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Are Mormons Christian? Inquiry into the Church of Latter Day Saints, a peculiarly American Religion
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Posted on 05/10/2010 7:41:06 PM PDT by delacoert

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To: MarkBsnr
I would not go as far as you....

Good people get fooled...

It happens all the time....

341 posted on 05/12/2010 4:54:50 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Osage Orange
Good people get fooled... It happens all the time....

Sadly, I must agree with you.

342 posted on 05/12/2010 4:57:09 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

“Did you say hose or hoser?

Take Off! To the Great White North! Take Off! It’s a Beauty Way to go! Take off you hosers!


343 posted on 05/12/2010 6:46:49 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: mamelukesabre

The moderator does the best that he can with us cats that he tries to herd. I sometimes have violent disagreements with him, but I respect him, and suggest that you reconsider.


344 posted on 05/12/2010 7:09:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: mamelukesabre

How about ‘delightsome’ ... what did your old English have as a meaning for that one?


345 posted on 05/12/2010 7:13:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: mamelukesabre; Religion Moderator

I can assure you that when the RelMod reads your cursings, they will be deleted. Spittle along now ...


346 posted on 05/12/2010 7:14:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

So like g'day and welcome to our record eh? So, thanks for coming down and playin'.

Well ten bucks is ten bucks...

347 posted on 05/12/2010 7:23:26 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: svcw

THX1138


348 posted on 05/12/2010 8:38:00 PM PDT by svcw (Habakkuk 2:3)
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To: Tennessee Nana
 

Disneyland...thats great !!!

 

 

It has SECRETS; too!

 
       
 
 
 
Both let you leave when you run out of money...

349 posted on 05/13/2010 4:32:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mamelukesabre
 
Here’s a hint, it had NOTHING to do with race.

 
Speaking of race...
 



 

"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.

The first man that committed the odious crime of killing one of his brethren will be cursed the longest of any one of the children of Adam. Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings.

This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin. Trace mankind down to after the flood, and then another curse is pronounced upon the same race--that they should be the 'servant of servants', and they will be, until that curse is removed."

Brigham Young-President and second 'Prophet' of the Mormon Church, 1844-1877- Extract from Journal of Discourses.



Here are two examples from their 'other testament', the Book of Mormon.

  2 Nephi 5: 21    'And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people, the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.'

  Alma 3: 6    'And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.'



 

August 27, 1954 in an address at Brigham Young University (BYU), Mormon Elder, Mark E Peterson, in speaking to a convention of teachers of religion at the college level, said:

"The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political affiliations to color their thinking to some extent.I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the Negro is after."

"He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn't just trying to ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn't that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the Negro seeks absorption with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage."

"That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feelings to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for Negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, 'First we pity, then endure, then embrace'...."

(Rosa Parks would have probably told Petersen under which wheel of the bus he should go sit.)



 1967, (then) Mormon President Ezra Taft Benson said,

"The Communist program for revolution in America has been in progress for many years and is far advanced. First of all, we must not place the blame upon Negroes. They are merely the unfortunate group that has been selected by professional Communist agitators to be used as the primary source of cannon fodder."



We are told that on June 8, 1978, it was 'revealed' to the then president, Spencer Kimball, that people of color could now gain entry into the priesthood.

According to the church, Kimball spent many long hours petitioning God, begging him to give worthy black people the priesthood. God finally relented.



Sometime before the 'revelation' came to chief 'Prophet' Spencer Kimball in June 1978, General Authority, Bruce R McConkie had said:

"The Blacks are denied the Priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty.

The Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow there from, but this inequality is not of man's origin, it is the Lord's doings."

(Mormon Doctrine, pp. 526-527).



When Mormon 'Apostle' Mark E Petersen spoke on 'Race Problems- As they affect the Church' at the BYU campus in 1954, the following was also said:

"...if the negro accepts the gospel with real, sincere faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessings of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory."



When Mormon 'Prophet' and second President of the Church, Brigham Young, spoke in 1863 the following was also said:

"Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God is death on the spot. This will always be so."

(Journal of Discourses, Vo. 10, p. 110)



350 posted on 05/13/2010 4:35:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MHGinTN
How about ‘delightsome’ ... what did your old English have as a meaning for that one?

Hasn't the BoM gone thru some flippy-floppy changes on this?

351 posted on 05/13/2010 4:37:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mamelukesabre; Tennessee Nana
I don’t know how to tell ya this, but the words fair, white, dark, black, etc all used to mean something else in old fashioned british english. Here’s a hint, it had NOTHING to do with race. Fair meant fine or unblemished. white meant good or godly. dark and black meant ungodly or sinister.

As late as 1977?

Also did you actually READ what was posted (rhetorical question)?

Such gems as:"darkness of their skins" "skins of the Laminates were dark"

You don't even know what books make up Mormon Scripture yet you come trying to look brilliant and call others ignorant?

Truly funny.

Oh, and that "old fashion "british english" is referred to as English you gormless twit.

352 posted on 05/13/2010 7:01:20 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22
ThuRsday
353 posted on 05/13/2010 9:26:10 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I have discovered Campbell's Senior alphabet soup....it comes in large type.!)
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To: Elsie

LOL


354 posted on 05/15/2010 4:25:34 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I have discovered Campbell's Senior alphabet soup....it comes in large type.!)
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