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The truths about Mary are important because they are still truth, since they are based in the Bible.


Was reading along . . . mostly out of curiosity to see if there was anything new . . . until I near tripped over that one, sitting down.

It still boggles my mind that anyone . . . much less more or less bright CHRISTIANS . . . and a whole huge "Christian" institution . . . expect folks to believe that! It's bad enough that y'all believe it!

You think of the following as "BIBLICAL?!!!"

4 - She became Queen of Purgatory, where she exercises her power as mediatrix in behalf of these suffering souls.

"Just as a rock extracted from earth will precipitate into the abyss, so will man, left without Mary's help, quickly slide toward hell." --Richard of St Victor

Sacred Heart of Jesus, Thy kingdom come; Thy kingdom come through Mary!--Partial Indulgence

"Mary is[=] the tree of life to those who grasp her, and he is happy who hold her fast." --Prov. 3:18

Do y'all REALLY BELIEVE Mary has a microscopic shred of anything to do with fulfilling, being spoken specifically, personally of in Prov 3:18??? Has y'all's train REALLY RAN OFF THE CLIFF TO THAT EXTENT?

Even I am finding that very hard to wrap my mind around. I still prefer to think of several of you as bright, earnest, authentic Bible-believing Christians. Such things sure don't make clinging to that perspective very easy at all, at this point.

6 - To her was granted grace greater than that conferred upon all others, 'that she might vanquish sin in every respect.'

[Qx: I guess Christ's vanquishing sin was unnecessary--or ineffectual without Mary's assistance? GOD HAVE MERCY on such ghastly blasphemy! Wellll maybe not. Maybe HE NEEDS to have the opposite of mercy on such horrific stuff. May HE have HIS WILL with it.]

9 - God loved Mary so much that He gave her the keys to His heart. 'No one can go to God without Mary drawing him.'

[Qx: I guess Holy Spirit has been relegated to a 'Walter Mitty' role as spouse of Mary--per some of the outrageous assertions in John Ferraro's devotional that these are from. That's SOME POWER to cancel & take over HOLY SPIRIT'S role to draw men to God! And ANYONE REALLY *BELIEVES* !!!!THAT'S!!!! ????BIBLICAL???? Oh, right--in the land of daffynitions.]

10 - "As Noah's Ark saved all the animals that entered it, so Mary saves all the souls that entrust themselves to her care."

[QX:Doesn't ANYONE of y'all find your spirit grieving when reading such UNBIBLICAL heresy, blasphemy, idolatry? Don't any of you feel like rending your clothes and running out into the street or standing up in church screaming !!!!NO!!!! A THOUSAND TIMES !!!NO!!!!?? GOD HELP US!]

4 - "By becoming Mother of God, Mary belongs to the order of hypostatic union; hence she participates IN the infinite sanctity of God."

[QX: Don't any of you kind of quake or shiver with awesome abject reverential awe and fear at tempting ALMIGHTY GOD with such an outrageous assertion??? Perhaps THAT'S HOW WE NEED TO PRAY. That GOD ALMIGHTY, BY HIS SPIRIT WILL GIVE Y'ALL A VISION, A VISITATION OF HOW HE AND HOW THE AUTHENTIC MARY AND HOW CHRIST FEEL ABOUT SUCH AN OUTRAGE!
Clearly these are the END TIMES. It seems like every time I read these lines I get shocked to a new, deeper level. I'll ask the END TIMES prayer team to pray as they feel led according to that issue. GOD HAVE MERCY. GOD PLEASE HAVE MERCY!]

Within 2-6 months we could easily be up to our necks in a hell driven WWIII . . . and folks are running around loose at horrendous spiritual vulnerability for believing that kind of blasphemy. GOD HAVE MERCY.

10 posted on 05/08/2010 12:55:13 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R:
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To: Quix

Additional proof that Roman Catholicism is pagan to the core.

12 posted on 05/08/2010 1:19:07 AM PDT by Gamecock (If you want Your Best Life Now, follow Osteen. If you want your best life forever, don't. JM)
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To: Quix

Just one question here... What page numbers are you referring to? Is it the catechism book, or something else? Honestly, growing up my respect for Mary was as the woman whom was honored to raise Jesus.

This might sound a little strange because I don’t know if I can explain this well enough — it’s something that I “heard” during the time following my vision back in 2002...

Anyway, here goes...

The Holy Family a representation of the Holy Trinity that we have on Earth. Father, Mother, and Child - the miracle of creation - replicated in families throughout the Earth. The way God intended it to be. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not a “replacement” for the Holy Trinity in any way shape or form. There’s more to what I’m saying, but I can’t find the words for it right now. There is a deep truth in there somewhere that I just can’t articulate... It was such a beautiful “zen-like” moment of understanding, peace and love at the time, maybe that is why I can’t find words to express it...

One note: It was clear to me that a family is not two women raising children as a “couple”, and not two men raising children as a “couple”. God is NOT “cool” with that, at all. [That was made abundantly clear to me in the days following... I was out with my husband during the time that I still felt like I was in the state of grace described by St. Teresa, and I saw two men (who seemed like a couple) with a small child, and I instantly felt sick to my stomach, and literally started crying and I said to my husband - quietly - that it was NOT right, and our Lord and Savior did not look kindly on that, it actually hurts His “heart” that children are not being properly raised with the direct role models in their life that they need. We actually had to leave the restaurant as I was so bothered by it during that time. And, I still have gay friends to this day, and I don’t feel ill, or cry over it anymore even though it does make me sad, and I pray for those children — just in the days, like I said, that I was still feeling that “state of Grace” was the feeling so overwhelming and powerful.]

Anyway, in all my years in the Catholic Church I never once heard anyone saying that Mary was above God. I do know of her being referred to as the mother of God, but only in the way that Jesus was God in the flesh here on Earth — only being recognized as the human mother of Jesus, and chosen and blessed by God to carry His son and care for him here on Earth. She was truly blessed to have been chosen, and if all women were as Mary this world would be a much better place...

I have a healthy respect for Mary, as I believe we all should. I see her as a role model for mothers, and Joseph as a role model for fathers. Of course, Christ remains the Ultimate “Role Model” for our lives, but in looking at the Holy Family there are things for all of us to draw strength from. In my case I “heard” that my Mother and Father were in Heaven and my parents here on Earth were not as important as recognizing our “family” in Heaven — and there was definitely an emphasis on looking to God our Father as our REAL Father — especially for people like me who did not have a decent fatherly influence here on Earth.

I’m very interested in this subject as I’m always examining the beliefs I grew up with versus the things I’ve learned in searching for truth on my own over the last 20 years...

Anyway, I know I probably didn’t explain this clearly enough, so please bear with me! I’m still working on writing my experience down, but this is one part that I’m stuck on as it’s really hard to explain to others. I don’t know if it was the Holy Spirit helping to heal my soul from the damage done by my earthly father and from my dysfunctional family - or whether it’s something that I will be able to explain to others, or that others will benefit from if I can find the words to explain it clearly (I don’t know if it was a way God was explaining a concept to me personally or if it was a “broad” truth that we should all be aware of...).

I personally have no problem honoring Mary, as I explained above. However, to place her ABOVE God our Father in Heaven, or above Jesus (God in the flesh) is not right, IMHO. You don’t get to Heaven THROUGH Mary, Christ Himself said the only way to the Father is through Me (Jesus).

Anyway, like I said it’s hard to explain my exact beliefs on this, and especially hard to express what I learned about these issues during that soul-searching (fighting for my soul) experience I had.

16 posted on 05/08/2010 4:30:16 AM PDT by LibertyRocks ( ~ Anti-Obama Gear:
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To: Quix
Luther, Calvin and Zwingli disagree with you.

Within 2-6 months we could easily be up to our necks in a hell driven WWIII

WWIII; which apparently you were not a participant in, was the Cold War and we've been fighting WWIV ever since.

20 posted on 05/08/2010 4:53:56 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Quix

Alot of that is flowery language. Its a love for her intercession not to put her above God. I have had people pray for me. I can say they saved me by their pray not to mean their are the Redeemer who saved on the cross. Its really about the power of pray to Christ in him with him in the unity of the Holy Spirit. Which has the saints in unison “ of the u·ni·son (yn-sn, -zn)
1. Music
a. Identity of pitch; the interval of a perfect prime.
b. The combination of parts at the same pitch or in octaves.
2. The act or an instance of speaking the same words simultaneously by two or more speakers.
3. An instance of agreement; concord.
in unison
1. In complete agreement; exactly.
2. At the same time; at once. -

26 posted on 05/08/2010 8:07:36 AM PDT by johngrace
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To: Quix


53 posted on 05/08/2010 10:54:08 AM PDT by Blogger
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