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Catholic Biblical Apologetics: Mary: An Introduction
CatholicApologetics.org ^ | 1985-1991 | Dr. Robert Schihl and Paul Flanagan

Posted on 05/07/2010 10:01:45 PM PDT by Salvation

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To: TheStickman; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

I remain very unconvinced that there’s any such praying on the authentic Mary’s part in Heaven.

I’ve never read any reports of such activities nor any reports of prayer meetings in Heaven.

Worship meetings, lots of reports of those.

None of prayer meetings.


51 posted on 05/08/2010 10:37:19 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: annalex

Amen!!!


52 posted on 05/08/2010 10:38:13 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: Quix

Blasphemy


53 posted on 05/08/2010 10:54:08 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Blogger

Thanks.

It would be one thing if there

REALLY WAS

quibble room.

There ain’t none.


54 posted on 05/08/2010 11:03:26 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Hail Mary, full of Grace. The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women & Blessed is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus!!!

Mother Mary, pray for us; now & always!


55 posted on 05/08/2010 11:13:13 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman

Last I recall from

SCRIPTURE

God is not all that thrilled with

vain repetitions, either.


56 posted on 05/08/2010 11:16:14 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary that never was it known that anyone who fled to Your protection, implored Your help, or sought Your intercession was left unaided. Inspired with this confidence, we fly to you, O Virgin of virgins, our Mother. To You we come; before You we stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not our petitions, but in Your mercy, hear and answer us. Amen.


57 posted on 05/08/2010 11:50:31 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman

May God reveal His Truth and His priorities regarding such idolatry, blasphemy.

Amen.


58 posted on 05/08/2010 11:52:43 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

The angel of the Lord declared unto Mary.
And she conceived of the Holy Ghost.
Hail Mary, ...

Behold the handmaid of the Lord.
Be it done unto me according to Thy word.
Hail Mary, ...

And the Word was made Flesh.
And dwelt among us.
Hail Mary, ...

Pray for us, O holy Mother of God.
That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

Let Us Pray

Pour forth, we beseech Thee, O Lord, Thy grace into our hearts, that we to whom the Incarnation of Christ Thy Son was made known by the message of an angel, may by His Passion and Cross be brought to the glory of His Resurrection. Through the same Christ Our Lord.
Amen.


59 posted on 05/08/2010 12:00:20 PM PDT by TheStickman
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May God Almighty do whatever it takes to draw all who seriously assert that they are “Christians” wholly unto HIM and His priorities.

May God Holy Spirit reveal to each of us called Christian the secrets and intents of our hearts which would compete with His supremacy and His priorities in our lives.

In Jesus’ Name, Amen.


60 posted on 05/08/2010 12:03:11 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Salvation

Hail, Holy Queen

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of Mercy!
Our life, our sweetness, and our hope!
To thee do we cry, poor banished
children of Eve, to thee do we send
up our sighs, mourning and weeping
in this valley, of tears.
Turn, then, most gracious advocate,
thine eyes of mercy toward us; and
after this our exile show unto us the
blessed fruit of thy womb Jesus;
O clement, O loving, O sweet virgin Mary.

Pray for us, O holy Mother of God

That we may be made worthy of the
promises of Christ.


61 posted on 05/08/2010 12:09:19 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman

Lord, God,

May Your Name be glorified.
May Your Word be lifted up.
May Your priorities reign supreme.
May Your righteousness be our focus.

Show all who are called by Your Name, Lord,
Your Biblical mandates;
Your Biblical proscriptions;
Your Biblical prescriptions;

Your Biblical boundaries.

May all distractions,
All interlopers,
all competitions with our putting you first and foremost in our lives be revealed to us most vividly and redemptively. May we be aided by Your Truth and Your Spirit and Jesus’ Blood to put all such spiritual hazards behind us.

In Jesus’ Name.


62 posted on 05/08/2010 12:27:09 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

AMEN !!!

And I mean AMEN !!!


63 posted on 05/08/2010 12:56:40 PM PDT by Ken4TA (The truth hurts those who don't like truth!)
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To: Quix
May God Almighty do whatever it takes to draw all who seriously assert that they are “Christians” wholly unto HIM and His priorities.

May God Holy Spirit reveal to each of us called Christian the secrets and intents of our hearts which would compete with His supremacy and His priorities in our lives.

Amen. And we have His word He will do just that.

64 posted on 05/08/2010 1:06:39 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Ken4TA

Thanks for your kind reply.


65 posted on 05/08/2010 2:30:29 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

PRAISE GOD FOR THAT.


66 posted on 05/08/2010 2:30:52 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

2 Thessalonians
Chapter 2
Verses 15-17

15 Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.

16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting encouragement and good hope through his grace,

17 encourage your hearts and strengthen them in every good deed and word.

Thank you, Father. Maker of all that is seen & unseen for Your Son, Our Savior, Jesus Christ & the Holy Spirit who proceeds from You & the Son & has spoken through the prophets. Thank you, Father in Heaven for Our Apostolic, Catholic Church. Thank you for the wonderful example of how to be obedient to Your Will who is the Mary, our Blessed Mother.

In Jesus Name, amen!

Remember, Our Lady of the Sacred Heart, what ineffable power thy divine Son hath given thee over His own adorable Heart. Full of trust in thy merits, we come before thee and beg thy protection. O heavenly Treasurer of the Heart of Jesus, that Heart which is the inexhaustible source of all graces, which thou mayest open to us at thy good pleasure, in order that from it may flow forth upon mankind the riches of love and mercy, light and salvation, that are contained therein; grant unto us, we beseech thee, the favors which we seek. . . . We can never, never be refused by thee, and since thou art our Mother, O our Lady of the Sacred Heart, graciously hear our prayers and grant our request. Amen.


67 posted on 05/08/2010 2:38:45 PM PDT by TheStickman
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What a fine lesson—that post offered—in how to trash some great Scripture with a pile of blasphemy!

And here some have tried to teach us Prottys that y’all give MORE WEIGHT to the WORDS OF JESUS. Wellllll, I don’t think so . . . but let’s see:

2.Mark 7:8
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.”

Mark 7:9
And he said to them: “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions!

And then Paul’s exhortation:

Galatians 1:14
I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

I realize many Roman Catholics et al prefer the deceptions about the caricatured Mary personage to the words of Christ or Paul . . . however . . . there they are, anyway.


68 posted on 05/08/2010 2:51:05 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

2nd Thessalonians
Chapter 3
Verses 5-6

5 May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the endurance of Christ.

6 We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.

Mary, Queen of Missions

Holy Mary, Our Mother, today, each day and in our last hour, we entrust ourselves entirely to Your loving and singular care. We place in Your hands our entire hope and happiness, our every anxiety and difficulty, our whole lives.

May our every endeavor be directed and guided according to the Will of Your Son, which is Your wish, by the aid of Your prayer and special favor with God. Amen


69 posted on 05/08/2010 3:01:19 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman
I do believe that the bible says that the Christ is the only intercessor for us. And according to the bible there is no one in heaven but the Trinity.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

70 posted on 05/08/2010 3:08:37 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Christ made this statement before His death, burial and Resurrection & before He opened the Gates of Heaven.

Peace :)


71 posted on 05/08/2010 3:22:42 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman

Lord, God Almighty,

You alone, Lord, by Your Spirit alone can we know when to apply which Scripture, how to discern which issue, situation, factor.

How and when to shun !!!TRADITIONS!!! of man and choose Your Word, Your Voice.

Those who seek you persistently, earnestly, whole heartedly—shunning all competing contenders—shall find You and walk in Your will, Oh, Lord. Help us to do that arightly.

You declared, Lord, that your Way was straight and narrow. Please, Lord, prevent us from distractions, from deviating a micrometer from Your Way, from YOU.

Keep us single-mindedly, Lord, focused ON YOU AND YOUR PRIORITIES FOR US moment by moment.

In Jesus’ Name.


72 posted on 05/08/2010 3:24:09 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TheStickman
No John wrote this gospel after Christ had risen and ascended. There are no Saints in heaven. There will be no one there until after the Resurrection and judgment.
73 posted on 05/08/2010 3:29:34 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Quix

Gospel according to Saint John
Chapter 21
Verse 25

25 There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.

2nd Thessalonians
Chapter 3
Verses 5-6

5 May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the endurance of Christ.

6 We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.

2 Thessalonians
Chapter 2
Verses 15-17

15 Therefore, brothers, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught, either by an oral statement or by a letter of ours.

16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting encouragement and good hope through his grace,

17 encourage your hearts and strengthen them in every good deed and word.

So Quix, in your world Saint Paul’s letters aren’t the Inspired Word of God?

Peace :)


74 posted on 05/08/2010 3:30:26 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman

I’ve never considered it a very Christian practice for

RC’s particularly

to put inaccurate, false, wrong, untrue

words of theirs

in my fingers.

Thankfully, The Lord knows the Truth of my words and of my heart.


75 posted on 05/08/2010 3:36:52 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Perhaps it depends on definitions.

However, I don’t think that position is Biblically defensible.

Christ told the thief that THAT DAY the thief would be WITH CHRIST IN PARADISE.

I’m confident Christ was telling the truth.


76 posted on 05/08/2010 3:38:24 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: guitarplayer1953

“No John wrote this gospel after Christ had risen and ascended.”

True! Christ said it before His Death, Burial & Resurrection and John wrote his version of the Gospel after the fact.

“There are no Saints in heaven. “

Thanks be to God, there are Saints in Heaven. They are praying for you & I as well.

“There will be no one there until after the Resurrection and judgment”

Sorry, I respectfully disagree, especially in light of Ephesians 3:14-15:

14 For this reason I kneel before the Father,

15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named,

Also, there is Romans 8:38-39 which suggests something different than your assertion suggests.

38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor present things, 9 nor future things, nor powers,

39 nor height, nor depth, 10 nor any other creature will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.


77 posted on 05/08/2010 3:44:23 PM PDT by TheStickman
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78 posted on 05/08/2010 3:47:07 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Quix

I put no words in your mouth, Quix. In light of Sacred Scripture & your earlier posts I asked you a reasonable question. A simple “yes” or “no” will suffice.

Peace :)


79 posted on 05/08/2010 3:47:20 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman

So . . . where’s the Scriptures asserting

that

1. Graduated believers in Heaven are praying for us on earth?

2. Graduated believers hear us routinely; attend to us routinely; are concerned about our daily life specifics routinely, if at all?


80 posted on 05/08/2010 3:54:29 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TheStickman

I occasionally use

a simple

yes

or

no.


81 posted on 05/08/2010 3:55:34 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

i am unfamiliar with the term “Graduated believer”. Please clarify.


82 posted on 05/08/2010 3:57:25 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman

I think you’re quite able to figure it out . . .

however . . .

I could have said . . .

Graduated from this time/space earthly life

or this dimension

or this earth


83 posted on 05/08/2010 4:29:49 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TheStickman
Pray for us, O holy Mother of God. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

Let Us Pray

Pour forth, we beseech Thee, O Lord, Thy grace into our hearts, that we to whom the Incarnation of Christ Thy Son was made known by the message of an angel, may by His Passion and Cross be brought to the glory of His Resurrection. Through the same Christ Our Lord.

Since you guys claim that Mary is the dispensor of all grace, apparently this is a prayer to your Lord, Mary... Amen.

Scripture provides the truth of salvation...No where in the age of the church has anyone ever been made worthy of salvation by the prayer of another...

If you are counting on Mary saving you by prayer to her, you will never make it...

It boggles my mind that you guys are counting on facing the White Throne Judgment where you have to stand and defend your own righteousness in the face of the Almighty God, where the outcome for failure will be an everlasting hell of torment...

84 posted on 05/08/2010 4:38:14 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: johngrace

good post - thank you.


85 posted on 05/08/2010 4:54:58 PM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Lord Jesus Christ have mercy on me, a sinner)
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To: Quix

Ah, I get it. Folks who’ve died and gone to Heaven. Gotcha.

Revelation 5:8

“When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.”

Revelation 8:3-4

3 Another angel came and stood at the altar, 3 holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne.

4The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.


86 posted on 05/08/2010 4:59:07 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: Quix

a. 1 John 1:3. That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. Eph. 3:16–18. … that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height. John 1:16. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Eph. 2:5–6. Even when we were dead in sins, [God] hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus. Phil. 3:10. …that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death. Rom. 6:5–6. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Rom. 8:17. … and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. 2 Tim. 2:12. If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us.
b. Eph. 4:15–16. … but speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: from whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. 1 Cor. 12:7, 12. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.… For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 1 Cor. 3:21–23. Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours; and ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s. Col. 2:19. … and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

c. 1 Thess. 5:11, 14. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.… Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men. Rom. 1:11–12, 14. For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; that is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.… I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. 1 John 3:16–18. Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren. But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth. Gal. 6:10. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

d. Heb. 10:24–25. And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. Acts 2:42, 46. And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.… And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart. Isa. 2:3. And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 1 Cor. 11:20. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper.

e. 1 John 3:17. But whoso hath this world’s good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him? 2 Cor. 8–9. Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia; how that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.… Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.… For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened: but by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality.… For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God; whiles by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection unto the gospel of Christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto all men. Acts 11:29–30. Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea: which also they did, and sent it to the elders by the hands of Barnabas and Saul. See Acts 2:44–45.

f. Col. 1:18–19. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell. 1 Cor. 8:6. But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Ps. 45:6–7. Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb. 1:6–9. And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. John 1:14. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 20:17. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

g. Ex. 20:15. Thou shalt not steal. Eph. 4:28. Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. Acts 5:4. Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.


87 posted on 05/08/2010 5:01:47 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Iscool

“Since you guys claim that Mary is the dispensor of all grace, apparently this is a prayer to your Lord, Mary... Amen.”

My Lord is Jesus Christ for He is the Son of God, eternally begotten from the Father. True God from True God. One in Being with the Father.

“If you are counting on Mary saving you by prayer to her, you will never make it...”

My faith and trust is in Our Savior, Jesus Christ who is the Light & the Truth & in His Church which is led through fallible men by the Power of the Holy Spirit.

“It boggles my mind that you guys are counting on facing the White Throne Judgment where you have to stand and defend your own righteousness in the face of the Almighty God, where the outcome for failure will be an everlasting hell of torment...”

Then come to Mass and see Heaven touch earth on the Altar of Our Lord, Jesus Christ in the Sacrifice of the Mass that your mind might be “un-boggled” & your heart filled with hope & joy by the Presence of Christ Himself!


88 posted on 05/08/2010 5:09:46 PM PDT by TheStickman
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To: TheStickman; Amityschild; Brad's Gramma; Cvengr; DvdMom; firebrand; GiovannaNicoletta; Godzilla; ...

I think it’s hazardous to infer anything from those verses.

1. The prayers could easily have been only their prayers while in their mortal bodies on earth.

2. The prayers could easily have been exclusively devoid of any awareness of current goings on, on earth—particularly in any personally specific detail.

3. The prayers could easily have been exclusively YOUR WILL BE DONE, OH FATHER; YOUR NAME BE GLORIFIED, OH FATHER; YOUR SON REIGN SUPREME, OH FATHER etc.


89 posted on 05/08/2010 5:12:33 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: narses

IF

IF you wish to reformat it with a LOT more white space, I’ll consider reading it.


90 posted on 05/08/2010 5:13:17 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

It is the Holy Writ. Buy one. Read it. Love it. Accept it as the Gospel Truth.


91 posted on 05/08/2010 5:16:39 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Salvation

I think this is very interesting. My only concern is the line about “I place in thee all my hopes for salvation ...” and on that, I guess I just get hung up. I don’t have the same issues with Mary that man Protestants have. She is our Lord’s mother and should be venerated and adored. Blessings.


92 posted on 05/08/2010 5:20:27 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: narses

IF

IF you wish to reformat it with a LOT more white space, I’ll consider reading it.

IF . . . IF . . . you want me to read what you posted.

Large masses of text like that are almost painful to my eyes. I might be willing to look up the references.


93 posted on 05/08/2010 5:22:32 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: narses

NOPE.

I’m not going to look up all those refs.

IF you want me to read those verses, please reformat them with lots of white space.

If you do not, I’ll know it’s not that high a priority to you, either.

Your choice.


94 posted on 05/08/2010 5:23:58 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TheStickman
Eph. 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, (meaning the God head).

The Romans says that the love of God can not separate us, if you truly believe that this means what you think it says then there goes your doctrine of purgatory. Since in your opinion it means nothing can separator us spiritually and physically from God and that means that everyone who dies is in heaven. Then the RCC is separating believers from God with the purgatory doctrine.

95 posted on 05/08/2010 5:30:13 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Quix

LOL, dominance games eh? So sad, too bad. Try dealing with reality instead of UFO nonsense.


96 posted on 05/08/2010 5:35:08 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: narses

It’s so nice that y’all are so demonstrably wrong so often.

Thanks.


97 posted on 05/08/2010 5:36:31 PM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Right. You and your YOPIOS and UFO nonsense, you are the right.

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


98 posted on 05/08/2010 5:37:59 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: Quix
Paradise was the Jewish holding place it has nothing to do with heaven. You notice that Jesus did not say that they would be in heaven that very day. Christ descended to the non burning side of hell.
99 posted on 05/08/2010 5:41:26 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TheStickman
Then come to Mass and see Heaven touch earth on the Altar of Our Lord, Jesus Christ in the Sacrifice of the Mass that your mind might be “un-boggled” & your heart filled with hope & joy by the Presence of Christ Himself!

Most Catholics don't even believe this stuff...That's because it ain't Jesus, it's just a cracker...The black rock over in Mecca is just a rock...It ain't Allah...

You dont't get a spiritual connection by putting something into your stomach...

Real Christians are already in the presence of Christ Himself 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and 365 day a year...We don't eat a cracker to be in the presence of the Lord for a few minutes at a time...And neither do you...

100 posted on 05/08/2010 5:41:27 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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