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Catholic Church Facilitates Foreign Invasion
Right Side News ^ | 29 April 2010 | Cliff Kincaid

Posted on 04/29/2010 10:34:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

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To: Salvation
And he’s not a Mexican. He is a naturalized citizen. He knows how to do it the right way! Please get your facts before you start slamming people around.

He's touted as being able to relate well to the huge Mexican population of the diocese because he's Mexican. I made no reference to his citizenship ... you did. I have to wonder what sort of negative sterotypes you've internalized, to think that saying Gomez is Mexican, is "slamming people around."

You and I have had some very pleasant exchanges in the past, Salvation. Let's do try to keep it that way, please. I'm quite capable of setting theological differences aside when the topic is not theological. I'd thought the same of you.

51 posted on 04/29/2010 5:27:39 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Alex Murphy
He goes on, "When Catholic immigrants become naturalized, they may vote for candidates who support church policies."

If by church policies you mean urestricted abortion and "gay marriage," then yes. If you mean traditional Catholic moral positions, then no. Like Black Protestants, Hispanic Catholics are thoroughly in the pocket of the forces of moral nihilism.

The hijacking of the Catholic Church by Marxist elements is now front and center. Who in the major media has the courage and guts to write about it?

The liberal media isn't the least bit afraid to attack the Catholic Church (they've shown that with their witch hunt against the current Pope). However, immigration is one issue where the liberal media agree with the Catholic hierarchy, so don't expect any exposure of this issue other than claims of "nativist Protestant bigotry."

52 posted on 04/29/2010 5:35:24 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vaydabber Mosheh 'et-mo`adey HaShem; 'el-Beney Yisra'el.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I have no daoubt that he can relate well with the Hispanics. I just thought you were a little harsh in your calling him a Mexican and not knowing that he was a U. S. Naturalized citizen.

I admire him for that.

I don’t think he will be an easy mark like Cardinal Mahony was at all. He will either teach them the right way to become a citizen or ask them to return to their homeland.

Guess we’ll both have to wait and see, won’t we?

I grew up in Western Nebraska where the word Mexican was used to describe the Hispanics as much the “N” word would describe the black population. I detest the word “Mexican.” So you pegged me right there.

I’m not attacking you as a person...it was the language and the fact that you didn’t know about Archbishop’s quest for American citizenship that caused my rant.

Are we friends again?


53 posted on 04/29/2010 5:39:08 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: roses of sharon

Still painting with that broad brush.


54 posted on 04/29/2010 5:45:41 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: bronx2
The mainline Protestantism of Spong , Berg, Pike, coupled with the ordination of Gays and women is the mainline Protestantism familiar to most Catholics so to state that Protestants are to the right of Catholicism is absurd.

I said that mainline Protestants are to the right of Catholics and they are.

They show that in every election at the voting booth. including in 2008 when they voted for McCain while Catholics voted for Obama.

55 posted on 04/29/2010 5:49:19 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Like Black Protestants, Hispanic Catholics are thoroughly in the pocket of the forces of moral nihilism.

Interestingly, Protestant Hispanics are fairly Republican, in 2004 they went 56% Republican, and in 2008, they went 48% Republican.

56 posted on 04/29/2010 5:53:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12
Mainline Protestants have always been to the right of Catholics,

How come I never see any of those mainline Protestants protesting at Planned Parenthood abortuaries and why did they all cave after the 1930 Lambeth conference? You need to stop smoking dope.

57 posted on 04/29/2010 5:53:26 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Salvation
I grew up in Western Nebraska where the word Mexican was used to describe the Hispanics as much the “N” word would describe the black population.

I've never heard that, in Texas, California, Arizona, New Mexico and so on, Mexican is the way that you would even describe your wife or husband in many conversations if they were Mexican Hispanic. We all know what it means.

58 posted on 04/29/2010 5:58:52 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: A.A. Cunningham

LOL, yes the press releases, statements, and politicking coming from the Church do give us a giant side of a barn to “paint”!

Maybe you should drop them a line?


59 posted on 04/29/2010 6:01:08 PM PDT by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: ansel12
Interestingly, Protestant Hispanics are fairly Republican,

I'm happy to hear it. I guess Hispanic Protestants are centered on theology rather than liberal ethnic politics.

in 2004 they went 56% Republican, and in 2008, they went 48% Republican.

Uh-oh. Not good.

60 posted on 04/29/2010 6:01:53 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vaydabber Mosheh 'et-mo`adey HaShem; 'el-Beney Yisra'el.)
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Ah yes, I see the Fred Phelpsian protestants are at it again.


61 posted on 04/29/2010 6:06:03 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Anyone pushing Romney must love socialism...Piss on Romney and his enablers!!" ~ Jim Robinson)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
If Catholics voted like Mainline Protestants this nation would be heaven.

Imagine all the differences with no JFK, no Vietnam, no 1960s, Roosevelt as only a two term President, imagine all the post WWII liberalism and the 1965 immigration act erased.

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62 posted on 04/29/2010 6:20:11 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12
Wrong again. You need to be more circumspect in your definition of Catholic. The statistics showing 54% of Catholics voted for Obama are based on asking voters their religious preference. If you took the effort to see what percent of practicing Catholics voted for Obama, a far more defining statistic, the percent falls to below 35%. The secular humanistic agnostic press loves to state there are 67 million Catholics but in essence only about 10 million are observant and this is a far more accurate figure.
Mainline Protestantism has sadly become spiritually bankrupt evidence the recent pronouncements of its high priestess Kathy Schori, and such notables as Rowan Williams, Vickey Jean, and of course Mary Glasspool the latest lesbian addition to the Episcopal lineup of all stars sinners. The Evangelical arm of Lutheranism has all but abandoned Christian principles and is obsequious to the needs of the Democratic party. Pray tell what sector of Mainline Protestantism can legitimately call itself Christian? Mainline Protestants voting for conservatives are the ones whose vested economic interests demand they do so.
63 posted on 04/29/2010 6:23:18 PM PDT by bronx2
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Not great but not bad. We can work with that and strive to improve it, those two votes were both to the right of the general Catholic vote.

The main thing is that we can examine it and see how we can bring Catholic Hispanics around.


64 posted on 04/29/2010 6:29:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Salvation
I’m not attacking you as a person...it was the language and the fact that you didn’t know about Archbishop’s quest for American citizenship that caused my rant.

A fact not in evidence, Salvation. I made no reference.

Are we friends again?

Sure, no problem at all.

65 posted on 04/29/2010 6:30:53 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: bronx2

You can prattle all you want, but Mainline Protestants vote Republican and Catholics rarely do.

Mainline Protestants did not vote for Obama, the Catholics did.

I am more interested in how religious groups vote than their internal theology, when it comes to politics.


66 posted on 04/29/2010 6:33:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12
The main thing is that we can examine it and see how we can bring Catholic Hispanics around.

I must confess that I regard "Blacks and Hispanics" as lost causes, and I don't know why. The closest thing that I can guess (and I am a Noachide, so prepare to perhaps be offended) is that Blacks and Hispanics worship a Black/Hispanic J*sus with completely different priorities, and that white chr*stians worship a "white" (or at least "patriotic American") J*sus. That's one of the inherent problems of making G-d into a man (chas veshalom!).

67 posted on 04/29/2010 6:51:06 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vaydabber Mosheh 'et-mo`adey HaShem; 'el-Beney Yisra'el.)
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To: ansel12

**Catholics rarely do.**

You are mistaken.

Catholics always vote Republican

CINOs will vote dimocrat at a whim


68 posted on 04/29/2010 7:14:02 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12

In front of me it was used in a disrespectful way. I guess it made a big impression, because I never use it.


69 posted on 04/29/2010 7:15:47 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I don’t know how to reach black voters, they reversed themselves in one election in 1936, and never looked back, and I don’t know how to reach Catholic Hispanics, both of those groups will never be conservative.

Seeing that Protestant Hispanics voted 44% for Bush against a sitting veep in 2000, and then 56% to reelect Bush in 2004, and then went 52% for Obama in the racial tsunami of 2008, gives me hope. Catholic Hispanics went 33%, 33%, 32% Republican in those elections, they are not in play.

There is no question that the 32% of the Hispanic vote that is Protestant is in play, that means that we can fight for them and that also means that they can have some influence with their less conservative Catholic, fellow Hispanics, as white Protestants influence white Catholics.

If we can see the type of movement among Hispanic Catholics that we have seen with white Catholics in the last 30 years, then we could perhaps start dependably winning the overall Catholic vote by a narrow margin.

It is never truly over.


70 posted on 04/29/2010 7:20:09 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Salvation

Quit playing games with yourself and conservative politics.


71 posted on 04/29/2010 7:21:30 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12

If you must worship at the altar of statistics then please use empirical data which is relevant providing informed information not some general survey which only serves the misinformed and those who lack critical analysis.Your data provided in Post # 62 dating back to 1936 is comical. Why not provide data from the election of George Washington which would be as germane to this discussion as the irrelevant statistics given by your prior post? Learn to use informed and discerning data when making your argument and not embarrass yourself with evidence which can be easily refuted.


72 posted on 04/29/2010 7:22:15 PM PDT by bronx2
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To: ansel12
I don’t know how to reach black voters, they reversed themselves in one election in 1936, and never looked back, and I don’t know how to reach Catholic Hispanics, both of those groups will never be conservative.

You see, that's what I mean. I don't understand this. I can understand opposition to conservative economic policies, but the Black/Hispanic dedication to abortion, homosexuality, and (I suppose) euthenasia simply astounds me. But it's there. So far as I know, every single mainstream Black/Hispanic politician (except for the "uncle toms" and "race traitors") are committed to leftism across the board. Yet Blacks, at least, still worship like right wing West Virginia snake-handling hillbillies.

Once upon a time I actually believed there would eventually be a line that Blacks would not cross. I no longer believe that. Why I do not know, only that slavery is no excuse to turn against G-d A-mighty.

73 posted on 04/29/2010 7:35:58 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vaydabber Mosheh 'et-mo`adey HaShem; 'el-Beney Yisra'el.)
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To: ansel12

Not playing games.

REAL Catholics vote conservative all the time

CINOs are another matter.

No REAL Catholic would have ever voted for Obortion O and his agenda!


74 posted on 04/29/2010 7:55:58 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12

That doesn’t mean we can’t work on converting the CINOs to vote more conservatively. I’m working on one right now. But I’m taking a very subtle road through religion. He won’t know what hit him when he votes Republican!


75 posted on 04/29/2010 7:57:17 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12
Mainline Protestants have always been to the right of Catholics, and still are, until recent years, they were way, way to the right, Not so. Those bodies began to succumb to liberal theology at the turn of the 19th Century. Read William F. Buckley's "God and Man at Yale" and you will see how things were in 1950.
76 posted on 04/29/2010 7:57:43 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: ansel12

But maybe you don’t believe in prayers and sacrifices for others.

Shame.


77 posted on 04/29/2010 7:57:52 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Is that your pious act, make up a question and then answer it without the person that you are lying about getting in between? Why go after a poster personally?


78 posted on 04/29/2010 8:06:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: RobbyS

Show me a time when Mainline Protestants are not voting to the right of Catholics.


79 posted on 04/29/2010 8:07:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Salvation

Good news, that is what I try to inspire by knocking some of the cobwebs from the political perceptions around here.


80 posted on 04/29/2010 8:09:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Salvation
No REAL Catholic would have ever voted for Obortion O and his agenda!

According to you every one that has ever been a Catholic is a permanent Catholic, no matter what they do.

According to you, Glenn Beck is a Catholic.

81 posted on 04/29/2010 8:11:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12

Not going after anyone in particular, especially not you.

The shame — meant — a shame that people don’t pray.

Didn’t mean for you to take it that way.


82 posted on 04/29/2010 8:12:38 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ansel12; Salvation
Do not make this thread "about" individual Freepers. That is also a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

83 posted on 04/29/2010 8:13:13 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: ansel12

On what issue? Catholics have always been ferociously anti-communist forever. And voting Republican does not mean voting right on issues. Cathoilics supported the Vietnam War under Kennedy , Johnson, and Nixon. They supported Nixon over McGovern in 1972. Until 1976, the Republican Party was the pro-abortion party. Gerald Ford was more pro-abortion than Carter.


84 posted on 04/29/2010 8:20:22 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

When you examine the black vote, it is even worse than you think, Roosevelt permanently bought them off in one single election, the switch took place that election and has never gone back.

There was no gradual political movement or political growth, it was an open purchase, and it flipped them completely.

By the way, next to blacks is the Jewish vote, about a 100 year average of 75% liberal hitting 90% several times, I have never found a Jewish vote for an American president, they are much worse than Hispanics, or even homosexuals, and even worse than Catholic Hispanics.


85 posted on 04/29/2010 8:20:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: ansel12
When you examine the black vote, it is even worse than you think, Roosevelt permanently bought them off in one single election, the switch took place that election and has never gone back.

There was no gradual political movement or political growth, it was an open purchase, and it flipped them completely.

In 1936 there was no legalized abortion and no movement to create "gay marriage." As I said, it isn't the economic issues that surprise me. It's the fact that all mainstream Black politicians bought into the radical, unheard of ideologies spawned from the Sixties, and there was no line they were unwilling to cross.

By the way, next to blacks is the Jewish vote, about a 100 year average of 75% liberal hitting 90% several times, I have never found a Jewish vote for an American president, they are much worse than Hispanics, or even homosexuals, and even worse than Catholic Hispanics.

This is well known and a frequent topic of heated conversations here on FR.

86 posted on 04/29/2010 8:31:03 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Vaydabber Mosheh 'et-mo`adey HaShem; 'el-Beney Yisra'el.)
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To: RobbyS

Catholics gave us Vietnam and the third world conquest of our nation, they put Kennedy in office, they tried to put Humphrey in office, they kept Roosevelt in office, Carter, Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Obama, Catholics vote liberal.

Obama sits in that office today with 55% of Protestants having voted against him, while Catholics gave him a solid 54%, even Hispanics that are Protestant only gave him 52% of their vote.


87 posted on 04/29/2010 8:34:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Zionist Conspirator
It's the fact that all mainstream Black politicians bought into the radical, unheard of ideologies spawned from the Sixties, and there was no line they were unwilling to cross.

I got you now, politicians, preachers, church goers, non church goers, American blacks never blinked.

You are correct, and that baffles all of us, I'm always at a loss on trying to explain that, I have a sense that it isn't pretty and I'm glad that we never go down that road here.

88 posted on 04/29/2010 8:39:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Alex Murphy

I don’t think the point of all this is so much about what percentage of Catholics vote for one party or the other versus what percentage of Protestants vote for one party or the other. The far more important point is what in the name of heaven do either Catholic or Protestant clergy think they are doing by engaging in political commentary at all? They have no business doing so. They were not called by the Lord of the Church to do any such thing. The only difference between Catholic and Protestant on this point is that Catholic clergy, following the long-standing example of the popes, have been interfering in political matters for centuries, to the neglect of the true spiritual needs of their people.

There is a reason Jesus told all to render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. There is a reason that Paul and Peter both commanded Christians to honor the king. There is a reason that you will not find the apostles ever interfering in matters that concern the left hand kingdom of God (government/politics). Their Lord gave them plenty to do in the kingdom of His right hand. It is a certainty that whenever clergy are messing around in the kingdom of the left, be they Protestant or Catholic, they are neglecting their God given duties in the kingdom of the right ... and the souls of people are left to pay the price. It is not simply shameful; it is sinful.


89 posted on 04/29/2010 9:23:09 PM PDT by Belteshazzar
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To: ansel12

Henry Cabot Lodge gave us Vietnam as much as Kennedy did. He was the one who gave the go ahead for the murder of the Diem brothers. Catholics voted for Eisenhower in 1956, and McCarthy was a Catholic. Some Catholics are liberal. Most mainstream Protestant bodies are liberal.


90 posted on 04/29/2010 9:25:17 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: ansel12

So what church do you belong to?

Where do you go on Sunday?

Or do you go to church more than three times a week like I do?


91 posted on 04/29/2010 9:30:30 PM PDT by Salvation ( "With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Belteshazzar

Luther and Calvin certainly interfered in political affairs. Zwingli was killed in battle. John Knox took part in the deposition of Mary Stuart from the Scottish throne. The Huguenots were as much a political group as religious. The so-called “Religious” Wars were caused by the mingling of political and religious interests. The Church of England was a religious monopoly maintained by the Crown, and to this day no Catholic can sit on that throne. The New England colonies had —except for Rhode Island—Established churches. One reason for the First Amendment was to keep Congress from violating the rights of those state Establishments. etc.


92 posted on 04/29/2010 9:34:21 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

Too much effort for me, when you start saying that the president did not get us into his war, then you are doing what is so common on these threads and among salesmen, you want to weave a tale, sell a narrative in an effort to overcome the actual facts.

The voting graph in post 62 tells a gruesome tale, and mainline Protestant are still voting Republican, and to the right of Catholics.

Think 2008 and Obama.


93 posted on 04/29/2010 9:38:30 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Salvation

I know that Catholics voted for Obama, and have always been a very dependable Democrat constituency.


94 posted on 04/29/2010 9:40:20 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Belteshazzar
The far more important point is what in the name of heaven do either Catholic or Protestant clergy think they are doing by engaging in political commentary at all?

It is their duty, I want Catholics to take over their churches and demand more red blood and meat from their priests, and I want them to try and force their church to so something about the liberal indoctrination that Hispanic Catholics are getting.

95 posted on 04/29/2010 9:44:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Alex Murphy

I will add, so that I am not misunderstood, that there is nothing wrong with Christians becoming active in politics. But they should do so as citizens not of the kingdom of God’s right hand, i.e., as Christians, but as citizens of their nation, whichever it is. In our country government is constitutionally to be of, by, and for the people. The Constitution (along with its precursor document, the Declaration of Independence) functions as our “king,” governing all the people, including those in the government itself.

All valid argumentation and discourse under the Constitution is to be made under the authority of nature’s God, which was simply the founders’ way of referring to the One we Christians would more comfortably call “God Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth” or “our Father who art in heaven.” But because those whose duties and authority is, by definition, in the kingdom of the left, simply “God” or “nature’s God” is as far as they have in the past and should in the future go in identifying and defining God according to their duly held offices. Why? Because God didn’t call them to preach and teach about Him and His beloved and only-begotten Son, and so oversee the hearts of men, but rather to govern only the actions of men, and so oversee the conduct of men.

Today, unfortunately, politicians of the left to a greater extent and politicians of the right to a lesser extent co-opt and corrupt the church in all its many visible denominations in order to accomplish their earth-bound, temporary, and political purposes. To the extent the leaders of the church allow themselves and their people to be co-opted to such purposes they do wrong, whether the issue itself is right or wrong. And in the meantime, they neglect their duties to pursue issues that are spiritual and eternal. Their people suffer and the nation not only is not benefitted, but it becomes more and more confused as to who is to be doing what, who is to be proclaiming what to whom, and respect for all authority, of both the right and left hand kingdoms of God is lessened in the eyes and hearts of all. This is the mess we have made for ourselves.


96 posted on 04/29/2010 9:51:32 PM PDT by Belteshazzar
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To: ansel12

As long as you are interested in facts, Mainline Protestant does not include evangelicals. Ir means Episcopal, Presbyterians, Methodist, and northern Baptist. Only Southern Baptists tend to support conservative causes.


97 posted on 04/29/2010 9:51:53 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: RobbyS

Yes, and to the extent any of them did (and some did so in rather minor ways and others in more significant ways), they did wrong. I already said that. But do not forget that Roman popes had been interfering grossly and directly with secular government and raw politics for centuries before the Reformation (think Crusades, for one example).

But, again, the point is that Christ gave the church one thing to do and earthly government another thing to do. When one presumes to do the other’s work, watch out!


98 posted on 04/29/2010 9:57:10 PM PDT by Belteshazzar
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To: RobbyS
God man, I know that, I have only been using the "Mainline Protestant" voting numbers, Evangelicals would blow you away.

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99 posted on 04/29/2010 10:07:14 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney-"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there")
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To: Belteshazzar

The popes were engaged for several centuries in keeping the secular authority from gaining control of the Church. That would be from the late 10th to the 13th Century the Holy Roman Emperor. Thereafter the national kings. As for the Crusades, this was the pope’s response to the Turkish threat to the Byzantine Empire. In the last quarter of the 11th Century, what is now Turkey was overrun by the Muslim Turks and Constantinople itself was threatened. The Byzantine Emperor asked the pope for help, and he preached the first Crusade. It did take the political pressure off from the Church, which was threatened by the Normans who had taken control of Sicily and who were also ambitious to gain pieces of Greece. The pope was the main organizer of resistence to the Muslims.


100 posted on 04/29/2010 10:10:23 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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