Skip to comments.Pastor: What Would Jesus Say to Tiger Woods and Jesse James?
Posted on 04/20/2010 6:53:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
What would Jesus say to Tiger Woods and Jesse James?" posed the pastor of a Texas megachurch.
Addressing the recent celebrity scandals and adulterous affairs that have been adorning tabloids and magazines for the past several months, Pastor Kerry Shook of Woodlands Church challenged the congregation not to cast any more stones than have already been thrown.
"A lot of people have been throwing rocks at Tiger Woods and Jesse James," Shook said, alluding to the New Testament account of the adulterous woman the Pharisees wanted to have stoned.
"I'm not going to pick up another stone and add to what's happening here," he said Sunday, noting the gossip and water cooler talk surrounding the scandals.
Shook, author of bestselling book One Month to Live, began a message series earlier this month titled "Sacred," teaching the thousands at his megachurch about treating what is uniquely valuable as uniquely valuable rather than common.
Sexual intimacy is one of those gifts that seems to have lost its sacredness in society today, he noted.
"Most people treat God's sacred gift of sexual intimacy as common, casual, no big deal when God says it's to be treated as an uncommon, beautiful, wonderful, valuable, sacred gift in the marriage relationship," said Shook.
While sexual intimacy within marriage is beautiful and for the couple's enjoyment, outside of marriage it is destructive, the pastor pointed out.
Answering the curious question raised at the start of his sermon, Shook said, "I think Jesus would say to Tiger Woods and Jesse James and to me and to you 'I don't condone your sin. In fact, your sin is the reason why I had to go to a cross and die an excruciatingly painful and humiliating death on a Roman cross.
"'But I don't condemn you. I offer you forgiveness.'"
Famed golfer Woods and James, who builds custom motorcycles and is married to actress Sandra Bullock, have been on the hot seat since shocking allegations of infidelity surfaced. Each celebrity has allegedly had a number of mistresses and divorce is reportedly looming for both.
Amid the ongoing reports and public interest in the stories, Shook chose to address the matter for his message on "Sacred Love and Sex."
"What better way to show God's relevance than to pick something that's on the front page of every tabloid in America," the Woodlands pastor commented in a statement.
Before being quick to judge the celebrities, Shook reminded the congregation that all sin is sin to God, whether it is physically acted out or not.
"We always judge these ... outward sins that are so salacious," he said. "Everybody gossips; ... it makes us feel better about ourselves. But the sins of the heart (i.e. lust) are just as destructive, Jesus says."
"There are different consequences for different sins. There's no doubt," he noted. "The sins that these two guys have committed are really bringing about some terrible consequences, especially for their families and for themselves.
"[But] we can't compare ourselves. It keeps us from working on issues in our own lives."
"I just hope that we understand that every one of us need to work on our own lives," he underlined.
Addressing the general crowd, Shook preached on the readiness of God to forgive.
"Whenever you commit adultery or a sin like that that hurts, destroys marriage, you come to God and ask for forgiveness. He forgives instantly and He starts restoring your life instantly," Shook preached. "But it takes time to build trust back."
"We need to come to God for forgiveness because we're all sinners."
Woodlands Church is a multi-site church with more than 16,000 weekly attendees.
Jesus Would say “Repent and Believe the Gospel” just like he says to everybody else.
There are two sides to every story. Was Tiger wrong? Yup; but why was his wife content to stay home and play with the kids for the months when Tiger was out on the road by himself. Why didn’t she travel with the kids, with him while he was on tour? If she had, would he have cheated? Would he have been tempted?
When a wife makes herself unavailable for sex, either by rejection or by intentional absence - and other options become available, what does she think is going to happen?
IMHO, she had her life set (Millions in the bank, her lifestyle fully funded, kids, she never has to lift a finger the rest of her life - not bad for a bikini-model has-been). Once she had what she wanted, she didn’t care whether Tiger lived or died. Her needs were met, and that’s all that mattered. Now, she can take Millions, and play the victim .... her perfect ‘checkmate’.
"You've been a very bad boy, Eldrick, but while I have you here, I seem to have been hooking my drives a lot lately, you got any tips?"
Tiger’s behavior after he was married was no different than before he was married. Maybe Tiger didn’t want Elin to travel with him.
Go forth and multiply?
Or Jesse the Tiger?
He would say: “You have an audience of One”.
“Go, and sin no more”.
He would tell them to repent, make amends to whom they hurt and sin no more lest something worse befall them. They might not be so lucky next time.
"Hey, Tige, give me a mulligan on that one, wouldjya?"
Stop robbing banks?
You have a lot of suspicions, but nothing to back it up with.
Do I really understand you to say that it’s ok for a man to have sex with someone other than his wife because she is not there? Yikes, does your wife know you feel this way? Interesting but wrong.
I can’t speak for Jesus, I am not that good, but, I would like to take a stick to the back of Tiger’s head and ask him ‘What were you thinking?”
What a Moron! He had the World on a string and threw it all away. For What? For time with women that you wouldn’t want to touch with their cloths on?
That’s just not right.
As for Jesse James, I thought Sandra Bullock had more class than that to start with. Now, maybe she has learned.
Wrong. There are THREE sides to every story: Yours, mine, and the truth.
(old cop saying)
I don’t know Tiger, or what he did before he was married. I don’t know if he didn’t want Elin to travel with him, or if he did and got such a large serving of misery that he never asked again.
We do know that he would often be away from home for weeks at a time, alone. There is no reason why Elin couldn’t come along - it’s not like she’s curing cancer or working on anything of significance. The kids would love to see Daddy, and a plane ride is an adventure.
Same thing with many other celebrities that end up in divorce. They focus so much on themselves, that they ignore their spouse. Even when their spouse is with them, the adoration of strangers counts more than the adoration of their spouse. What do you think is going to happen?
If your spouse ignored you, if he/she was more concerned about how they appeared or how they treated strangers, than how they appeared or treated you - do you think that would lead to maritial problems? When they treat strangers as friends, and family like strangers - then there are going to be problems.
Was Tiger in the wrong? Yup, no argument. But, did he drive to this point all by himself, or was he merely used by his wife to get what she wanted.
I can say with absolute certainty, that my wife would INSIST on travelling with me, if we were as affluent as Tiger Woods. Why? Because she loves being with me, we have fun as a couple, we are each other’s best friend - and we’d rather be sitting doing nothing together, than in paradise alone.
Um... if she’s at home and he’s gone, how is that “intentional absence” on her part?
>> Do I really understand you to say that its ok for a man to have sex with someone other than his wife because she is not there? Yikes, does your wife know you feel this way? Interesting but wrong.
I don’t think this necessarily applies to Tiger’s case ... but, in principle, I think I agree with him somewhat.
If I’m reading his post correctly, I don’t think he’s saying “its ok for a man to have sex with someone other than his wife because she’s not there.” A man is solely responsible for controlling himself, regardless of action or inaction from his wife.
My reading of his post is, even though the cheating man is fully reponsible for his actions, choices and lack of self-control — the wife of a cheating man may not be entirely blameless in the situation.
A good strong husband will not stray no matter whether the wife puts out with any regularity. A sleazeball will stray every time regardless of how often the wife is available. But, the middle-ground, weak non-sleazeballs are more likely to stray if a wife is perpetually unavailable.
My guess, however, is that Tiger is a run-of-the-mill narcissistic sleaze ... and that if his wife had traveled with him with a stripper pole in tow, he’d still have cheated at every opportunity.
No. I’m pretty sure Jesus wouldn’t say any of that.
You are making a lot of assumptions. She did after all give birth to two children. Tiger seems to be a sex addict and probably wanted Elin to stay home so he could score with more chicks. The fact that she (apparently) flew into a rage after discovering the text messages shows that she did not know what a sham Tiger was beforehand.
“Keep it zipped”
“Keep your pants on”.
“Just say NO!”
Jesus said “Go and sin no more”
Either take the Doctors advice or not.
Maybe Jesus needs to ask Phil. If Jesus wants to hit it straight then maybe ask Jim Furyk.
I never knew Jesse James second wife was a porn star. What was Sandra Bullock thinking?
So then, we should all go out and sin so that Jesus didn't die in vain?
That’s the thing that troubles me with this article. There’s all these talk about Jesus being willing to forgive but I see NO MENTION of the necessity of repentance.
Scan the entire article and you look in vain for the word — “repent”.
That is not what the poster said. If it’s what he meant he should say so.
Does she have to stay home alone? Is there any reason, any reason at all - that she couldn’t have met him on the weekends? Tiger wasn’t stuck in a dump, he stays at luxury resorts, and the locations are hardly inhospitable. Why didn’t she join him? My wife would, she would insist on accompanying me - because she loves the adventure, and we love doing things together.
It’s like tempting a recovered alcoholic with a drink. He may have been the playboy before he was married, and left alone for extended periods of time - with ample temptation, the result was almost inevitable.
People ALWAYS miss the go and sin no more part. It’s the Buddy Jesus idea. He wants to forgive us, but not so we can continue in our sin.
Having heard that line of argument before, that’s how I interpreted it. And, if I interpreted wrong ... then that’s what I say independent of the other post.
When a wife makes herself unavailable for sex, either by rejection or by intentional absence - and other options become available, what does she think is going to happen?
You have told us much about the kind of man you are, but I can take nothing ‘in general’ from your comments. Most men do NOT cheat, and yet, I’m pretty sure that all of us have had ‘other options made available’, at one time or another.
Of course we love to spout our opinions around here, it’s what we do. But you know nothing about Tiger’s wife, her life, or anything other than what you have read and chosen to believe from the mainstream media.
Congrats on forming your opinion from all of that accumulated knowledge.
We don’t know the answer to these questions, but they are not the issue.
I did say so.
I have said in almost every post “Tiger Woods was wrong”. However, I’m also saying that the fault of this is not entirely his doing. How many politicians travel with their families? How about Glenn Beck? Sean Hannity? They travel with their families - they are the moral support, the emotional support and the family that ‘works’ together. Each of them have a large RV that they travel with.
If they have an appointment across the country, they either travel to that appointment, or a rig provided when they fly in. This can be a family bonding thing - they are certainly not in the fiscal constraints that bind 99.99% of the Freepers on this board. She could fly a private jet, at a moment’s notice to anywhere her husband was, with the kids in tow.
But, no ... it’s so much easier to lay out by the pool and relax while the nanny raises the kids.
The Museum of Really Lame Excuses has a call in for you.
THank you. Men and women see these issues differently, I’m sure. My husband and I talked about this story this weekend. We both agree first that, really, none of this is anyone else’s business, however, since it is in the news, the take away is that, once you have made a commitment to another person via a marriage contract you should honor it, regardless, and if you cannot you MUST divorce them, regardless of the cost to yourself.
Tiger has a problem, in that he does not seem to be able to stop himself. I personally don’t think it’s entirely about sex, it maybe more about doing this because he can. I think he needs something in his life that he’s not going to find being a Buddhist, but a lot of people will also disagree with me on that. At any rate, I feel somewhat sorry for him, but he did make his own bed. On the other hand, I think he will again be an awesome golfer and he will again have a following in golf, altho he will never have quite the mystique he had before. What he threw away most people only dream of. It doesn’t feel like he really learned a real lesson, but who am I to say?
So, we just ignore any contributing factors? Doesn't matter what Elin did, or refused to do - no matter what she was like in private, no matter how she refused to travel with her husband - Tiger is totally and utterly at fault? Golly, I thought marriage was supposed to be a TEAM effort; I guess a husband is just a slave to whatever his wife condescends to tolerate. My mistake.
And I'm saying YOU DON'T KNOW THIS! Or.....did you read it in the Globe?
What is it that you know that we don’t. Clearly you are privy to information the rest of us are not. So, spill the beans. Tell us all about Elin in private.
BTW do you also think the Lacy Peterson deserved what she got?
Never claimed it to be an excuse; that’s something you brought to the party, not me.
What I said is that there are contributing factors. Every action has contributing factors, and part of the problem is that Tiger spent a lot of his life alone. Some men are sleazeballs that will have a mistress no matter what. Some are outstanding, that will resist temptation at every turn. Then you have the middle ground, where given a combination of being lonely and ignored by your wife, and an opportunity presents itself.
But, you have failed to address my point. Why was Elin spending months alone in their mansion, while her husband was living at a $1,000+/night resort for weeks or months every year? Why didn’t she join him?
If you had a net worth of $450 Million, and you had to spend 2+ weeks in Hawaii for an upcoming tour; would you ask your wife to join you? How about the nanny and kids? It’s not like she has a career that is taking up all of her time.
I traveled for a living much of my life. My wife stayed home with the kids.
I know human nature, I’ve been around for several decades; it goes with the territory.
The fact is that Tiger spent months every year alone, at resorts by himself.
Now, put on your thinking cap. You are alone in a $1,000/nite resort, with hundreds of millions in the bank. You are young, attractive and will be staying in the resort for the next several weeks - your spouse has no interest in joining you.
Is it beyond the grasp of reality that your celebrity status will attract young women who want to got o bed with you? Just so they can brag to their girlfriends? Any chance that after spending a couple years with this routine, that you might ‘slip’? And after a year or so of ‘slipping’, this becomes a habit.
My church has a saying.
Watch what you read, for what you read eventaully becomes what you think.
Watch what you think, because what you think may lead to actions.
Watch your actions, because your actions can become habits.
Watch your habits, because your habits form your personality; and once an aspect is part of your personality - it is now a permanent part of YOU.
“Stop robbing trains”?
Did you stay at expensive resorts, with millions in the bank? Did you ejoy the celebrity status that Tiger enjoys? Did attractive women show up at your hotel room?
Did a young attractive waitress slip you her phone number? Perhaps show up late at night at your hotel room? Tiger has no need to go looking for sex; it’s freely offered. Had a roommate who played lead guitar in what became a popular band. Talk to a rock’n roll star; they’ll tell you all about that - it’s an eye opener.
You really want to compare yourself with Tiger Woods in this category?
“Glue your danged zippers shut!”
You beat me too it! (Though I said trains.)
A little emotional, aren’t we?
Comparing a murder with a cheating husband? Take a deep breath, and when you can post an intelligent arguement, let me know.
Again, as you seem to be overlooking this .... Yes, Tiger is at fault. Tiger was a naughty boy.
But, there are some tell-tales that may have contributed to this situation. This was 100% predictable, and perhaps 10% preventable.
Tiger is a cad. End of story. My thinking cap stays on. Thank you very much. You can try to make excuses for him all day long, but he was married, he cheated and not a few times. Doesn’t matter if he was a celeb. He didn’t honor his vows. I am glad my husband doesn’t think like you do. :)
Marginalizing another poster by telling them to take a deep breath or to post something intelligent because you don’t have an answer doesn’t make you look logical.