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Pastor: What Would Jesus Say to Tiger Woods and Jesse James?
Christian Post ^ | 04/20/2010 | Lillian Kwon

Posted on 04/20/2010 6:53:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

What would Jesus say to Tiger Woods and Jesse James?" posed the pastor of a Texas megachurch.

Addressing the recent celebrity scandals and adulterous affairs that have been adorning tabloids and magazines for the past several months, Pastor Kerry Shook of Woodlands Church challenged the congregation not to cast any more stones than have already been thrown.

"A lot of people have been throwing rocks at Tiger Woods and Jesse James," Shook said, alluding to the New Testament account of the adulterous woman the Pharisees wanted to have stoned.

"I'm not going to pick up another stone and add to what's happening here," he said Sunday, noting the gossip and water cooler talk surrounding the scandals.

Shook, author of bestselling book One Month to Live, began a message series earlier this month titled "Sacred," teaching the thousands at his megachurch about treating what is uniquely valuable as uniquely valuable rather than common.

Sexual intimacy is one of those gifts that seems to have lost its sacredness in society today, he noted.

"Most people treat God's sacred gift of sexual intimacy as common, casual, no big deal when God says it's to be treated as an uncommon, beautiful, wonderful, valuable, sacred gift in the marriage relationship," said Shook.

While sexual intimacy within marriage is beautiful and for the couple's enjoyment, outside of marriage it is destructive, the pastor pointed out.

Answering the curious question raised at the start of his sermon, Shook said, "I think Jesus would say to Tiger Woods and Jesse James and to me and to you 'I don't condone your sin. In fact, your sin is the reason why I had to go to a cross and die an excruciatingly painful and humiliating death on a Roman cross.

"'But I don't condemn you. I offer you forgiveness.'"

Famed golfer Woods and James, who builds custom motorcycles and is married to actress Sandra Bullock, have been on the hot seat since shocking allegations of infidelity surfaced. Each celebrity has allegedly had a number of mistresses and divorce is reportedly looming for both.

Amid the ongoing reports and public interest in the stories, Shook chose to address the matter for his message on "Sacred Love and Sex."

"What better way to show God's relevance than to pick something that's on the front page of every tabloid in America," the Woodlands pastor commented in a statement.

Before being quick to judge the celebrities, Shook reminded the congregation that all sin is sin to God, whether it is physically acted out or not.

"We always judge these ... outward sins that are so salacious," he said. "Everybody gossips; ... it makes us feel better about ourselves. But the sins of the heart (i.e. lust) are just as destructive, Jesus says."

"There are different consequences for different sins. There's no doubt," he noted. "The sins that these two guys have committed are really bringing about some terrible consequences, especially for their families and for themselves.

"[But] we can't compare ourselves. It keeps us from working on issues in our own lives."

"I just hope that we understand that every one of us need to work on our own lives," he underlined.

Addressing the general crowd, Shook preached on the readiness of God to forgive.

"Whenever you commit adultery or a sin like that that hurts, destroys marriage, you come to God and ask for forgiveness. He forgives instantly and He starts restoring your life instantly," Shook preached. "But it takes time to build trust back."

"We need to come to God for forgiveness because we're all sinners."

Woodlands Church is a multi-site church with more than 16,000 weekly attendees.


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To: vicar7
To my knowledge, neither one knows/has received/believes in the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal savior. Given this reality they are both dead in their sin, they are lost, the wrath of almighty God ABIDES upon them and they are both on their way to hell and upon final judgment at the Great White throne; a Christless eternity in the Lake of Fire.

What would Jesus say? The answer to that question is easy and it is NOT what this so-called "pastor" told his congregation:

“Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3)

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:16-18)

". . . you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He (the Messiah, their savior), you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

51 posted on 04/20/2010 8:59:05 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Heavenly Father, deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Hodar

Even putting aside the fact that you have no idea whatever what the reason was for Tiger’s wife staying home, your argument seems to be that a rich wife is to blame for her husband’s philandering. Tiger Woods committed serial adultery; the blame is his, not his wife’s.


52 posted on 04/20/2010 9:15:21 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

If you read my posts, I say over and over again.

Yup, Tiger is wrong. Yup, he’s a naughty boy. He blew it.

But, I also said that this was 100% predictable, and perhaps 10% preventable. How many celebrities travel with their families? Take a look at your Country Western singers, they tend to travel in a big RV with their wife and kids as they tour. Why do you suppose they do that? Is it convenient? (nope) Is it easy? (nope). Does it help bond the family together (yup).


53 posted on 04/20/2010 9:19:43 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: brytlea
Marginalizing another poster by telling them to take a deep breath or to post something intelligent because you don’t have an answer doesn’t make you look logical.

Comparing my statements about Tiger Woods, and implying that I'm somehow justifying the cold-blooded murder of a woman is pretty contemptable.

You brought that ugly matter up, and threw it at me. I responded logically.

54 posted on 04/20/2010 9:22:04 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: brytlea

I don’t know Tiger or his wife, and honestly haven’t followed the story much. He’s a good golfer ... but I’ve always been more of a Mickelson fan.

I agree that men and women see these issues differently — and most seem to want to blame the other party. Women who were cheated on say he’s lying scum. Men who cheat say she is cold and unavailable and drove him to it. They bitch back and forth forever ... she holds a grudge, he stands his ground ... they both become miserable and intolerable ... and then they divorce — both still blaming the other party.

When there are problems, its always a good idea to look at your own part in that problem. A man who cheats is either weak or a narcissistic tool ... and maybe a combination of the two. A woman whose husband cheats is either too detached and not paying him enough attention, or lousy at picking suitable honorable husbands.

In either case, there is something BOTH parties can fix about themselves to help the situation, or make sure that you don’t end up in the same spot in the future.
Women should understand that men need affection, and that if you continually brush your husband off ... he very well may go to someone who is more inviting. If your husband is just a jerk, leave him. If he’s weak and you played a part in driving him away ... don’t play that part anymore.

Men should understand that your family and your integrity come before your libido. If you’re a jerk who was not driven away — sack up and be a man, or let her find someone who will (and don’t subject any other women to your pathetic self). If you were driven away and were too weak to resist ... sack up and be a man. Talk to your wife about your inability to control yourself ... if she can’t (or won’t) help you be stronger, do the honorable thing and let her go find someone who doesn’t need a crutch to resist temptation.

SnakeDoc


55 posted on 04/20/2010 9:25:35 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant [...] that even a god-king can bleed.")
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To: Hodar

Hold me in contempt then. *yawn*


56 posted on 04/20/2010 10:44:17 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

I’m fairly old, and I’ve been married for over 30 years (yeah, I was pretty young when I got married). I’m extra ordinarily lucky to be married to a fabulous man. But, I’ve seen a lot of marriages fall apart thru the years and I have never seen one in which both parties did do things that contributed. A marriage is a contract tho. If a guy feels he’s not getting what he needs from a marriage (or a woman for that matter) then get out of it first. That’s all. But people, men and women, don’t seem to think they need to live up to their end of bargains these days. Their wants and needs come first.
Sometimes life sucks.
I read once that most marriages hit rough spots, but most couples who motor thru them come out within a few years glad they saw it thru and are happier that they stuck it out.


57 posted on 04/20/2010 10:53:04 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Hodar
Why didn’t she travel with the kids, with him while he was on tour?

Not easy to travel with 2 small children. Not easy at all.

58 posted on 04/20/2010 11:06:11 AM PDT by my_pointy_head_is_sharp (Huck muck, Mitt spit, Palin bailin', Brown frown, McCain insane, Bachmann overdrive!)
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To: my_pointy_head_is_sharp
Not easy to travel with 2 small children. Not easy at all.

And a Divorce is easier?

Like I said, 100% predictable, and maybe 15% preventable.

59 posted on 04/20/2010 11:50:51 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: brytlea
But, I’ve seen a lot of marriages fall apart thru the years and I have never seen one in which both parties did do things that contributed.

I think there is an echo in here. Isn't that what I've been saying all day long - and then getting accused of justifying the murder of an innocent woman? I thought Tiger was at fault 100%,at least that's the case you put forth.

60 posted on 04/20/2010 11:55:05 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: SeekAndFind
Definitely. People remember that Jesus didn't condemn the adulterer. They'd like to forget the "go and sin no more" part of the equation.

I pointed that out as a response to a comment on Digg. The atheists over there buried to the comment to -20 or so.

61 posted on 04/20/2010 12:25:58 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Is the difference between "anticipating" and "just waiting" the same as between "when" and "if"?)
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To: SeekAndFind

He’d probably say “Go and sin no more” like he told the adulteress in the bible.


62 posted on 04/20/2010 1:03:44 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Hodar
Why didn’t she travel with the kids, with him while he was on tour?

I would agree she should have done some of that, but I'm sure it wouldn't always be the best thing to do, i.e. when the kids were still in school and so forth.

Her not traveling with him is no excuse for his behavior.

63 posted on 04/20/2010 1:05:37 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Hodar

Tiger is totally and utterly at fault?

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Yes. Your wife not traveling with you while you are on tour IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO CHEAT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

Sorry to yell, but your continued opining as you have leads me to believe it was necessary.


64 posted on 04/20/2010 1:31:19 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
Perhaps instead of yelling at me, you ought to listen to Dr. Laura. She stated it pretty clearly just about an hour ago.

If a wife is not there for her husband; he will find someone else who will be. Girlfriend, hooker, co-worker, stranger in a bar. That's a fact of life, like it or not. Elin opted to not be with her husband, a husband who is young, athletic, rich, famous and attractive (doesn't do a thing for me, but I'm a straight man).

If she won't be there for him, for love, companionship and sharing ... apparently you, and she both expect your husbands to accept his role as a possession and simply 'deal with it'. Welcome to planet Earth. Expect to have your heart broken.

I'm afraid that if you think this tract is what is going to happen in the 'real world'; then you are both gravely mistaken, and have set yourself up for a lot of heartache. Men have needs, and if you are unwilling to fulfill his needs - expect him to find someone else who will. This is exponentially true if he is rich, young, attractive and famous.

And yet, according to the Journal of Couple and Relationship Therapy, approximately 50 percent married women and 60 percent of married men will have an extramarital affair at some time in their marriage.

Source

So, scream and shout all you like, but it is you (not I) that is refusing to accept reality.

65 posted on 04/20/2010 1:48:06 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

Did you stay at expensive resorts, with millions in the bank? Did you ejoy the celebrity status that Tiger enjoys? Did attractive women show up at your hotel room?

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Your point, until now, has been the Elin bore some responsibility for not making herself available to him for sex, so because of opportunity, he got sexed some other way. The subtext was that lack of marital sex + opportunity = cheating. Money was not part of your equation.

Many of us men have traveled. The opportunity is there. And we don’t cheat. Why? Why not? You’ve not really addressed that in your myriad comments on this topic.

Let me help. The reason that some men cheat is because they are aholes. The reason I never have is that my vows meant something to me. My wife and I have, in the course of our 20+ years of marriage, gone through some, uh, dry spells. I play music in bars routinely, when my wife is home in bed. But the lack of sex + the obvious opportunity (bars at 2am scream opportunity, especially if you’re the front man in the band) did not equal cheating.

Something is a bit off in your calculus. And that is simple. Tiger is 100% at fault for HIS behavior. Your fairy tale notion that Elin withholds sex is a) completely made up by you (she does sometimes travel with him as the pictures of them together post tourney attest), and b) completely inconsequential to Tiger’s breaking of the marriage vows he uttered.


66 posted on 04/20/2010 1:59:00 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Hodar

If she won’t be there for him, for love, companionship and sharing ... apparently you, and she both expect your husbands to accept his role as a possession and simply ‘deal with it’.

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LOL. I’m a husband married once, for over 20 years now. I guess you think that the only gender who finds Tiger 100% responsible for his behavior is the female of the species.

Wrong again. As you have been for much of the thread, IMHO.


67 posted on 04/20/2010 2:05:36 PM PDT by dmz
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To: Hodar

And yet, according to the Journal of Couple and Relationship Therapy, approximately 50 percent married women and 60 percent of married men will have an extramarital affair at some time in their marriage.

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Your source for the info is really, really funny.

Lindsay Richardson
Info guru, Catalogs.com *

I submit and relent to the obviously unimpeachable source you have provided. Not.

* Lindsay is a freelance article writer and full time e-commerce writer.


68 posted on 04/20/2010 2:11:18 PM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz

Wrong guess. I’ll repeat it again.

This was 100% predictable, and perhaps 15% preventable.

Was Tiger in the wrong? Yup, he was. But a portion of the fault also lies with his wife. Have you ever met a couple who divorced, in which there was not some blame to be place on both parties? So, if Tiger is 100% responsible, then Elin bears no responsibility in this train-wreck at all. I think that a portion (granted, a small portion) of the fault lies with Elin.

I don’t accept that. Why was he cheating? We know that he was often gone for months at a time, alone in a resort. Now, with his net worth - don’t tell me that Elin couldn’t afford a plane ticket. Why was she content to ignore him?

It’s no surprize that the public knows he is wealthy, young, attractive and left to be by himself for extended periods of time. So, yell at me if you like; but the studies I have shown bear my statements out pretty much 100%, as does the good Dr. Laura.

If Elin won’t be a wife to her husband; then he WILL find someone (or a group of someones) who will. And again, this is exponentially true for the rich and famous. He had to make no effort to look for company, I think we both know that it would be freely offered, on pretty much a daily basis.

Now, ask yourself - if you had $450 Million in the bank; and you had to be in Hawaii for a month for business; would you have your wife join you?


69 posted on 04/20/2010 2:17:59 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: dmz

Fine, then take your pick of any of these ...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=percentage+married+couples+cheat&aq=1&aqi=g4&aql=&oq=percentage+married+couples+&gs_rfai=


70 posted on 04/20/2010 2:19:08 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

OK. Perhaps we’re both so intent on making our own point that we are talking past each other.

You want to focus on Elin and what she has or has not done. Fine. Then do the research to determine how many times she did travel with him (she most certainly has on a number of occasions), and not just opine as you have, that she has chosen not to be a wife to him. You are assuming facts not in evidence, to quote a phrase.

My focus has been solely on Tiger. Sure. Guys with little or no integrity will cheat on their wives. The numbers do not surprise me, as they really are nothing new. People cheat. But Tiger clearly lacks integrity, and that is not on Elin.

Tiger is 100%, completely, and solely responsible for the choices he makes. Elin available for sex or no, Tiger is responsible for his actions. Taking the light off of him and his choices just provides him (incredibly weak) cover.

I take some issue with your comparison of divorce to cheating. In a marriage relationship, I agree that it is rarely one person totally responsible for the breakup of the marriage when it does break up. But we’re not talking about divorce. Sex, outside of the marriage bed, is an entirely different animal, as he had to violate his wedding vows to make it happen. Elin had no part in that decision. It relates to Tiger’s cheating, he had choices, and he chose to violate his wedding vows. That is 100% on him.


71 posted on 04/20/2010 3:16:19 PM PDT by dmz
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To: SeekAndFind
Answering the curious question raised at the start of his sermon, Shook said, "I think Jesus would say to Tiger Woods and Jesse James and to me and to you 'I don't condone your sin. In fact, your sin is the reason why I had to go to a cross and die an excruciatingly painful and humiliating death on a Roman cross...

Oh, I don't know, let's take a leap...might he say, "Go, and sin no more?" This guy brings to mind the same words that d@mnable so-called leader of the ELCA does...get thee behind me, Satan.

72 posted on 04/20/2010 3:58:02 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: Hodar
When a wife makes herself unavailable for sex, either by rejection or by intentional absence - and other options become available, what does she think is going to happen?

IMHO, she had her life set (Millions in the bank, her lifestyle fully funded, kids, she never has to lift a finger the rest of her life - not bad for a bikini-model has-been). Once she had what she wanted, she didn’t care whether Tiger lived or died. Her needs were met, and that’s all that mattered. Now, she can take Millions, and play the victim .... her perfect ‘checkmate’...

You know this, how?

73 posted on 04/20/2010 3:59:12 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: Hodar
Elin opted to not be with her husband...

You know this...how?

74 posted on 04/20/2010 4:04:20 PM PDT by gogeo ("Every one has a right to be an idiot. He abuses the privilege!" Groucho Marx)
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To: dmz

It is pointless to argue with some people. Really and truly a waste of time and breath.


75 posted on 04/20/2010 6:03:20 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Hodar

Can you produce proof that Tiger asked Elin to come with him and she refused? Can you produce proof that she refused him sex? Can you produce any proof of your theory?


76 posted on 04/20/2010 6:09:46 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: gogeo

Good luck getting an answer....;)


77 posted on 04/20/2010 6:10:51 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

The fact that he was alone, for weeks at a time is just a part of what we know. The fact that Elin was fully capable of joining him at any time she wanted to, is also known. I doubt you’ld dispute that - it’s not like she couldn’t afford to buy a plane ticket, or rent a private Lear at a moment’s notice. They have TWO nannies, one for each child. Heaven forbid Mommy actually bother raising her own kids.

She’s not a movie star, with a career. She’s an ex-swimsuit model, who scored big by marrying a multi-millionaire. She had a couple kids, and now she’s set for life. That’s no secret either.

So, why then would she not go to a hell-hole like Hawaii? I mean, suffering in a bombed out resort in the tropics is certainly our ideal of suffering, isn’t it? Why didn’t she go there, if for no other reason than to support her husband while he competed to win tournaments that finance her lifestyle? As for travelling with kids .. c’mon, they have Au Pairs to raise the kids. Heaven forbid that Mommy actually be a Mommy ... that’s for us lesser folk.

But, consider ... Tiger’s job is stressful; his success, his endorsements are contingent upon winning tournaments. Why was his wife content to sit around at home, instead of actually being a PARTNER in the marriage and supporting her husband when he needed moral support? Again, it’s not like she was finding a cure for cancer - she has two nannies and two kids. She does whatever she wants to do, and apparently nothing else.


78 posted on 04/21/2010 9:03:34 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

You make many leaps. Have you thought of playing for the NBA?


79 posted on 04/21/2010 9:44:42 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

What leaps?

Are you saying that Tiger and Elin do NOT have nannies?
Are you saying that Elin has a career that prevents her from joining Tiger for his tournaments?
Are you saying that you believe that a Golf Pro shows up the day before a tourneyment, and plays the course for the first time during the tournement?
Are you saying that playing a Pro Golf tourneyment isn’t stressful?
Are you saying that a wife doesn’t belong with her husband, while he’s earning a living?
Are you saying that her time is better spent monitoring her nannies while they raise her kids?

Are you saying that Tiger does not stay at the most premium resorts, and does not play the Tournament Golf Course at least once a day, every day for nearly a month before the actual Tournament starts?

What leaps am I making? A successful marriage is a PARTNERSHIP. I see little or no partnership type behavior on the part of Tiger’s wife.

Again, is Tiger wrong? Yup. But, did Elin have a part in this whole mess .... IMHO, absolutely.

This was 100% predictable, and perhaps 15% preventable.

If my wife was making the money Tiger was making, and I was not working .... you can rest assured that I would be joining my wife (with the kids) at every opportunity. To keep her from cheating? Nope... because she’s my best friend. I’m there to help her when she’s discouraged, to reassure her when she falls, to help her relax; to be her husband. And that means that I stand with her, her burdens are my burdens. That’s NOT what I saw in this situation.


80 posted on 04/21/2010 9:53:39 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

Hodar, you seem to be the sort of person who says something, and once you say it you will never admit you could be wrong. You are the sort of person it is useless to discuss things with. So, it is a waste of time discussing things with you. I don’t know what your issues and problems are. I think blaming Elin in this case is pretty sad.I doubt she’s a perfect person. But there is never an excuse for a man to cheat on his wife. If it makes you feel good to try to come up with one, then have go ahead.


81 posted on 04/21/2010 10:01:49 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea
But there is never an excuse for a man to cheat on his wife.

You deal in absolutes; life is not, has never been, nor will ever be a set of absolutes. Everything in life has been, and forever will be a series of negotiations, concessions and settlements.

Placing 100% of the blame on Tiger requires no thought, no introspection - its' the easy way out. I've asked dozens of legitimate questions - and you've ignored each and every one of them.

That's what's so appealing to claiming victim-hood. The victim is never questioned as to their role in their situation. You said that in your experience (as in mine) no couple that had divorced had all the blame placed on a single person. Both people had flaws that led to the divorce. A marriage is a team effort - I didn't see any signs of a team effort in this case. Tiger was a meal-ticket, and Elin's having the kids was a way to cement that meal-ticket. It's a method that has been used time and time again; and I'm calling her on it. One could argue very easily the fact that she opted to have 2 kids, and then has two nannies is evidence that raising a family is not high on her list. It is, however, a great way to guarantee a life of leisure.

82 posted on 04/21/2010 10:20:15 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

You’re very determined, aren’t you? Get help. Get a hobby. Something.


83 posted on 04/21/2010 10:38:29 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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