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Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Mary: An Introduction
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More comments tonight? Continuing with the Blessed Virgin Mary.
1 posted on 05/07/2010 10:01:45 PM PDT by Salvation
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May Devotion: Blessed Virgin Mary
The Virgin Mary as Our Lady of Grace

Since the 16th century Catholic piety has assigned entire months to special devotions. Toward the end of the eighteenth century a zealous Jesuit priest, Father Lalomia, started among the students of the Roman college of his Society the practice of dedicating May to Our Lady. The devotion, which others had promoted in a small way, soon spread to other Jesuit Colleges and to the entire Latin church and since that time it has been a regular feature of Catholic life.

INVOCATIONS

Thou who wast a virgin before thy delivery, pray for us. Hail Mary, etc.
Thou who wast a virgin in thy delivery, pray for us. Hail Mary, etc.
Thou who wast a virgin after thy delivery, pray for us. Hail Mary, etc.

My Mother, deliver me from mortal sin.
Hail Mary (three times).

Mother of love, of sorrow and of mercy, pray for us.

Remember, O Virgin Mother of God, when thou shalt stand before the face of the Lord, that thou speak favorable things in our behalf and that He may turn away His indignation from us.
Roman Missal

Thou art my Mother, O Virgin Mary: keep me safe lest I ever offend thy dear Son, and obtain for me the grace to please Him always and in all things.

FOR THE HELP OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY

May we be assisted, we beseech Thee, 0 Lord, by the worshipful intercession of Thy glorious Mother, the ever-Virgin Mary; that we, who have been enriched by her perpetual blessings, may be delivered from all dangers, and through her loving kindness made to be of one heart and mind: who livest and reignest world without end. Amen.
Roman Missal

THE SALVE REGINA

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve! To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears! Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy towards us; and after this, our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus! O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!
Roman Breviary

PRAYER TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY

O blessed Virgin Mary, who can worthily repay thee thy just dues of praise and thanksgiving, thou who by the wondrous assent of thy will didst rescue a fallen world? What songs of praise can our weak human nature recite in thy honor, since it is by thy intervention alone that it has found
the way to restoration? Accept, then, such poor thanks as we have here to offer, though they be unequal to thy merits; and, receiving our vows, obtain by thy prayers the remission of our offenses. Carry thou our prayers within the sanctuary of the heavenly audience, and bring forth from it the antidote of our reconciliation. May the sins we bring before Almighty God through thee, become pardonable through thee; may what we ask for with sure confidence, through thee be granted. Take our offering, grant us our requests, obtain pardon for what we fear, for thou art the sole hope of sinners. Through thee we hope for the remission of our sins, and in thee, 0 blessed Lady, is our hope of reward. Holy Mary, succour the miserable, help the fainthearted, comfort the sorrowful, pray for thy people, plead for the clergy, intercede for all women consecrated to God; may all who keep thy holy commemoration feel now thy help and protection. Be thou ever ready to assist us when we pray, and bring back to us the answers to our prayers. Make it thy continual care to pray for the people of God, thou who, blessed by God, didst merit to bear the Redeemer of the world, who liveth and reigneth, world without end. Amen.
Saint Augustine

PETITION TO MARY

Most holy Virgin Immaculate, my Mother Mary, to thee who art the Mother of my Lord, the queen of the universe, the advocate, the hope, the refuge of sinners, I who am the most miserable of all sinners, have recourse this day. I venerate thee, great queen, and I thank thee for the many graces thou hast bestowed upon me even unto this day; in particular for having delivered me from the hell which I have so often deserved by my sins. I love thee, most dear Lady; and for the love I bear thee, I promise to serve thee willingly for ever and to do what I can to make thee loved by others also. I place in thee all my hopes for salvation; accept me as thy servant and shelter me under thy mantle, thou who art the Mother of mercy. And since thou art so powerful with God, deliver me from all temptations, or at least obtain for me the strength to overcome them until death. From thee I implore a true love for Jesus Christ. Through thee I hope to die a holy death. My dear Mother, by the love thou bearest to Almighty God, I pray thee to assist me always, but most of all at the last moment of my life. Forsake me not then, until thou shalt see me safe in heaven, there to bless thee and sing of thy mercies through all eternity. Such is my hope. Amen.
Saint Alphonsus Liguori

Blessed Virgin Mary Magnificat Prayer
My being proclaims the greatness of the Lord, my spirit finds joy in God my savior,
For he has looked upon his servant in her lowliness; all ages to come shall call me blessed.
God who is mighty has done great things for me,
holy is his name; His mercy is from age to age on those who fear him. He has shown might with his arm; he has confused the proud in their inmost thoughts. He has deposed the mighty from their thrones and raised the lowly to high places. The hungry he has given every good thing, while the rich he has sent empty away. He has upheld Israel his servant, ever mindful of his mercy; Even as he promised our fathers, promised Abraham and his descendants forever.
(Lk 1:46-55) 

Seen above is the Blessed Virgin Mary, portrayed as Our Lady of Perpetual Help.
It was she who was chosen by God, to provide His Son with His Sacred Humanity.
She did so in humble and total cooperation with the Holy Spirit and the Divine will of the Holy Trinity; providing God's Son with the Blood He shed for us on the Cross.

TO MARY, REFUGE OF SINNERS
Hail, most gracious Mother of mercy, hail, Mary, for whom we fondly yearn, through whom we obtain forgiveness! Who would not love thee? Thou art our light in uncertainty, our comfort in sorrow, our solace in the time of trial, our refuge from every peril and temptation. Thou art our sure hope of salvation, second only to thy only-begotten Son; blessed are they who love thee, our Lady! Incline, I beseech thee, thy ears of pity to the entreaties of this thy servant, a miserable sinner; dissipate the darkness of my sins by the bright beams of thy holiness, in order that I may be acceptable in thy sight.

FOR THE GRACE OF LOVE
O Mary, my dear Mother, how much I love thee! And yet in reality how little! Thou dost teach me what I ought to know, for thou teachest me what Jesus is to me and what I ought to be for Jesus. Dearly beloved Mother, how close to God thou art, and how utterly filled with Him! In the measure that we know God, we remind ourselves of thee. Mother of God, obtain for me the grace of loving my Jesus; obtain for me the grace of loving thee!
Cardinal Merry del Val

TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY FOR MAY

O most august and blessed Virgin Mary! Holy Mother of God! glorious Queen of heaven and earth! powerful protectress of those who love thee, and unfailing advocate of all who invoke thee! look down, I beseech thee, from thy throne of glory on thy devoted child; accept the solemn offering I present thee of this month, specially dedicated to thee, and receive my ardent, humble desire, that by my love and fervor I could worthily honor thee, who, next to God, art deserving of all honor. Receive me, 0 Mother of Mercy, among thy best beloved children; extend to me thy maternal tenderness and solicitude; obtain for me a place in the Heart of Jesus, and a special share in the gifts of His grace. 0 deign, I beseech thee, to recognize my claims on thy protection, to watch over my spiritual and temporal interests, as well as those of all who are dear to me; to infuse into my soul the spirit of Christ, and to teach me thyself to become meek, humble, charitable, patient, and submissive to the will of God.

May my heart bum with the love of thy Divine Son, and of thee, His blessed Mother, not for a month alone, but for time and eternity; may I thirst for the promotion of His honor and thine, and contribute, as far as I can, to its extension. Receive me, 0 Mary, the refuge of sinners! Grant me a Mother's blessing and a Mother's care, now, and at the hour of my death. Amen.

TO OUR LADY

Saint John Vianney, better known as the Cure of Ars, when asked how long he had loved Mary, said: "I loved her almost before I could know her." In this prayer he expresses that love.
O thou most holy virgin Mary, who dost evermore stand before the most holy Trinity, and to whom it is granted at all times to pray for us to thy most beloved Son; pray for me in all my necessities; help me, combat for me, and obtain for me the pardon of all my sins. Help me especially at my last hour; and when I can no longer give any sign of the use of reason, then do thou encourage me, make the sign of the cross for me, and fight for me against the enemy. Make in my name a profession of faith; favor me with a testimony of my salvation, and never let me despair of the mercy of God. Help me to overthrow the wicked enemy. When I can no longer say: "Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, I place my soul in your hands," do thou say it for me; when I can no longer hear human words of consolation, do thou comfort me. Leave me not before I have been judged; and if I have to expiate my sins in purgatory, oh! pray for me earnestly; and admonish my friends to procure for me a speedy enjoyment of the blessed sight of God. Lessen my sufferings, deliver me speedily, and lead my soul into heaven with thee: that, united with all the elect, I may there bless and praise my God and thee for all eternity. Amen.
Saint John Vianney

ACT OF REPARATION

O blessed Virgin, Mother of God, look down in mercy from heaven, where thou art enthroned as Queen, upon me, a miserable sinner, thine unworthy servant. Although I know full well my own unworthiness, yet in order to atone for the offenses that are done to thee by impious and blasphemous
tongues, from the depths of my heart I praise and extol thee as the purest, the fairest, the holiest creature of all God's handiwork. I bless thy holy name, I praise thine exalted privilege of being truly Mother of God, ever virgin, conceived without stain of sin, co-redemptrix of the human race. I bless the Eternal Father who chose thee in an especial way for His daughter; I bless the Word Incarnate who took upon Himself our nature in thy bosom and so made thee His Mother; I bless the Holy Spirit who took thee as His bride. All honor, praise and thanksgiving to the ever-blessed Trinity, who predestined thee and loved thee so exceedingly from all eternity as to exalt thee above all creatures to the most sublime heights. 0 Virgin, holy and merciful, obtain for all who offend thee the grace of repentance, and graciously accept this poor act of homage from me thy servant, obtaining likewise for me from thy divine Son the pardon and remission of all my sins. Amen.

Prayer Source: Prayer Book, The by Reverend John P. O'Connell, M.A., S.T.D. and Jex Martin, M.A., The Catholic Press, Inc., Chicago, Illinois, 1954

 

Memorare of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Blessed Virgin Mary

 

Remember O Most Gracious Virgin Mary!

That never was it known
That anyone who fled to thy protection,
Implored thy help or sought thy intercession
Was left unaided.

Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto Thee!
O Virgin of virgins, My Mother!

To Thee I come before Thee I stand,
Sinful and Sorrowful,
Oh Mother of the Word Incarnate,
Despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy,
Hear and answer me.


Amen

May Devotion: Blessed Virgin Mary

Discovering Mary [Excellent New Book For Converts]
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Give it all to Mary [Catholic Caucus]
JESUS LIVING IN MARY: HANDBOOK, SPIRITUALITY OF ST. LOUIS DE MONTFORT, ROSARY [Ecumenical]
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A Protestant Discovers Mary
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Our Lady of the Most Blessed Sacrament [Catholic Caucus]
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2 posted on 05/07/2010 10:02:48 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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3 posted on 05/07/2010 10:03:41 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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"Never apologize for the

Blessed Virgin Mary!"

~~Mother Angelica


4 posted on 05/07/2010 10:05:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Pray the Rosary. 
Pray without ceasing.

5 posted on 05/07/2010 10:06:12 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Foundation

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Foundation: Apologetics Without Apology
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Foundation: An Incomplete Picture
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Foundation: Dearly Beloved Catholic Brothers and Sisters

Being Catholic and Christian: Faith and Salvation

Catholic Biblical Apologetics:Being Catholic & Christian:Faith and Salvation-Authoriative
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Being Catholic & Christian: Apostolic Confessions of Faith
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Post-Apostolic Confessions of Faith
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Salvation: A Biblical Portrait
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Salvation: "Being Saved"
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Catholic Response to "Are You Saved?"
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Knowledge of Salvation
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Faith and Works
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Process of Christian Initiation

The Church: A Biblical Portrait - A New Testament Apologetic

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Church: A Biblical Portrait - A New Testament Apologetic: Jesus Christ preached a Reign or Kingdom, the Kingdom of God (or of heaven).
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Jesus preached an end-times kingdom but one already existing on earth
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Jesus preached that the kingdom was primarily spiritual and internal but also visible and external.
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Christ called and founded an exclusive, inner core group of twelve men called the "apostles."
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Christ committed His very mission to this twelve man inner core group, his Apostles, alone.
Christ gave to the Twelve, the Apostles, the power of ruling, teaching and sanctifying.
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: This same church Christ willed to endure until the end of the world.
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Christ instituted only one church, and that society was both formally and specifically a visible one.
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Marks of the Church, One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Labels Among Christians
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Genealogy of Christian Faith Communities, Roman Catholicism
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: American Christian Branches Among European Founded Churches
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Modes of Transmitting Authoritative Doctrine

The Church: A Biblical Portrait - A New Testament Apologetic

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Church: A Biblical Portrait - A New Testament Apologetic: Jesus Christ preached a Reign or Kingdom, the Kingdom of God (or of heaven).
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Jesus preached an end-times kingdom but one already existing on earth
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Jesus preached that the kingdom was primarily spiritual and internal but also visible and external.
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Christ called and founded an exclusive, inner core group of twelve men called the "apostles."
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Christ committed His very mission to this twelve man inner core group, his Apostles, alone.
Christ gave to the Twelve, the Apostles, the power of ruling, teaching and sanctifying.
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: This same church Christ willed to endure until the end of the world.
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Christ instituted only one church, and that society was both formally and specifically a visible one.
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Marks of the Church, One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Labels Among Christians
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Genealogy of Christian Faith Communities, Roman Catholicism
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: American Christian Branches Among European Founded Churches
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Modes of Transmitting Authoritative Doctrine

Divine Revelation "By Letter" (2 Thes 2:15) The Bible

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Divine Revelation "By Letter" (2 Thess 2:15): The Bible
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Divine Revelation
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Bible: Written Revelation
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Hebrew Scriptures: Books of the Old Testament
Historical and Geographical Background for the Development of the Two Old Testament Canons
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Background Chart: Development of the Old Testament Canons
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Chronology of the Apostolic Age and the Development of the New Testament Canon
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Comparison of Terms for Disputed Books
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Inspiration of the Bible
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Hermeneutics: Understanding Revelation
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Hermeneutics: Understanding Revelation: Literal Sense
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Hermeneutics: Literary Form and History of John 6:25-69
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Hermeneutics: Interpretation of John 6:25-69
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Hermeneutics: Fuller Sense (of Scripture)
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Hermeneutics: Typical Sense (of Scripture)
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Major Church Pronouncements on the Bible

Divine Revelation "By Word of Mouth" (2 Thess 2:15): Handing On

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Divine Revelation "By Word of Mouth" (2 Thess 2:15): Handing On
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Paradosis: Handing On Divine Revelation (Orally)
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Biblical Model for Handing On Truth and Refuting Error: Acts 15, The Council of Jerusalem
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Acts 15 Model: General or Ecumenical Councils of the Church Universal
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: General Councils of the Church, 49-870
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: General Councils of the Church, 1123-1545
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: General Councils of the Church, 1870-1962
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Apostolic Fathers of the Church
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Post-Apostolic Fathers of the Church
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Doctors of the Church
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Handing On Divine Revelation: Vatican Council II

Truth Handling and Teaching Authority

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Truth Handling and Teaching Authority
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Peter: A Biblical Portrait
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Matthew Chapter 16, Verse 18: The Primacy of Peter
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Truth Handling: Infallibility
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishop of Rome
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, First and Second Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, Third and Fourth Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, Third and Fourth Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, Seventh and Eighth Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, Ninth and Tenth Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, Eleventh and Twelfth Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, Thirteenth and Fourteenth Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, Fifteenth and Sixteenth Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Bishops of Rome: Popes, Nineteenth, Twentieth and Twenty-First Centuries
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Charism of Infallibility: The Magisterium, Vatican Council II, The Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Chapter 25

The Sacraments: The Life of The Christian

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Sacraments: The Life of The Christian
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Sacraments: Opportunities of Grace
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Baptism: Initiation and Regeneration
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Sacraments: Opportunities of Grace: Reconciliation
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Opportunities of Grace: Confirmation
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Opportunities of Grace: The Eucharist: The Lord's Supper
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Opportunities of Grace: Healing/Anointing of the Sick
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Opportunities of Grace: Matrimony
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Opportunities of Grace: [Holy] Orders

The Communion of Saints

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Communion of Saints
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Communion of Saints: A Biblical Portrait of Saint
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Communion of Saints: The Canon of Holiness
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Communion of Saints: The Role of the Saints
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Communion of Saints: The Intercession of the Saints: How Do Saints Hear Us
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Canonization of Saints: Current Canonization Process, Biblical Description of Miracles
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Images and Relics of the Saints. The Incorruptibles
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Communion of Saints: Praying to the Saints/Praying for the Dead

Mary the Mother of Jesus: Saint

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Mary the Mother of Jesus: Saint
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Mary: An Introduction

6 posted on 05/07/2010 10:08:19 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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From a previous thread:

 
From the earliest of Church Councils (the Council of Rome, 993; defined by the Council of Trent) the distinction was made between worship and honor. Catholics believe that worship is due to God alone. Catholics honor those saints who have gone before us as a sign of faith and victory in living the Christian life.

7 posted on 05/07/2010 10:09:14 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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And from this thread!

The truths about Mary are important because they are still truth, since they are based in the Bible. But they are not central to the primary gospel message of our salvation through Jesus Christ.

8 posted on 05/07/2010 10:10:58 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Praise Jesus And A Hail Mary Indeed!


9 posted on 05/07/2010 10:59:24 PM PDT by johngrace
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The truths about Mary are important because they are still truth, since they are based in the Bible.

NOPE.

Was reading along . . . mostly out of curiosity to see if there was anything new . . . until I near tripped over that one, sitting down.

It still boggles my mind that anyone . . . much less more or less bright CHRISTIANS . . . and a whole huge "Christian" institution . . . expect folks to believe that! It's bad enough that y'all believe it!

You think of the following as "BIBLICAL?!!!"

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4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.

"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor

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Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary!--Partial Indulgence

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"Mary is[=] the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18

Do y'all REALLY BELIEVE Mary has a microscopic shred of anything to do with fulfilling, being spoken specifically, personally of in Prov 3:18??? Has y'all's train REALLY RAN OFF THE CLIFF TO THAT EXTENT?

Even I am finding that very hard to wrap my mind around. I still prefer to think of several of you as bright, earnest, authentic Bible-believing Christians. Such things sure don't make clinging to that perspective very easy at all, at this point.

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6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'

[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance? GOD HAVE MERCY on such ghastly blasphemy! Wellll maybe not. Maybe HE NEEDS to have the opposite of mercy on such horrific stuff. May HE have HIS WILL with it.]

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9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'

[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary--per some of the outrageous assertions in John Ferraro's devotional that these are from. That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God! And ANYONE REALLY *BELIEVES* !!!!THAT'S!!!! ????BIBLICAL???? Oh, right--in the land of daffynitions.]

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10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."

[QX:Doesn't ANYONE of y'all find your spirit grieving when reading such UNBIBLICAL heresy, blasphemy, idolatry? Don't any of you feel like rending your clothes and running out into the street or standing up in church screaming !!!!NO!!!! A THOUSAND TIMES !!!NO!!!!?? GOD HELP US!]

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4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."

[QX: Don't any of you kind of quake or shiver with awesome abject reverential awe and fear at tempting ALMIGHTY GOD with such an outrageous assertion??? Perhaps THAT'S HOW WE NEED TO PRAY. That GOD ALMIGHTY, BY HIS SPIRIT WILL GIVE Y'ALL A VISION, A VISITATION OF HOW HE AND HOW THE AUTHENTIC MARY AND HOW CHRIST FEEL ABOUT SUCH AN OUTRAGE!
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Clearly these are the END TIMES. It seems like every time I read these lines I get shocked to a new, deeper level. I'll ask the END TIMES prayer team to pray as they feel led according to that issue. GOD HAVE MERCY. GOD PLEASE HAVE MERCY!]

Within 2-6 months we could easily be up to our necks in a hell driven WWIII . . . and folks are running around loose at horrendous spiritual vulnerability for believing that kind of blasphemy. GOD HAVE MERCY.

10 posted on 05/08/2010 12:55:13 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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Slippery daffynitions and mangled dictionaries are NO HELP to authentic BIBLICAL Christianity.


11 posted on 05/08/2010 12:56:49 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Additional proof that Roman Catholicism is pagan to the core.


12 posted on 05/08/2010 1:19:07 AM PDT by Gamecock (If you want Your Best Life Now, follow Osteen. If you want your best life forever, don't. JM)
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To: Gamecock

I’m beginning to reluctantly agree.

Horrific.

Thanks for your kind reply.

Have a blessed weekend.

Where are you from the ash cloud? Evidently a bigger one is headed y’all’s way.


13 posted on 05/08/2010 1:22:09 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Gamecock

BTW, I assume you are still not hearing any WWIII/Israel Iran war rumblings?

They seem to be getting louder and more frequent in various places.


14 posted on 05/08/2010 1:22:56 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Gamecock; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

That pagan aspect might help explain the rather rabid and almost instant compulsion to KILL THE MESSENGER observed in so many of them . . . a kind of “OFF WITH THEIR HEADS” mentality so common in Islamic and other pagan religious & tribal contexts.

Authenic Christians are much more ready and given to “COME LET US REASON TOGETHER.”

And though some of them may even quote that verse, when I cite the evidence they insis doesn’t exist—they run away from the point(s) and either virtually never reply to them at all or only reply with assaultive ‘kill the messenger’ hostility.

That’s happened to me probably 100’s of times at this point hereon—certainly many dozens of times. I’ve just accepted it as the norm. If the shoe had been on the other foot—they’d have hounded me all over FR relentlessly for a submissive, “I’m sorry, I was wrong,” reply. I know better than to expect that from virtually any of them. In fact, I can’t recall an “I’m sorry, I was wrong,” from any of them.

Somehow, I think that’s very telling. I’m not sure WHAT it tells but it’s very telling.

And THEY are always the ones screaming about humility. Go figure.


15 posted on 05/08/2010 1:31:46 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Just one question here... What page numbers are you referring to? Is it the catechism book, or something else? Honestly, growing up my respect for Mary was as the woman whom was honored to raise Jesus.

This might sound a little strange because I don’t know if I can explain this well enough — it’s something that I “heard” during the time following my vision back in 2002...

Anyway, here goes...

The Holy Family a representation of the Holy Trinity that we have on Earth. Father, Mother, and Child - the miracle of creation - replicated in families throughout the Earth. The way God intended it to be. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a “replacement” for the Holy Trinity in any way shape or form. There’s more to what I’m saying, but I can’t find the words for it right now. There is a deep truth in there somewhere that I just can’t articulate... It was such a beautiful “zen-like” moment of understanding, peace and love at the time, maybe that is why I can’t find words to express it...

One note: It was clear to me that a family is not two women raising children as a “couple”, and not two men raising children as a “couple”. God is NOT “cool” with that, at all. [That was made abundantly clear to me in the days following... I was out with my husband during the time that I still felt like I was in the state of grace described by St. Teresa, and I saw two men (who seemed like a couple) with a small child, and I instantly felt sick to my stomach, and literally started crying and I said to my husband - quietly - that it was NOT right, and our Lord and Savior did not look kindly on that, it actually hurts His “heart” that children are not being properly raised with the direct role models in their life that they need. We actually had to leave the restaurant as I was so bothered by it during that time. And, I still have gay friends to this day, and I don’t feel ill, or cry over it anymore even though it does make me sad, and I pray for those children — just in the days, like I said, that I was still feeling that “state of Grace” was the feeling so overwhelming and powerful.]

Anyway, in all my years in the Catholic Church I never once heard anyone saying that Mary was above God. I do know of her being referred to as the mother of God, but only in the way that Jesus was God in the flesh here on Earth — only being recognized as the human mother of Jesus, and chosen and blessed by God to carry His son and care for him here on Earth. She was truly blessed to have been chosen, and if all women were as Mary this world would be a much better place...

I have a healthy respect for Mary, as I believe we all should. I see her as a role model for mothers, and Joseph as a role model for fathers. Of course, Christ remains the Ultimate “Role Model” for our lives, but in looking at the Holy Family there are things for all of us to draw strength from. In my case I “heard” that my Mother and Father were in Heaven and my parents here on Earth were not as important as recognizing our “family” in Heaven — and there was definitely an emphasis on looking to God our Father as our REAL Father — especially for people like me who did not have a decent fatherly influence here on Earth.

I’m very interested in this subject as I’m always examining the beliefs I grew up with versus the things I’ve learned in searching for truth on my own over the last 20 years...

Anyway, I know I probably didn’t explain this clearly enough, so please bear with me! I’m still working on writing my experience down, but this is one part that I’m stuck on as it’s really hard to explain to others. I don’t know if it was the Holy Spirit helping to heal my soul from the damage done by my earthly father and from my dysfunctional family - or whether it’s something that I will be able to explain to others, or that others will benefit from if I can find the words to explain it clearly (I don’t know if it was a way God was explaining a concept to me personally or if it was a “broad” truth that we should all be aware of...).

I personally have no problem honoring Mary, as I explained above. However, to place her ABOVE God our Father in Heaven, or above Jesus (God in the flesh) is not right, IMHO. You don’t get to Heaven THROUGH Mary, Christ Himself said the only way to the Father is through Me (Jesus).

Anyway, like I said it’s hard to explain my exact beliefs on this, and especially hard to express what I learned about these issues during that soul-searching (fighting for my soul) experience I had.


16 posted on 05/08/2010 4:30:16 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: LibertyRocks

Thanks for your kind and interesting reply. I have no great problem with anything you wrote.

The page numbers are from

John Ferraro’s

TEN SERIES OF MEDITATIONS ON THE MYSTERIES OF THE ROSARY.


17 posted on 05/08/2010 4:42:50 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Salvation

I just wanted to say a quick thank you for taking the time to put up all of these links to information. As a technically “non-practicing” Catholic (was confirmed, but have not been to a Catholic Mass in a VERY long time), I appreciate it because it gives me an opportunity to examine my beliefs now as an adult, and compare them to what I was taught (and perhaps did not understand) as a child.


18 posted on 05/08/2010 4:47:55 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Quix

Thanks, I appreciate that alot. It’s still rather scary to speak about it all, but I’m getting more comfortable putting it “out there” so to speak.

As for the quotes, that is very interesting... Some of those comments made are VERY disturbing, frankly. And like I said, I don’t ever recall anything like what is espoused in those comments being taught to me growing up in the RCC.

I’m going to have to look up information on the author as well... I was scared you were going to tell me that that is what Pope John Paul II wrote in his book!!! LOL I’ve got that around here somewhere, and I think I’ll get it back out again and compare notes.


19 posted on 05/08/2010 4:53:55 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com ~ Anti-Obama Gear: http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Quix
Luther, Calvin and Zwingli disagree with you.

Within 2-6 months we could easily be up to our necks in a hell driven WWIII

WWIII; which apparently you were not a participant in, was the Cold War and we've been fighting WWIV ever since.

20 posted on 05/08/2010 4:53:56 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Gamecock

Make sure you pack your Seinfeld DVDs to take with you for your particular judgment.


21 posted on 05/08/2010 4:55:18 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; ...

I’ve never considered those blokes infallibale in any sense of the word.

Are you saying they asserted the same things Ferraro’s text asserts?

God have mercy.


22 posted on 05/08/2010 4:57:31 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Salvation

What an amazing example the Blessed Mother is for us all!!!


23 posted on 05/08/2010 5:40:54 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: Quix

Tuesday, April 29, 2008
Baptist Pastor Ken Temple Proves That St. Paul Was a Blasphemer Who Claimed That People Can Save Others (Mariology & Synergistic Soteriology)

Rembrandt, The Apostle Paul, c. 1657

This comes from a combox concerning Mariology. Ken’s words will be in blue. The title and some of my humorous remarks are, of course, tongue-in-cheek and “turning-the-tables” or reductio ad absurdum rhetoric.

* * * * *

Ken wrote, citing Catholics (dunno who, though, because he provided no primary documentation):

The Flowery language of praise in prayer is wrong and she is made too much of and exalted beyond what the Scriptures say. Praying to Mary is much more than just “asking her to pray for us”:
Prayer: O Mary, no one receives any favor except through you. Help me to ask you each day for the graces I need to remain faithful in my state of life.”

O Mary, your holy name is great and brings us salvation. Let me strive to speak it with true love, boundless joy, and complete confidence.”

O Mary, you are our Mother and our Teacher, instructing us in how to live. Help me to heed your inspirations and follow your Divine Son more closely.
pp. 98-99 Mary Day by Day, 1987 Catholic Book Publishing, Nihil Obstat: Daniel V. Flynn . . . Imprimatur: Patrick J. Sheridan, D.D. Vicar General, Archdiocese of NY.

“Mary brings salvation!” What more evidence do we need of exalting her above the Lord and only Savior, Jesus Christ? All of these facts and this blasphemous statement and prayer alone should keep any thinking Evangelical from being duped into converting to Rome by the tricks of always raising doubt and skepticism as to how do we know for sure who are in the right church, historical church, Newman’s “to be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant” arguments.

Very well, then, Ken. Great! You have succeeded in proving that the Bible and St. Paul both are blasphemous and exalt the Apostle Paul above Our Lord Jesus, since we have these passages in Scripture:

1 Corinthians 9:22 I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.

[Paul “saves” other people, thus clearly placing himself above God, and blaspheming, right, Ken?]

1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed to yourself and to your teaching: hold to that, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

[Good grief! What blasphemy! After his own outrageous claims, St. Paul now thinks that Timothy can save himself (the Pelagian heresy) and those who hear him. Doesn’t he know that only God can save??!!!]

Philippians 2:12b-13 . . . work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

[Paul again blasphemously teaches Pelagianism, or works-salvation. Folks are taking the place of God by working out their own salvation???!!!! If someone says that God is mentioned in the second part, the Calvinist “monergist” still has to explain how a human being can participate at all in what only God can do (according to the monergist) ]

2 Corinthians 4:15 For it [his many sufferings: 4:8-12,17] is all for your sake, so that as grace extends to more and more people it may increase thanksgiving, to the glory of God.

Ephesians 3:2 assuming that you have heard of the stewardship of God’s grace that was given to me for you...

Ephesians 4:29 Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for edifying, as fits the occasion, that it may impart grace to those who hear.

[Paul distributes divine grace, just as we believe Mary does, and teaches that others can do the same]

St. Peter also joins in this folly of teaching that Christians can distribute divine grace to each other:

1 Peter 4:8b-10 . . . love covers a multitude of sins. Practice hospitality ungrudgingly to one another. As each has received a gift, employ it for one another, as good stewards of God’s varied grace.

So much for papal infallibility, huh???

Even the angels help to give grace:

Revelation 1:4-5a John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ . . .

[it was nice of John to add in Jesus Christ at the end, along with his own and the angels’ giving of grace, just so we’ll remember that there is but one mediator of God’s grace. Not a lot of “monergism” there, I reckon . . .]

In fact, Paul is so gung-ho on the notion of his distributing grace to folks, that he mentions this at the beginning of practically every epistle that he wrote. I wrote in another paper of mine:
Grace, however, is also referred to in Scripture as in some sense “quantifiable”. Lutherans and Protestants in general try to deny this; they usually view grace as simply “God’s favor”; that which saves one, in a non-quantifiable sense (as in, e.g., Rom 6:14; Eph 2:8-10). The biblical usage is more complex and nuanced than that, . . . [many examples given]

In fact, it can be plausibly argued, that when Paul and others use the common greeting of “grace to you” (e.g., Rom 1:7; 1 Cor 1:3; 2 Cor 1:2; Gal 1:3; Eph 1:2; Phil 1:2; Col 1:2; 1 Thess 1:1; 2 Thess 1:2; Phlm 1:3; Rev 1:4) it is in the same quantifiable sense: i.e., “may God give you more grace.” It doesn’t make sense if it is intended only in the broad Protestant meaning (that we agree with as far as it goes) of “you are saved by grace alone”.

Why wish, after all, that someone should have or receive what they already clearly possess? If “grace” only means “the free favor by which we are saved” then the Christians to whom Paul is writing his epistles already have this grace (since Protestants believe in a past salvation that is already accomplished). So why would Paul say “grace to you”? It would be like telling a man who has a daughter “I wish you the blessing of a daughter from God” or a man with a nice mansion: “best wishes to you for a nice mansion.” That makes no sense. Rather, it seems fairly clear, I think, that st. Paul is stating that he hopes and prays that his readers will receive more grace from God, as in the sense of 2 Peter 3:18, Ephesians 4:7, James 4:6, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:2, etc.
Good work, Ken! It’s not every day that a Baptist pastor proves by his own words that the Apostle Paul is a blasphemer (along with — as a special bonus — John, Peter, and Timothy) . . .

Related Reading:

Does St. Alphonsus de Liguori, in The Glories of Mary, Teach That Mary is “Above God” and Can “Manipulate God”? (Corrections of Protestant Misunderstandings of Catholic Mariology) (Dave Armstrong vs. Len Lisenbee)

“Whitewashing History”: Critique of James White’s Book, Mary — Another Redeemer? (William Possidento and Dave Armstrong vs. James White)

Dialogue on My Critique of James White’s Book, Mary — Another Redeemer? (+ Part II) (particularly with regard to the differing views on early Mariology of Protestant Church historians J.N.D. Kelly and Philip Schaff) (Dave Armstrong vs. John Q. Doe and “BJ Bear”)
A Biblical and Theological Primer on Mary Mediatrix

Human, Pauline, and Marian Distribution of Divine Graces: Not an “Unbiblical” Notion After All?

Does Mary’s Role as Mediatrix Contradict Jesus Christ as the Sole Mediator? / Response to a Catholic Critic

Dialogue on the Biblical Analogies to the Concept of Mary Mediatrix (Dave Armstrong vs. Robert Bowman)

Mary as Mediatrix: The Patristic, Medieval, and Early Orthodox Evidence
Treatise on the Queenship of Mary, “Queen Mother”, and the Assumption (Steve Ray)

The Imitation of Mary
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2006/11/mary-blessed-virgin-index-page.html
Is Mary Worshiped by Catholics? (The Latria / Dulia Distinction)

Did Jesus Renounce Marian Veneration? (Lk 11:27-28 by Dave Armstrong


24 posted on 05/08/2010 7:23:17 AM PDT by johngrace
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To: LibertyRocks

You have written a heartfelt comment. That said.When we say Jesus thru Mary is only about that He was born of the Virgin Mary. She has a special place in history. Human thru Mary. Not to mean only thru her to go to Jesus. We are all connected thru the Holy Spirit as Believers. The pray starts in Christ. The caution can turn into paranoia when we do not understand.-”If they are aware of what is going on, and can interact with our thoughts, just as angels can, and have love, then it is perfectly reasonable to suppose that we can ask for their intercession.

Think, for example, of the Transfiguration. Moses and Elijah appeared and talked to Jesus. Theoretically, they could have been asked by the disciples to pray for them or for some cause. That would have been an example of our asking “dead” people to pray. Nothing in the Bible would prevent them from saying “yes.”

Many Protestants do not grasp the communion of saints, and for some reason feel compelled to collapse every such instance into the “occult” or necromancy or having a seance: “contacting” the dead. The two things are completely different (see my explanation as to why that is).

I should clarify, too, that when we ask Mary to “help” us, we mean by her power of intercession. She can’t grant us things in and of herself, but only by virtue of the graces given to her by God. She is God’s instrument or agent, just as any creature is, but in her exalted position as the Mother of God, she is the best possible creature we can ask to pray for us. Many have greatly misunderstood the flowery language of Marian devotion: as if Mary herself were the source of the blessings and graces received. Not true. God is that, and this is Catholic teaching.” By Dave Armstrong
http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2008/04/why-do-catholics-pray-to-mary.html


25 posted on 05/08/2010 7:54:49 AM PDT by johngrace
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To: Quix

Alot of that is flowery language. Its a love for her intercession not to put her above God. I have had people pray for me. I can say they saved me by their pray not to mean their are the Redeemer who saved on the cross. Its really about the power of pray to Christ in him with him in the unity of the Holy Spirit. Which has the saints in unison “ of the u·ni·son (yn-sn, -zn)
n.
1. Music
a. Identity of pitch; the interval of a perfect prime.
b. The combination of parts at the same pitch or in octaves.
2. The act or an instance of speaking the same words simultaneously by two or more speakers.
3. An instance of agreement; concord.
Idiom:
in unison
1. In complete agreement; exactly.
2. At the same time; at once. -http://www.thefreedictionary.com/


26 posted on 05/08/2010 8:07:36 AM PDT by johngrace
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To: johngrace

Fascinating what some folks equate.

God, however, is not fooled.


27 posted on 05/08/2010 8:18:50 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

On the Comments in big color what is the title of that book with page. You have different styles and color. And author if you can please?


28 posted on 05/08/2010 8:21:34 AM PDT by johngrace
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To: Quix

Also just so you know alot of what your talking are not even in the weekly Sunday Mass. People do not pray the Rosary during Mass. Its for private devotions. Everything is centered on Christ and the Trinity. Just so you know.


29 posted on 05/08/2010 8:26:36 AM PDT by johngrace
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To: johngrace; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...
FLOWERY LANGUAGE
.
.
.

IS
a
single ply
tissue thin
cover
FOR
IDOLATRY,
BLASPHEMY!
.
.
.

ALMIGHTY GOD
IS NOT
CONFUSED NOR AMUSED
by
such
"flowery language."
.
.
.
after all,
HE'S
heard it
ALL
BEFORE.
.
.
.
"CHOICE"
is
merely
"FLOWERY LANGUAGE"
for
an
ABORTIONIST.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.

I
suspect
those
"modern"
Jewish
parents
millenia ago
MERELY
USED
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
"FLOWERY LANGUAGE"
.
.
.
.
.
.
merely
talking
about
"cleaning house"
or
"doing the spring cleaning"
when
they
threw their
sons and daughters
into
the
FIRES
OF
MOLECH
.
.
.
.
.
.
WORDS
have
meanings
---
very
important
meanings
else
they mean
nothing
ever.

30 posted on 05/08/2010 8:49:28 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: johngrace; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...
SLIPPERY
DAFFYNITION
RATIONALIZATIONS
.
.
.
have
NEVER
IMPRESSED
GOD ALMIGHTY
.
.
.
nor
served
as
very
effective
asbestos
hazmat
suits.

31 posted on 05/08/2010 8:55:12 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: johngrace; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

Right.

True enough.

And

millions of Roman Catholics et al

pay absolutely

no attention

to

Ferraro’s popular, classic Devotional.

/s


32 posted on 05/08/2010 8:56:57 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TheStickman

Yes, and many continue to bash the Blessed Virgin Mary. As Mother Angela says in the quote above — they will have to answer for it.

Evidently these people have never read the Gospel of Luke.


33 posted on 05/08/2010 9:41:20 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Quix

I never heard of it.


34 posted on 05/08/2010 9:45:46 AM PDT by johngrace
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To: Quix

You are right.

God is not foolled and the Catholic Church stands firm on their “un-pagan” beliefs — please read the Gospel of Luke.

And also read these two posts again.

God is always the object of a Catholic’s worship.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2509261/posts?page=7#7

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2509261/posts?page=8#8

I thought we went through this yesterday. Why don’t you get this concept?


35 posted on 05/08/2010 9:46:23 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: johngrace

Well said.


36 posted on 05/08/2010 9:48:29 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...
God is always the object of a Catholic’s worship.

As has been documented in a diversity of ways from a diversity of sources,

That, at BEST, is a grossly inaccurate statement.

Most accurately, it's simply not true.

And, no amount of white-wash and no amount of white hankies can make it true.

37 posted on 05/08/2010 9:54:06 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Salvation; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...
Certainly I believe, thankfully, that there are Roman Catholics for whom your assertion is true. Praise God, for that.

My posts--whether criticizing Pentecostals for their excesses or Roman Catholics for theirs--are not about what they do well and correctly, Biblically.

My posts are frequently targeting things that need serious adjustment--in the lives of thousands, if not millions.

God is always the object of a Catholic’s worship.

As has been documented in a diversity of ways from a diversity of sources,

That, at BEST, is a grossly inaccurate statement.

Most accurately, it's simply not true.

And, no amount of white-wash and no amount of white hankies can make it true.

38 posted on 05/08/2010 9:56:29 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Salvation

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners.

39 posted on 05/08/2010 9:59:20 AM PDT by annalex
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To: Salvation
Yes, and many continue to bash the Blessed Virgin Mary. As Mother Angela says in the quote above — they will have to answer for it.

I've never seen anyone on FR bash Mary...So I charge you with making up false accusations unless you can show us where someone bashed Mary...

40 posted on 05/08/2010 10:02:46 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Iscool

Merely questioning Mary’s alleged role as “Mediatrix” and “Queen of Heaven” is “Mary bashing” as far as some of our more extreme Freepers go.


41 posted on 05/08/2010 10:08:55 AM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: annalex

Beautiful Icon.


42 posted on 05/08/2010 10:09:59 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool

Did you read the entire thread?


43 posted on 05/08/2010 10:10:34 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...
Why don’t you get this concept?

BECAUSE
FAR MORE
FAR MORE AUTHENTIC
words
AND
ACTIONS
scream much louder
than
the
official
smoke screen
euphemistic
claptrap.

Because I have seen
MANY OTHER FREEPERS
HAVE SEEN AND EXPERIENCED

That it's all
A
FARCE,
A
CHARADE,
.
.
.
FANCY
theological
DOUBLESPEAK
.
.
.
the
FANCY FOOTWORK
HIDDEN
WORSHIP
WALTZ.
.
.
.
--NO MORE--
CONVINCING
TO
GOD ALMIGHTY
than
the
Buddhist
watching with
ALMIGHTY GOD
a
HEAVENLY HOLOGRAPHIC 3D VIDEO
of
the
BUDDHIST
praying before
a statue of
the
Buddha
. . .
watching
the
Heavently
judgment
replay
vainly
trying to explain
to
ALMIGHTY GOD
that
the
worshipper
was
merely
prayerfully
meditating
on
the
ETERNAL PEACE OF JESUS
while gazing
ADORINGLY
with
mere
heart
veneration
toward
the
Buddha.
.
.
.
!!!!BUZZZZZT!!!!
!WRONG!
.
DEPART FROM ME.
I never knew you.

44 posted on 05/08/2010 10:12:10 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Iscool

INDEED.

I suspect, if Mary her authentic self were posting on FR, she’d be even MORE fiercely strident against such hideousness.


45 posted on 05/08/2010 10:14:27 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: BnBlFlag

Actually,

I suspect that if we walked a Vatican statue of Mary without bowing, scraping and kissing the caricatured image’s toes

we’d be accused of ‘bashing’ or some such.


46 posted on 05/08/2010 10:15:43 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix; Religion Moderator

**such hideousness.**

Are you saying my posts are hideous?

I don’t think so. But God will be the judge of that, not me.


47 posted on 05/08/2010 10:25:33 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Quix

Pray for us, Blessed Mother.


48 posted on 05/08/2010 10:33:51 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: Salvation; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

No.

I’m talking about

the practices of

idolatry and blasphemy

being hideous.

Yes. Certainly God will judge us all on such scores.

And, as Alamo-Girl has well noted many times . . . any and all of us can idolize our own egos, our spouses, our children, our jobs, our beliefs, our hobbies, our bank accounts, our organizations, our denominations, our sins . . . the list is endless.

BTW, characterizing someone’s posts as hideous is well within the rules—as is done quite frequently enough regarding my posts by your cohorts.


49 posted on 05/08/2010 10:35:19 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Holy Mary, mother fair,
Filled with love for God,
Pray for us in all our needs.
Pray for us today.


50 posted on 05/08/2010 10:36:49 AM PDT by TheStickman
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