It must be that invisible ink that freepers use
Need a pair of these to read it
Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
Why are you adding words to Scripture that were NEVER there?
Matthew 28:19 in an accurate Bible says...
19 Going therefore, teach ye all nations; baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.-Douay-Rheims
Which says NOTHING about not baptizing infants
Thanks for the information,dear Kosta.
Where do I send the check? ;) LOL!
Pinging you to Kosta’s post #2355.
“Disciple” is the right word at Matt. 28:19.
” maqhteuw
matheteuo
math-ayt-yoo’-o
from maqhthV - mathetes 3101; intransitively, to become a pupil; transitively, to disciple, i.e. enrol as scholar:—be disciple, instruct, teach.”
Infants are not enrolled as scholars, pupils, etc. and so are NOT subjects for baptism. Disciple first, baptize second.
Try again?
Making stuff up again and adding words and translations that are NOT in Matt 28:19
If you want to get technical being a Disciple could mean teaching Infant Baptism to others-instruct ,teach
Are you a jehovah witness or Mormon?
How “indicates”? It says nothing about baptism?
The N.T. only discusses baptism being performed on those old enough to learn and embrace the word, old enough to become disciples as Jesus instructed.
Disciple first, baptize second.
NO,it's your wrong interpretation that makes you believe this. The Early Christians disagree with you.
The N.T also says the mustard seed is the smallest seed on earth. That's NOT true either.
Are you going to stubbornly insist it is because that's what is in your Bible?
Also, It's proper to ping Kosta when you use something from what he posted
“The N.T also says the mustard seed is the smallest seed on earth. That's NOT true either.”
What else is not true in the N.T., in your opinion?
Humble apologies k50, consider yourself pinged.
Thanks for the efforts, both of you.
Besides, it's irrelevant to the point at hand. I also don't deal in irrelevancies.
Ignorance is bliss.
Lots of things. :)
You don't have a page. What's the purpose of misleading here?
It must be that invisible ink that freepers use
No, I don’t have an about page, that’s why I asked you to check it. Subtle I know but it’ll come to you.
“”What else is not true in the N.T., in your opinion?””
There are many things if you read them literally
Many fundamentalist literally believe what is written instead of the meaning of what it is written for
Take a look at Deuteronomy 21:23 for instance,it says .. “for he is accursed of God that hangeth on a tree”
According to the Bible literalist this would mean Jesus is condemned as well. But we base our religion on the experience of the Risen Lord, which was prophesied by reading this book in a certain manner! As a result, by slavishly following “the book” while disregarding Christian interpretations of it, I find it difficult to understand how one can accuse those first Christians of “contradicting” Scripture, as if that disqualifies one from being Christian. The Bible was NEVER their first and only rule of faith! Christians found that they HAD to “contradict” the commonly-held notions to explain their cognitive dissonance that they experienced.
Before condemning an interpretation, one SHOULD look at what the first Christians did and practiced. It is possible that your own interpretations might be incorrect - since you are far removed in time and culture from the original authors of Scripture, the Apostles.
“Before condemning an interpretation, one SHOULD look at what the first Christians did and practiced. It is possible that your own interpretations might be incorrect - since you are far removed in time and culture from the original authors of Scripture, the Apostles.”
“Take a look at Deuteronomy 21:23 for instance,it says .. “for he is accursed of God that hangeth on a tree”
From someone who was not far removed from the time and culture:
“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written: Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree”
Gal. 3:13. Guess Paul was a “fundamentalist literalist”,
etc., right? Or maybe that's not an “accurate translation”?
“”Gal. 3:13. Guess Paul was a “fundamentalist literalist””
Regarding Gal 3:13...
This is what we call typology,dear friend .It’s is how we understand the Scriptures in many cases, The O.T is revealed in the N.T and a N.T type is always superior to the O.T
Now, here is how it’s used to show Christ is Divine and Triune
From scripturecatholic.com
Old and New Testament Parallels of God the Father and God the Son
Exodus 3:14 - God says “I AM who I AM” - John 8:58 - Jesus says “Before Abraham was, I AM” in reference to Himself.
Deut. 4:2; 12:32 - the Lord God commands that we not add or take away from His word - Rev. 22:18-19 - Jesus so commands us not to add or take away from His word.
Deut. 32:39; 1 Sam. 2:6 - the Lord kills and makes alive again and raises up - John 5:21 - the Son raises and gives life.
Deut. 32:39 - neither is there any that can deliver out of God’s hand - John 10:28 - nor shall any pluck out of Jesus’ hand.
Deut. 32:43 - rejoice, ye heavens, with Him, and let all the angels of God worship Him - Heb. 1:6 - the “Him” is Jesus the Son.
2 Sam. 22:3 - God is the horn of salvation - Luke 1:68-69 - Jesus is the horn of salvation.
Psalm 19:7 - the law of the Lord is perfect - Gal. 6:2 - fulfill the law of Christ.
Psalm 24:10 - the Lord is the King of glory - 1 Cor. 2:8 - Jesus is the Lord of glory.
Psalm 45:7 - Therefore God, your God, has anointed you. God calls someone else God. This someone else is His eternally begotten Son - Heb. 1:9 - Therefore God, your God, has anointed you. cf. Heb. 1:8, 10.
Psalm 62:12 - the Lord God renders to each according to his work - Matt. 16:27; Rev. 22:12 - Jesus so renders to each according to his work.
Psalm 71:5 - the Lord God is our hope - 1 Tim. 1:1 - the Lord Jesus Christ who is our hope.
Psalm 89:27 – I will make him the first-born, the highest (“elyon” which refers to God) of the kings of the earth - John 18:36-27 – Jesus is this first-born king.
Psalm 97:9 - the Lord God is above all - John 3:31 - Jesus is above all.
Psalms 110:1 - the Lord (Yahweh) said to my Lord - Jesus = Yhwh - Acts 2:34-36 - God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ.
Psalm 148:1-2 - the angels worship the Lord God - Heb. 1:6 - the angels worship Jesus. Only God is worshiped.
Prov. 3:12 - who the Lord loves He corrects - Rev. 3:19 - who Jesus loves He corrects.
Isaiah 7:14 - a virgin will bear a Son named Emmanuel which means “God is with us” - Matt. 1:23 - this Son is Jesus Christ, God in the flesh.
Isaiah 9:6 - the child to be born shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 25:8 - God swallows up death in victory - 2 Tim. 1:10 - Jesus abolishes death and brings life and immortality.
Isaiah 40:8 - the Word of God shall stand forever - Matt. 24:35 - the Words of Jesus shall not pass away.
Isaiah 42:8 - God gives His glory to no other - John 17:5; Heb. 1:3 - yet Jesus has the same glory as the Father.
Isaiah 43:14 - the Lord God is redeemer - Titus 2:14 - Jesus is the redeemer.
Isaiah 44:6 - the Lord God is the first and the last - Rev. 1:17; 2:8; 22:13 - Jesus is the first and the last.
Isaiah 45:19 - I, the Lord God, did not speak in secret - John 18:20 - Jesus said “I have said nothing secretly.”
Isaiah 45:23 - to God, every knee shall bow and every tongue swear. Phil. 2:10-11 - at Jesus’ name every knee should bow and tongue confess.
Isaiah 48:17 - God is the Holy One - Acts 3:14 - Jesus is the Holy One.
Isaiah 60:19 - God is everlasting light - Revelation 21:23 - Jesus the Lamb is eternal light.
Jer. 17:10 - the Lord searches the hearts and repays us according to our deeds - Rev. 2:23 - Jesus searches the hearts and repays us according to our deeds.
Ezek. 1:26-28; Daniel 7:9 - God’s glorious appearance - Rev. 1:13-16 - Jesus’ glorious appearance.
Ezek. 34:11-31 - God the Father is the shepherd of the flock - John 10:7-29 - Jesus is the shepherd of the flock.
Ezek. 34:16 - God seeks to save that which was lost - Luke 19:10 - Jesus seeks to save that which was lost.
Ezek. 34:17 - God judges between cattle, rams and goats - Matt. 25:32 - Jesus judges and separates the goats from the sheep.
Ezek. 43:2 - God’s voice was like a noise of many waters - Rev. 1:15 - Jesus’ voice was like the sound of many waters.
Dan. 2:47 - the Lord is the God of gods and the Lord of Lords - Rev. 17:14 - Jesus the Lamb is the Lord of Lords.
And of course the Early Christians wrote abour it too
some examples....
“For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.” Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, 121 (A.D. 155).
“But the Son of God is the Logos of the Father, in idea and in operation; for after the pattern of Him and by Him were all things made, the Father and the Son being one. And, the Son being in the Father and the Father in the Son, in oneness and power of spirit, the understanding and reason of the Father is the Son of God. But if, in your surpassing intelligence, it occurs to you to inquire what is meant by the Son, I will state briefly that He is the first product of the Father, not as having been brought into existence (for from the beginning, God, who is the eternal mind, had the Logos in Himself, being from eternity instinct with Logos.” Athenagoras, Plea for Christians, 10 (A.D. 177).
“For Scripture as much announces Christ as also God, as it announces God Himself as man.” Novatian, Concerning the Trinity, 11 (A.D. 235).
“If of Christ; he could not become His temple, since he denies that Christ is God.” Cyprian, To Jubaianus, Epistle 72[73]:12 (A.D. 256).
You quoted Deut.:
Take a look at Deuteronomy 21:23 for instance,it says .. “for he is accursed of God that hangeth on a tree”
Paul said in quoting this Scripture:
“Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:” Gal. 3:13.
So while the cut and paste “From scripturecatholic.com” is interesting , it really doesn't pertain to the question of whether Paul was what you described , a “fundamentalist, literalist” does it?
And of course it doesn't say anything about Christ “ being made a curse for us”, does it?
Nor have you suggested how Gal. 3:13 might be understood if NOT literally.
Thanks anyway.
First of all, I never said or implied Saint Paul was a fundamentalist,you guessed that I might think that. I don’t believe he was!
Some of Saint Paul’s writings have important typological significance that shows that people who deny things like the Trinity are in grave error,thus I believe Paul’s writings are inspired by God for the reason to show truth in the Trinity
Secondly, what was posted from Scripture Catholic is completely backed up with the writings of Early Christians as I illustrated.
Those who deny the Trinity have NO such typology of Scripture and NO writings from Early Christians to back their heretical claims of denying the Trinity
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