Posted on 06/13/2010 12:16:24 PM PDT by markomalley
"Paul definitely is not Trinitarian." -- Posted by MarkBsnr on April 24, 2010.
Thank you for the very apt example of shoddy, dishonest Roman Catholic apologetics.
Judith Anne, I'm still waiting for your wisdom to shine on Paul's writings rejecting Trinitarian doctrine. Is my wait in vain?
That ok news...but not particularly GOOD news ... because all of that accomplished NOTHING for men, they still have to do EVERYTHING for themselves.. work work work..
"Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures."1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Now THAT is good news
I never say that Paul was anti Trinitarian.
"Paul definitely is not Trinitarian." -- Posted by MarkBsnr on April 24, 2010.
Put the two of them together. They are consistent and I stand with them both. Paul does not preach the Trinitarian formula and the fact is that you are unable to provide the verse because Paul does not have any. You are wrong.
Thank you for the very apt example of shoddy, dishonest Roman Catholic apologetics.
I will accept your apology in the very public way that you have once again humiliated yourself.
Dr. E, I wouldn't bother trying to prove to Mark that the Apostle Paul fully understood AND preached the deity of Christ and WAS a believer in the trinity. I have tried, with considerable Scriptural proof, oh, about four or five times now in the past year or so, and they are completely dismissed. What will it take to convince a person who's mind is set?
You would think these verses alone would do it:
Colossians 2:8-10 (New American Standard Bible)
8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,
10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
But, astonishingly, it didn't. And we KNOW Paul wrote the letter to the Colossians (see chapter 1 verses 1 and 2). I also included many other verses from Paul's letters such as Rom. 8:9-11; Rom. 9:5; Rom. 14:8-9; Rom. 15:16, 19, 29; I Cor. 1:24;II Cor. 4:3,4,6; II Cor. 5:19; and II Cor. 13:14. To no avail. I really don't think it worth the extra effort, which is probably why you haven't replied to it already. Good thinking. :o)
Who is Paul preaching to, and why?
Notice that Paul says that in order to be saved that they must hold fast the word which he preached unless they believed in vain. What does believing in vain mean to you?
What do you mean by “PWD”?
Evidently my comment touched a nerve, for you to drag a comment made over two months ago on a different thread to this thread here.
St. Paul WAS a bit loony (a word that you used first, on this thread). Too bad Calvin picked up the worst of St. Paul and made of it a vicious sect. And I doubt St. Paul had any idea of trinitarianism, he was so fixed on his vision. But he certainly did uphold the importance of works at the judgement, along with other passages of scripture which do the same. Those verses of his which show that are posted here.
It’s no wonder then that I feel we are arguing politics one moment and religion the next. IT’S THE SAME THING IN CATHOLICISM. And the amount of distancing from one area or another when it becomes uncomfortable, with eager pawns stepping up to defend the indefensible is positively comparable to the democrat party in this country. Blind allegiance to a system that people think hold the keys to their future. It’s a plantation religion.
What do you mean by "PWD"? Are you afraid to say?
You would think these verses alone would do it:
Colossians 2:8-10 (New American Standard Bible) 8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. 9For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;
Aren't you forgetting something? The Holy Spirit? The Trinity consists of three members of the Triune God. Where is the Holy Spirit. Regardless of what fullness of Deity means, where is the Holy Spirit? Your other examples are equally missing the Nicene formula.
When you can find the Nicene formula in Paul, please present it.
Oooh, we'd better be careful or she'll run off and tattle to the mods.
Actually, I think that what might apply is the 'elderly' tag. Certainly the brain cells are set in cement - those that still exist and are usable.
Are your politics separate from your religion? Is your religion separate from your finances? Is your religion separate from your vote? Do you keep God in a compartment where He cannot influence the rest of your life?
still waiting...
Nope. Their god is the god that they see in the mirror. They keep it on the hall stand and rub its head for luck when they walk by.
Their religious beliefs vary according to their whims, their attention span, their comfort level and the condition of their belly. Nothing is anything and anything may be believed.
You’re right. I just want to know what she means by “PWD.” Because if she means “posting while drunk” that’s against the rules on the RF (if I recall correctly — I could be wrong). Which is probably why there isn’t any answer to my question.
maybe it means ‘posting while DECEIVED’
Due to the antagonistic, argumentative tone of your posts, the word "dear" does not apply here and is most unwelcome and offensive. If you continue to address me in a falsely affectionate tone, I will leave the forum.
Posting when dumb
Petting wild ducks
Pressing wet dungarees
Prepping wee Dubliners
I don’t know. I wonder if they do...
Heh.
Please don’t. I’m still waiting for your Paul’s writings rejection of Trinitarianism. I’ll try harder not to call you dear.
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