. Before the coming of Jesus, the temple would be rebuilt and the sacrificial system reinstated.

Because this kingdom was offered and then refused by the Jews, it would be offered again in the future. By crucifying Jesus, the Jews rejected the kingdom, but God did not reject Israel. As an after-thought or a parenthesis, Christ then went on to establish the church because Gentiles now believed what the Jews rejected. This is the “Church Age” spoken of by Dispensationalists and it must end before God can re-establish His primary work with the Jews. The church age ends with the rapture. Darby’s Dispensational ideas caught on like wildfire in America, and were widely spread by the Scofield Reference Bible. Scofield, a layman, having studied Biblical prophecy for 30 years, added notes to the text of Scripture promoting Darby¹s Dispensational theology. Many Christians today regard Scofield’s notes as being equally inspired as the Bible itself.

Apparently, however, neither Darby nor Scofield originated the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture. Darby was inspired by a woman named Margaret MacDonald who reported a revelation given to her by God during a healing service in Port Glasgow, Scotland, in 1830. MacDonald reported that in her vision, there was a two-stage process to the Second Coming of Christ. The first stage, the rapture, removed the church from this world. Christians would be caught up before the great tribulation and be taken to heaven. After the tribulation, Jesus would return to earth and establish His millennial kingdom. These ideas were embraced by Darby, promoted by Scofield and developed more fully in many of the Bible schools like Moody, Fuller and especially Dallas Theological Seminary during the 20th century in the United States. Many of the more fanatical proponents of the premillennial view are graduates of Dallas Theological Seminary.

Bad Theology
This theological system is replete with errors.

1. The present-day nation of Israel is no more involved in God’s plans for the future than is France, England, Germany, the United States, etc. The teaching of the New Testament is very clear - Jesus fulfilled everything pertaining to Israel and formed the New Israel, His church. It is an abomination to claim that the church is merely a parenthesis or an afterthought in the divine scheme of redemption. In fact, the Bible clearly states that the plans of God and the wisdom of God will be revealed in His church (Eph. 3:8-11).

2. Much of the “tribulation prophecy” in the Old Testament prophets, the Olivet discourses of our Lord Jesus, and the Book of Revelation was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. When Jesus said in Matt. 24:32-34 that “this generation will not pass away,” He was not referring to some future generation that would see the political nation of Israel established by the United Nations. He was referring to the generation alive at the time He spoke the words. His words were fulfilled. In 70 A.D. Jerusalem was utterly destroyed. In fact, there is a view of Biblical prophecy called Preterism. Those who hold the view claim that all futuristic prophecy was fulfilled in the First Century.

3. The teaching of two “second comings” of Jesus is not Biblical. As the Apostles’ Creed simply states, “From thence he shall come to judge the living and the dead.” On the mount of Ascension the angels told the disciples that He would come again in the same way they saw Him depart into heaven. Nowhere does the Bible teach two “second comings.” The language of 1 Thess. 4:17 does not allow for the “rapture” teaching. The phrase “to meet the Lord” literally means “to meet for the purpose of welcoming back.” The Greek phrase “to meet” ( eis apanthsin) is only used on four occasions in the New Testament. In each case it means to go out to meet for the purpose of welcoming. (See, for example, Acts 28:15.)

Conclusion
Premillennial Dispensationalism is a deceptive teaching. Those who promote these views and fill the minds of God’s people with this nonsense are perpetrating a hoax.

Jesus is coming again. This is our glorious hope. Jesus told us to be about the business of preaching and teaching His Gospel and not speculate about His second coming. Those who believe in Jesus and trust His blood and righteousness for their salvation are prepared for His coming. “Even so, come Lord Jesus!”


10 posted on 04/13/2010 12:03:15 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: hope_dies_last

Whether or not it was, here it is.


11 posted on 04/13/2010 12:07:39 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Matchett-PI

“Those who believe in Jesus and trust His blood and righteousness for their salvation are prepared for His coming.”

Those who believe in Jesus and trust His blood and righteousness for their salvation are prepared for His coming IF they’re watching and praying that they’re worthy to avoid the coming wrath.

Not all people who profess to be Christians are prepared.


12 posted on 04/13/2010 12:30:06 PM PDT by bigcat32
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To: hope_dies_last

I don’t know. I don’t know.


13 posted on 04/13/2010 12:55:09 PM PDT by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: hope_dies_last

I don’t think so.


14 posted on 04/13/2010 1:10:50 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: hope_dies_last

Yes, we are Babylon, and we will be destroyed.


15 posted on 04/13/2010 1:17:31 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: bigcat32
You are completely correct in your assertion. Only Jesus saves and only those that trust in Him will be saved. From looking at the others' commentts, it is easy to rush to judgement on this posting. It has nothing to do with Hal Lindley, America-Israel replacement theology, Ted Armstrong, pre-millenial or mid-millenial. God's people will endure the tribulation that will come upon the earth and Jesus promised to be with us until the end. The prophecy we are discussing here has to do with the Lamb-like beast of Revelation, chapter 13. This is no gimmcik and anyone who wants to investigate this further can do so at the website. In regards to the fellow-freeper who said this was a "tease", here is a little more theology behind this. Study the scriptures to find yourself approved...

AMERICA IN PROPHECY: Is the United States of America spotlighted in Bible prophecy?

Not every nation is in the Bible and Prophecy. But because the United States influences and will continue to influence the entire world, it is in the Bible.

TWO BEASTS OF REVELATION 13: Two great global forces and powers in the last days.

“Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon.” Revelation 13:11

THE SYMBOL OF A BEAST: What does a beast represent? = Kingdom or Nation. “Thus he said: ‘The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth…” Daniel 7:23

LOCATION: Where does this power arise?

“The waters which you saw…are people’s multitudes, and nations, and tongues.” Revelation 17:15

This new beast comes up out of the earth or an unpopulated area. TIMING: When does this power arise?

“He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity” Revelation 13:10

When did the Pope go into captivity? 1798. See your Encyclopedia.

In 1798 Napoleon ordered the Pope Pius 6th to be taken prisoner. This was a fulfillment of prophecy. 538 AD --------------------- 1798 AD This time period is mentioned in Daniela and Revelation seven times.

Revelation 13:5 - 42 Months x 30 = 1260 538 A.D. ---------- 1798

Why 538 A.D. because that is when the Roman decree went into effect to make the Bishop or Pontiff of Rome, the head of all churches, the definer of doctrine, and the corrector or enforcer of heretics thus ushering in the Dark Ages that would span centuries. This was a terrible time of religious persecution.

AMERICAN HISTORY: What great historic events and developments happened at this time in American history? This is truly an amazing fulfillment of Bible prophecy! Notice how we study Bible prophecy and history together because many prophecies have already been fulfilled and helps us to also understand how prophecies are also continuing to be fulfilled in our day and in very son in the future.

1775 1775 Battle for Independence.

1776 Declaration of Independence.

1787 Constitution.

1789 1st President: George Washington.

1790 Supreme Court

1791 Bill of Rights.

PEACE-LOVING: How does this power arise?

“Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb…” Revelation 13:11

TWO HORNS LIKE A LAMB. It would have a relatively peaceful rise and a gradual one.

TWO HORNS: What do the TWO HORNS LIKE A LAMB represent?

There are no crowns on the horns of the second beast.

The first beast has crowns.

Crowns indicate kingly authority.

The lack of crowns indicates freedom.

Horns are a symbol of power.

They indicate that this second beast derives its power from political and religious freedom.

LAMB: What does it mean that this has LAMB-LIKE HORNS?

It would have some type of characteristics of a harmless Lamb: Innocence, peace loving, Christ-like in some respects.

A “Church without a pope, and a state without a king.”

REVIEW: Let us review quickly, briefly what we have learned thus far about this Second Beast of Revelation 13:

Arising around 1798

Arise in a relatively unpopulated area.

It would be a young nation.

It would have no crowned head, no kingly authority.

A “Church without a pope, and a state without a king.”

What is the only nation that fits this description?

We are a blessed nation… We are a PROSPEROUS NATION

The United States in Bible Prophecy:

A beast = a power or nation.

Sea = people or populated area

Earth = Arises in a new world; sparsely populated area.

Arises around 1798.

Lamb = Freedom loving.

Lamb = Christian nation.

Two horns = Separation of powers: Civil & Religious. No crowns = Democracy

Dominant force in end events.

LAMB LIKE POWER = FREEDOM & CHRISTIAN

Read more at: www.americainprophecy.com

16 posted on 04/13/2010 1:29:57 PM PDT by hope_dies_last
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To: Matchett-PI
Darby was inspired by a woman named Margaret MacDonald ...

Tell a lie often enough it becomes the truth. This bs has been dealt with on numerous occassions here on FR but you "Matt 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD"-ers just keep beating the drum.

I really believe that all the reformed folks will be in a separate section of heaven ... to maintain for them the illusion that they are the only ones there.

17 posted on 04/13/2010 1:44:43 PM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: hope_dies_last

No.

And here’s the proof-text:


18 posted on 04/13/2010 1:47:38 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: hope_dies_last
Is the United States of America in Bible Prophecy?

Seriously doubt it.

http://www.americainprophecy.com

Hmm. SDA?

19 posted on 04/13/2010 2:26:41 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Matchett-PI

One thing’s for sure, when the Rapture occurs, I won’t be here to say, “I told you so!”


20 posted on 04/13/2010 3:36:06 PM PDT by Library Lady
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To: Library Lady

“One thing’s for sure, when the Rapture occurs, I won’t be here to say, “I told you so!”” ~ Library Lady

“When”? Here, this may help you narrow down the time element:

DON’T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT THE NEW ANTICHRIST DETECTOR!
http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/features/religion/17721

New Antichrist detector will keep you safe for just 3 EZ payments of $19.95, say Japanese inventors
By KEVIN JONES

TOKYO - Scientists have invented a nifty new handheld device that promises to take the guesswork out of identifying the Antichrist!
The Antichrist Detector, as the high-tech gadget is called, can pinpoint evil Satan’s earthly incarnation at up to 600 yards, according to the manufacturer, Sapporo Industries.
“The Antichrist may be the master of deception, but no matter what guise he chooses to adopt, this device will nail him instantly,” says chief designer Dr. Noburu Kanazawa.
With world events spiraling out of control and corresponding to signs of the End Times foretold in the Holy Bible, more religious scholars than ever are now firmly convinced that the Apocalypse is just around the corner.
And they believe that in keeping with biblical prophecy, the Antichrist will soon attempt to seize power worldwide.
But fingering the master of disaster will be a cinch using the device, which employs an array of super-sensitive sensors to pick up what the inventors call “demonic energy.”
“Our device is designed to pick up unusual wavelengths that would be inconsistent with an ordinary human being,” Dr. Kanazawa explained.
“It is constantly monitoring the entire spectrum, from the most obscure microwave frequencies to cosmic radiation.”
When the gizmo recognizes that Antichrist is in close proximity, an LED flashes a red warning light and an arrow points to the direction where he - or she - is standing.

Sapporo Industries says it will begin a massive marketing blitz in the United States by Thanksgiving, offering the detectors to all comers for three payments of $19.95 via TV infomercials.


21 posted on 04/13/2010 4:37:08 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Ha ha.


22 posted on 04/13/2010 4:49:44 PM PDT by Library Lady
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To: hope_dies_last

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23 posted on 04/13/2010 4:53:09 PM PDT by dubyagee (Thrilled to be here...)
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To: dartuser

“..you “Matt 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD”-ers just keep beating the drum.” ~ dartuser

And you “careless readers” just keep getting it wrong. Tsk, tsk.

Please note the phrase, “as distinguised from” in the sentence below:

_Much_ of the prophecy of the Bible was fulfilled in 70 AD. To be distinguished from a view some call, “pantelism” — and others, “full preterism” — which is heresy (the idea that _all_ Bible prophecy is now fulfilled, including prophecies of the resurrection for example.)

The Olivet Discourse and Prophetic Fulfillment
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/olivet01.html

Did Paul expect Christ to return soon?
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/paulend.html

Daniel, the Son of Man, and the Little Horns
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/danman.html

Scheduling “The Day of the Lord”
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/dayofl.html


24 posted on 04/13/2010 5:04:30 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: umgud

***Why the tease? Why not just tell us?***

Because then they wouldn’t sell books.

Did you know that in the year 1,000 calendar makers (presumably on papyrus or something similar REFUSED to make any calendars because they believed that there would be no more world to buy them?


25 posted on 04/13/2010 6:01:17 PM PDT by kitkat (Obama hates us. Well, maybe a LOT of Kenyans do.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Sapporo Industries.

- - - - -
Isn’t that a brand of Sake?

If so, then the logic here makes a whole lot more sense.


26 posted on 04/13/2010 6:05:21 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christan - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: hope_dies_last
Matthew 24:36, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."
 
Better odds of guessing where the ball will land on a roulette wheel.  Everyone who has made these bold predictions has been thoroughly embarrased.
 
Good Luck though.  (red 26!)

27 posted on 04/13/2010 6:22:27 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

We have been given clues in Revelations and also in Daniel ...


28 posted on 04/13/2010 6:41:27 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Those That Turn Their Swords into Plows Will Plow For Those That Don't.)
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To: hope_dies_last

Can the United States of America be found in the Bible’s prophecies?
__________________________________________

Is it ????

Source ???

Bible scripture and referrences please...


29 posted on 04/13/2010 6:57:09 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SkyDancer
 
Yes we have, but looking back through history there have been many other prognosticators that
 

30 posted on 04/13/2010 7:10:04 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Vendome

Well compared to which version of the Rapture you believe in that was small stuff ....


31 posted on 04/13/2010 7:12:04 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Those That Turn Their Swords into Plows Will Plow For Those That Don't.)
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To: kitkat
Did you know that in the year 1,000 calendar makers (presumably on papyrus or something similar REFUSED to make any calendars because they believed that there would be no more world to buy them?

Alright Inspector Clouseau, do you have any sources for either claim?

33 posted on 04/13/2010 7:39:48 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

those are some amazing pictures.


34 posted on 04/13/2010 7:56:29 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: unkus

That made no sense to me (US not a viable nation) until the current times. First time in my life. I think Obama and the banksters and the Congress are taking us down.


35 posted on 04/13/2010 10:04:51 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

That made no sense to me (US not a viable nation) until the current times. First time in my life. I think Obama and the banksters and the Congress are taking us down.


There is absolutely no doubt about their intentions. What evil, vile people.


36 posted on 04/13/2010 10:36:24 PM PDT by unkus
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To: hope_dies_last; Jeremiah Jr; null and void; Diego1618; Armageddon; Yehuda; sheik yerbouty; ...
Is the United States of America in Bible Prophecy? Is the United States in Bible Prohecy?

Gen 41:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass.

37 posted on 04/13/2010 11:23:00 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: hope_dies_last
v

Well...

If you'd left out BIBLE and had inserted SCRIPTURE; thgen YES, USA is in 'scripture'.


But; it's MORMON 'scripture'.


 
 
 
 

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 
THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541
 
 

  1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
  2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
  3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
  4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
  5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
  6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
  7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
  8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
  9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
  10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
  11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
  12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
  13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith


38 posted on 04/14/2010 4:52:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: kitkat

Y1K

Nothing new under the sun.


39 posted on 04/14/2010 4:54:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: reaganaut
Isn’t that a brand of Sake?

I thought it was an island near Greece.

40 posted on 04/14/2010 4:55:15 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Bible scripture and referrences please...

Here ya go!!


Proverbs 14:34
Righteousness exalts a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.

41 posted on 04/14/2010 4:56:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MarkBsnr

EEEeeeee’s not my dog!


42 posted on 04/14/2010 4:57:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vendome

Oh?

I must had gotten here past there expiration date...


43 posted on 04/14/2010 4:57:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Matchett-PI

DeMar drivel ...


44 posted on 04/14/2010 5:25:15 AM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: Matchett-PI

Love it !


45 posted on 04/14/2010 5:39:14 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: dartuser
"drivel ..."

Quite the scholary rebuttle you made, there. But I can understand... this IS pretty embarrassing for biblically illiterate fundies to have floating around out there.

Then there's this, which only makes it worse for them in the credibility department:

"...It doesn't take very long to realize that a thorough understanding of the Bible -- and this would actually apply to any complex work from any culture -- requires specialized knowledge, and a broad range of specialized knowledge in a variety of fields. Obviously the vast majority of believers spend their entire lives doing little more than reading the Bible in English (or whatever native tongue) and importing into its words whatever ideas they derive from their own experiences. This process is very often one of "decontextualizing"....CLICK

Richard Erdoes: "On the last day of the year 999, according to an ancient chronicle, the old basilica of St. Peter's at Rome was thronged with a mass of weeping and trembling worshippers awaiting the end of the world. This was the dreaded eve of the millennium, the Day of Wrath when the earth would dissolve into ashes. Many of those present had fiven away all of their possessions to the poor - lands, homes, and household goods - in order to assure for themselves forgiveness for their trespasses at the Last Judgment and a good place in heaven near the footstool of the Almighty. Many poor sinners - and who among them was not without sin? had entered the church in sackcloth and ashes, having already spent weeks and months doing penance and mortifying the flesh ... the last day of the year 999 and the first day of the year 1000 had come and gone. Yet still the earth stood still and people still lived." (A.D.2000: Living on the Brink of Apocalypse, 1,194.) ..."

46 posted on 04/14/2010 6:35:45 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: reaganaut
"Sapporo Industries. - Isn’t that a brand of Sake? If so, then the logic here makes a whole lot more sense."

Could be. I'll bet we'd find lots of entrepreneur types down through the ages just like them who geared up to provide aid and assistance to all the "end-timers" in their day. The "end-times madness" has been going on a LONG time.

Origins of Millennial Heresy (It didn't begin with Darby and Scofield - they were late to the game)

The Millennium doctrine started in an ungodly heretic by the name of Cerinthus, who lived in the first century. It is true that the Jews generally believed that the Messiah would establish a literal or earthly kingdom. And even some of them believed that Messiah's reign would last a thousand years. We here give an extract from Neander's History of Christian Dogmas, Vol. 1, Page 248.

"The idea of a Millennial reign proceeded from Judaism; for among the Jews the representation was current that the Messiah would reign a thousand years upon earth. . . . Such products of Jewish imagination passed over into Christianity."

As before stated, Cerinthus was the first to attempt to introduce this doctrine under Christianity. Let history speak. In Eusebius's Ecclesiastical History, Book III, Chapter 28, is preserved a fragment from the writings of Caius, who lived about the close of the second century, which gives us the following account of Cerinthus's heresy:

"But Cerinthus, too, through revelations written, as he would have us believe, by a great apostle, brings before us marvelous things, which he pretends were shown him by angels; alleging that after the resurrection the kingdom of Christ is to be on earth, and that the flesh dwelling in Jerusalem is again to be subject to desires and pleasures. And being an enemy to the scriptures of God, wishing to deceive men, he says that there is to be space of a thousand years for marriage festivities." "One of the doctrines he taught was, that Christ would have an earthly kingdom."

This is the true origin of the Millennium theory. The reader will observe how lightly our author speaks of Cerinthus's idea of the kingdom of Christ being set up on earth after the resurrection. He says this doctrine was "something which he [Cerinthus] pretends was shown to him by angels." Caius must therefore have believed the orthodox teachings of the scriptures, that Christ's kingdom was set up at his first coming. Observe also that Caius calls Cerinthus "an enemy to the scriptures of God," and one who was "wishing to deceive men." This language he uses with special reference to the one thousand years Cerinthus claimed would be spent in sensuality. Notice also that Cerinthus believed in an earthly kingdom.

Cerinthus lived in the days of the apostle John. We will now call your attention to the attitude of the beloved apostle toward this Millennial teacher. Irenaeus, who was born about 120 A. D. and was acquainted with Polycarp, the disciple of John, [Eusebius's Eccl. Hist., V. 24], states that while John was at Ephesus, he entered a bath to wash and found that Cerinthus was within, and refused to bathe in the same bath house, but left the building, and exhorted those with him to do the same, saying, "Let us flee, lest the bath fall in, as long as Cerinthus, that enemy of the truth, is within." (Eusebius's Eccl. Hist., III. 28).

Let this be a rebuke to modern Millennial advocates. They claim their doctrine is well founded in the Apocalypse of John. But John called the founder of their theory "that enemy of the truth."

"Cerinthus required his followers to worship the supreme God.... He promised them a resurrection of their bodies, which would be succeeded by exquisite delights in the Millenary reign of Christ.... For Cerinthus supposed that Christ would hereafter return . . . and would reign with his followers a thousand years in Palestine." (Mosheim's Eccl. Hist., Page 50)

"Cerinthus required his followers to retain part of the Mosaical law, but to regulate their lives by the example of Christ: and taught that after the resurrection Christ would reign upon earth, with his faithful disciples, a thousand years, which would be spent in the highest sensual indulgences. This mixture of Judaism and Oriental philosophy was calculated to make many converts, and this sect soon became very numerous. They admitted a part of St. Matthew's Gospel but rejected the rest, and held the epistles of St. Paul in great abhorrence." (Gregory and Ruter's Church History., Page 30)

"Even though the floods of the nations and the vain superstitions of heretics should revolt against their true faith, they are overcome, and shall be dissolved as the foam, because Christ is the rock by which, and on which, the church is founded. And thus it is overcome by no [16] traces of maddened men. Therefore they are not to be heard who assure themselves that there is to be an earthly reign of a thousand years; who think, that is to say, with the heretic Cerinthus. For the kingdom of Christ is now eternal in his saints." (From a commentary on the Apocalypse, by Victorinus, Ante-Nicene Fathers)

Thank God for the united testimony of history. Observe how closely the modern Millennium teachers cling to the doctrines of their founder. Cerinthus taught that "Christ will have an earthly kingdom." "After the resurrection the kingdom of Christ is to be on earth." "The resurrection would be followed by exquisite delights in the Millenary reign of Christ." " That Christ would hereafter return, and would reign with his followers a thousand years in Palestine." The only difference is that his modern followers have dropped the idea of sensuality. But how did the early church regard the doctrine of Cerinthus? The apostle John called Cerinthus "that enemy of the truth." They taught that "they are not to be heard who assure themselves that there is to be an earthly reign of a thousand years."

What was the doctrine of the early church according to history? "Christ is the rock on which, and by which the church is founded." "The kingdom of Christ is now eternal in his saints." "It was the universal feeling among primitive Christians that they were living in the last period of the world's history." (Encyclopedia Britannica, Vol. VIII.. Page 534). The reason they believed this was because the New Testament was their faith, and this is the doctrine of the New Testament throughout. No wonder Cerinthus and his followers "rejected part of St. Matthew's Gospel, and held the epistles of Paul in great abhorrence." Just so do modern Millennium teachers dwell very little in the plain Gospels and Epistles to prove their doctrines, but speculate in prophecy and revelation.

Having seen that Cerinthus and his false doctrine were rejected by God's church we will now come to its next chief advocate, Papias, who lived in the first half of the second century. Eusebius, under the heading "The Writings of Papias," says of him:

"The same historian also gives other accounts, which he says he adds as received by him from unwritten tradition, likewise some strange parables of our Lord, and of his doctrine, and some other matters rather too fabulous. In these he says there would be a certain Millennium after the resurrection, and that there would be a corporeal reign of Christ on this very earth; which things he appears to have imagined, as if they were authorized by the apostolic narrations, not understanding correctly those matters which they propounded mystically in their representations. For he was very limited in his comprehension, as is evident from his discourses." (Eusebius's Eccl. Hist., Book m, Chap. 39, Page 115).

Historians generally tell us that Papias was a very zealous advocate of this imaginary reign of Christ on earth. "The first distinguished opponent of this doctrine was Origen, who attacked it with great earnestness and ingenuity, and seems, in spite of some opposition to have thrown it into general discredit." (Wadington's History, Page 56).

"This obscure doctrine was probably known to but very few except the Fathers of the church, and is very sparingly mentioned by them during the first two centuries; and there is reason to believe that it scarcely attained much notoriety even among the learned Christians, until it was made a matter of controversy by Origen, and then rejected by the great majority. In fact we find Origen himself asserting that it was confined to those of the simpler sort."(Wadington's History, Page 56).

Next among the advocates of this doctrine was Nepos, a bishop in Egypt. He advocated the doctrine about A. D. 255. We here insert the following from Eusebius's History, Book VII, Chapter 23, under the heading "Nepos, and His Schism."

"He taught that the promises given to holy men in the scriptures should be understood more as the Jews understood them, and supposed that there would be a certain Millennium of sensual luxury on this earth: thinking, therefore, that he could establish his own opinion by the Revelation of John . . . He (Nepos) asserts that there will be an earthly reign of Christ." "Though Millennialism had been suppressed by the early church, it was nevertheless from time to time revived by heretical sects." (Dr. Schaff's History, Page 299).

"Nowhere in the discourses of Jesus is there a hint of a limited duration of the Messianic kingdom. The apostolic epistles are equally free from any trace of Chiliasm."(Encyclopedia Brittanica--Articles on Millennium).

To sum up the uniform voice of history, the theory of a literal kingdom and reign on the earth was gathered from Jewish fabulous "apocalypse," "unwritten tradition," "carnal misapprehensions," "pretended visions," "suppositions," and "superstitious imaginations."

Its advocates were said to be "very limited in their understanding," and "of the simple sort." Millennialism had the worst heretic in the first century for its founder, and its chief advocates thereafter were rejected by the early church.

From time to time it was revived by "heretical sects."

The vain worldly expectation that the Messiah would establish a literal kingdom caused the Jews to reject him, and his spiritual kingdom. They only wanted an earthly kingdom; hence rejected and crucified the Son of God. As soon as the church began to apostatize, and lost the glory of his spiritual kingdom, vain ambitions awakened the old Jewish desire for a literal kingdom.

And so it has come to pass that we have at this time of dead formality a multitude of men teaching the same abominable lie and false hope which crucified Christ nearly nineteen hundred years ago; namely, a literal kingdom of Christ.

Source: H. M. Riggle, "History of the Millennium," The Kingdom of God, 1899. *

Justin Martyr (A.D.150) CHAP. XI.--WHAT KINGDOM CHRISTIANS LOOK FOR.: "And when you hear that we look for a kingdom, you suppose, without making any inquiry, that we speak of a human kingdom; whereas we speak of that which is with God, as appears also from the confession of their faith made by those who are charged with being Christians, though they know that death is the punishment awarded to him who so confesses. Forif we looked for a human kingdom, we should also deny our Christ, that we might not be slain; and we should strive to escape detection, that we might obtain what we expect. But since our thoughts are not fixed on the present, we are not concerned when men cut us off; since also death is a debt which must at all events be paid."(First Apology of Justin Martyr, ch. 11)

Epiphanes (315-403): "There is indeed a millennium mentioned by St.John; but the most, and those pious men, look upon those words as true indeed, but to be taken in a spiritual sense." (Heresies, 77:26.)

Robert G. Clouse: "At the Council of Ephesus in 431, belief in the millennium was condemned as superstitious." (Clouse, The Meaning of the Millennium, p. 9.) J.A.W. Neander (1837): "Among the Jews the representation was growing that the messiah would reign 1000 years upon the earth. Such products of Jewish imagination passed over into Christianity. " (History of Christian Dogmas, Vol. I, pg. 248)

Richard Erdoes: "On the last day of the year 999, according to an ancient chronicle, the old basilica of St. Peter's at Rome was thronged with a mass of weeping and trembling worshippers awaiting the end of the world. This was the dreaded eve of the millennium, the Day of Wrath when the earth would dissolve into ashes. Many of those present had fiven away all of their possessions to the poor - lands, homes, and household goods - in order to assure for themselves forgiveness for their trespasses at the Last Judgment and a good place in heaven near the footstool of the Almighty. Many poor sinners - and who among them was not without sin? had entered the church in sackcloth and ashes, having already spent weeks and months doing penance and mortifying the flesh ... the last day of the year 999 and the first day of the year 1000 had come and gone. Yet still the earth stood still and people still lived." (A.D.2000: Living on the Brink of Apocalypse, 1,194.)

Joseph Hall (1574-1656): "The main grounde of all their Heterodoxie in this point, is that they put a meerly-literall construction upon the prophesies and promies of Scripture which the Holy Ghost intended onely to be spiritually understood..." (Anonymously published The Revelation Unrevealed concerning the Thousand-Yeares Reigne of the Saints with Christ upon Earth (1650)

Robert Baillie (1645): "AMONG all the Sparkles of new light wherewith our Brethren do entertain their own and the people’s fancy, there is none more pleasant than that of the thousand years; a conceit of the most Ancient and gross Heretic Cerinthus, a little purged by Papias, and by him transmitted to some of the Greek and Latin Fathers, but quickly declared, both by the Greek and Latin Church to be a great errour, if not an heresy. Since the days of Augustine unto our time, it went under no other notion, and was embraced by no Christian we hear of, till some of the Anabaptists did draw it out of its grave" (Source: A Dissuasive From the Errors of the Time - The thousand years of Christ his visible Reign upon earth, is against Scripture)

Christianity Today: "In City of God, Augustine (354-430) viewed the thousand years of Revelation 20 not as some special future time but "the period beginning with Christ's first coming," that is, the age of the Christian church. Throughout this age, the saints reign with Christ­not in the fullness of the coming kingdom prepared for those blessed by God the Father, but "in some other and far inferior way." This position, often called "amillennial," became the view of most Christians in the West, including the Reformers, for almost 1,500 years."

Lorraine Boettner (1957): "So dependent is Premillennialism of the first 10 verses in Revelation 20, which it takes literally and then relies primarily on Old Testament kingdom prophecies for proof, that had it not been for this misinterpretation, the system as such probably never would have arisen." (The Millennium, rev. ed, Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed, [1957] 1984, p. 11)

"We call attention also to the completely disproportionate emphasis that the premillennial system places on the Book of Revelation. For according to that interpretation chapters 4 through 19, a total of 16 chapters, are used to describe the comparatively short seven year Tribulation, while only six verses in chapter 20 are used to describe the glorious one thousand year reign of Christ upon the earth, with all the great and mighty events that undoubtedly would happen during that time. Such a method of interpretation is absurd on the face of it. The order should at least be reversed." (The Millennium, rev. ed, Phillipsburg, NJ: Presbyterian and Reformed, [1957] 1984, p. 202)

James M. Efird (1989): "If one examines the texts carefully, however, it becomes rather obvious that John is not talking about the earth but is describing a scene in heaven. The martyrs are in heaven here and in every other place in Revelation (cf. 6:9-10). These martyrs are reigning with Christ in heaven, not for one thousand literal years but completely, totally." (Revelation for Today: An Apocalyptic Approach, Nashville, TN: Abingdon Press, 1989, p. 115)

David Chilton (1985): "One of the antichrists who afflicted the early church was Cerinthus, the leader of a first-century Judaistic cult. Regarded by the Church Fathers as "the Arch-heretic," and identified as one of the "false apostles" who opposed Paul, Cerinthus was a Jew who joined the Church and began drawing Christians away from the orthodox faith. He taught that a lesser deity, and not the true God, had created the world (holding, with the Gnostics, that God was much too "spiritual" to be concerned with material reality). Logically, this meant also a denial of the Incarnation, since God would not take to Himself a physical body and truly human personality. And Cerinthus was consistent: he declared that Jesus had merely been an ordinary man, not born of a virgin; that "the Christ" (a heavenly spirit) had descended upon the man Jesus at His baptism (enabling Him to perform miracles), but then left Him again at the crucifixion. Cerinthus also advocated a doctrine of justification by works ­ in particular, the absolute necessity of observing the ceremonial ordinances of the Old Covenant in order to be saved."

Etc., etc., ad infinitum. bttt

47 posted on 04/14/2010 7:04:19 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Jim Wallis speaks for Christians the same way that Jesse Jackson speaks for all blacks.)
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To: Elsie

Huh?


48 posted on 04/14/2010 7:13:09 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: Matchett-PI

You are posting from the Weekly World News?

Wasn’t that the weekly tabloid joke paper?


49 posted on 04/14/2010 7:33:50 AM PDT by hripka (There are a lot of smart people out there in FReeperLand)
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To: Ezekiel
Genesis is Prophecy? Also, I don't see anything indicating America, except perhaps in the broadest most generic sense that could relate to anything, anything at all from toenail clippings on up.
50 posted on 04/14/2010 7:39:23 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 447 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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