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580 Reasons (& counting) Why You Should Leave the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints [II]
Life After Ministries ^ | 2007

Posted on 06/13/2010 6:28:26 PM PDT by Colofornian

41 – Baptism for Dead not Necessary

2 Nephi 9:38; “And, in fine, wo unto all those who die in their sins; for they shall return to God, and behold his face, and remain in their sins.”

Isaiah 64:6; “But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”

42 – Baptism, Resurrection, Church; Circa 120 BC

Mosiah 26:2; “They did not believe what had been said concerning the resurrection of the dead, neither did they believe concerning the coming of Christ. 4 And they would not be baptized; neither would they join the church. And they were a separate people as to their faith, and remained so ever after, even in their carnal and sinful state; for they would not call upon the Lord their God.”

1 Timothy 6:3-5; “If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.”

43 – Baptism then Holy Spirit

Cowley’s Talks on Doctrine, pg. 110; “Having shown that faith, repentance and baptism are essential to the remission of sins, let us now consider the reception of the Holy Spirit. That this should follow, and not precede, the birth of the water must be evident to every thoughtful person.”

Acts 2:41; “Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”

44 – Belief

Newsweek, "What Mormons Believe," September 1, 1980, p. 68; “Mormon doctrine means that ultimately we are not dependent upon God for our existence. And since we can make ourselves as godly as the Father, we don’t feel any jealousy toward him.” BYU Professor James E. Ford

2 Tim. 2:16; “But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.”

Bible

45 – Bible vs. Book of Mormon

Come, Listen to a Prophet’s Voice, pg. 15; “Of the four great standard works of the Church—the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price—I would particularly urge you to read again and again the Book of Mormon and ponder and apply its teachings. The Book of Mormon was referred to by the Prophet Joseph Smith as "the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man [and woman] would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book."”

1 John 5:13; “These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

46 – Bible is Eternal

2 Nephi 9:16; “And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away.”

Matthew 5:18; “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”

47 – Bible, Is it Trustworthy?

“A Bible, A Bible!” pgs. 16-17; “Early in the Prophet's ministry the Lord instructed him to make a revision, or as he termed it, a "translation" of the Bible. This was not to be a translation in the usual sense, employing a knowledge of biblical languages, use of ancient manuscripts, and the usual procedure and paraphernalia of the scholar, but rather a translation in which Joseph Smith would discern the true intent of the Bible through revelation. It is now known as the Joseph Smith Translation, or JST…A major purpose of the new translation seems to have been the spiritual understanding that came to the Prophet as a result of his effort.”

Hebrews 8:10-11; “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.”

2 Timothy 3:13-15; “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”

48 – Bible isn’t True

8th Article of Faith; “We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.”

2 Tim. 3:16; “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”

49 – Bible not for Modern Times - *

JD 2:75-76; “The words contained in this Bible are merely a history of what is gone by; it was never given to guide the servant of God in the course he should pursue, any more than the words and commandments of God, given to a generation under one set of circumstances, would serve for another generation under another set of circumstances…The Bible is not a sufficient guide; it is only the history of the people who lived 1800 years ago. The history of our Church in this day, presents the scenes and transactions of this people—the revelations and words of God to them…”

1 Peter 1:25; “But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”

50 – Bishop Holds Keys to Cleansing Power

Morality, pg. 108; “For those of you inside the Church there is a way, not entirely painless, but certainly possible. You can stand clean and spotless before Him. Guilt will be gone, and you can be at peace. Go to your bishop. He holds the key to this cleansing power.”

1 John 1:7; “But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.”

51 – Bishop Must be Related to Aaron Unless Ordained

D&C 68:18-19; “No man has a legal right to this office, to hold the keys of this priesthood, except he be a literal descendant and the firstborn of Aaron. 19 But, as a high priest of the Melchizedek Priesthood has authority to officiate in all the lesser offices he may officiate in the office of bishop when no literal descendant of Aaron can be found, provided he is called and set apart and ordained unto this power, under the hands of the First Presidency of the Melchizedek Priesthood.”

Titus 1:7-9; “For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.”

BLACKS

52 – Blacks are Slaves Mentally

JD 5:217; “Elder Hyde inquired the situation of the negro. I replied, they came into the world slaves mentally and physically. Change their situation with the whites, and they would be like them. They have souls, and are subjects of salvation. Go into Cincinnati or any city, and find an educated negro, who rides in his carriage, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability. The slaves in Washington are more refined than many in high places, and the black boys will take the shine of many of those they brush and wait on.”

1 Cor. 12:13; “For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”

53 – Blacks and Whites are Saved

2 Nephi 26:33; “…he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.”

Galatians 3:28; “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”

54 – Blacks Not Born Innocent

Way to Perfection, pg. 102; “In the spirit of sympathy, mercy and faith, we will also hope that blessings may eventually be given to our negro brethren, for they are our brethren-children of God-notwithstanding their black covering emblematical of eternal darkness.”

James 2:1-4; “My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?”

55 – Blacks are Satan’s Representatives after Flood

Gospel Kingdom, pgs. 103; “…And then the devil put on a long face and said, I imagined I had got rid of these fellows; but they are going to have a chance yet that I did not think of. And after the flood we are told that the curse that had been pronounced upon Cain was continued through Ham's wife, as he had married a wife of that seed. And why did it pass through the flood? Because it was necessary that the devil should have a representation upon the earth as well as God.”

Genesis 6:10; “And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.”

56 – God Cursed People with Dark Skin

2 Nephi 5:21; “And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.”

Genesis 4:11, 15; “And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; 15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.”

57 – Blacks, Why They Were Accepted into Church

Revelations of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 353; “Under these conditions President Spencer W. Kimball began an exhaustive personal study of the scriptures as well as statements of Church leaders since Joseph Smith, and asked other General Authorities to share their personal feelings relative to the longstanding Church policy. Then he began to inquire of the Lord if the time was not right to extend the priesthood blessings to this restricted people. Recalling this period, President Kimball stated, "Day after day, and especially on Saturdays and Sundays when there were no organizations in the temple, I went there when I could be alone." The result was a revelation on 1 June 1978.”

Romans 12:2; “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”

58 – Blind Faith

Improvement Era, June 1945; “When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan—it is God's plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy. God works in no other way. To think otherwise, without immediate repentance, may cost one his faith, may destroy his testimony, and leave him a stranger to the kingdom of God.”

59 – Blind Faith

Ensign, August 1979, pg. 2; “Recently, at the Churchwide fireside meeting held for the women of the Church, Young Women President Elaine Cannon made the following statement: “When the Prophet speaks, … the debate is over” (Ensign, Nov. 1978, p. 108). I was impressed by that simple statement, which carries such deep spiritual meaning for all of us.”

Matt. 15:8-9, 14-15: “This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 14Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.”

60 – Blind Obedience

Conference Report, Oct. 1960, Marion Romney, pg, 78; “My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it." Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, "But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray."”

2 Peter 1:10; “Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.”

61 – Blind Obedience

July 1972 Ensign, pg. 87, Joseph Fielding Smith; “Now, brethren, I think there is one thing which we should have exceedingly clear in our minds. Neither the President of the Church, nor the First Presidency, nor the united voice of the First Presidency and the Twelve will ever lead the Saints astray or send forth counsel to the world that is contrary to the mind and will of the Lord.”

Prov. 27:17; “Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.”

62 – Blood Atonement

Brigham Young, JD 4:220; “I have known a great many men who have left this Church for whom there is no chance whatever for exaltation, but if their blood had been spilled, it would have been better for them. The wickedness and ignorance of the nations forbid this principle's being in full force, but the time will come when the law of God will be in full force. This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it. Any of you who understand the principles of eternity, if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind.”

1 Thessalonians 4:6; “That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.”

63 – Blood Changes at Conversion

TPJS, pg. 149; “…while the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile, is to purge out the old blood, and make him actually of the seed of Abraham. That man that has none of the blood of Abraham (naturally) must have a new creation by the Holy Ghost. In such a case, there may be more of a powerful effect upon the body, and visible to the eye, than upon an Israelite, while the Israelite at first might be far before the Gentile in pure intelligence.”

Galatians 3:28-29; “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

Boastful Claims

64 – Arrogance of BY

JD 13:95; “I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture.”

2 Peter 1:20; “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”

65 – Arrogance of Joseph Smith

HC 6:408-409; “Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”

Deut. 34:10; “And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face.”

Deut. 28:66; “And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life.”

66 – Book of Life

Ensign, Nov. 1994, 8; “Look to the temple of the Lord as the great symbol of your membership.”

Revelation 3:5; “He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.”

Book of Mormon

67 – Book of Mormon – Another Testament

Front Cover; Book of Mormon; “Another Testament of Jesus Christ”.

Gal. 1:6-9; “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

68 – Book of Mormon

D&C 20:9; “Which contains a record of a fallen people, and the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles and to the Jews also.”

1 Cor. 15:1-4; “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.”

69 – Book of Mormon, Accept it or be Damned

Jan. 15, 1842, Times & Seasons 3:658; “…God inspired them to frame the American Constitution…This was also done to prepare the way for the coming forth of the Book of Mormon—the stick of Joseph—that he might lift it up (in connection with the Bible) as an ensign upan [sic] the moantains, [sic] and set it as a sign among the people for the purpose of gathering and uniting the whole house of Israel into one nation upon their own land, and also for the purpose of re-establishing the kingdom of God upon the earth with all its officers, gifts and blessings.”

Mark 13:22; “For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.”

70 – Book of Mormon, Biblical Prophecies of the

Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 158; “According to a prophecy of Joseph in Egypt, preserved in the Book of Mormon (2 Ne. 3:4-21), two sets of records would be kept by two tribes of Israel-one (the Bible) written by the tribe of Judah and the other (Book of Mormon) kept by the tribe of Joseph (2 Ne. 3:12; cf. Ezek. 37:15-19).”

2 Peter 1:20-21; “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”

71 – Book of Mormon Evidences

Teachings of Harold B. Lee, pg. 155; “Don't be concerned over Book of Mormon geography. Some say the Hill Cumorah was in southern Mexico (and someone pushed it down still farther) and not in western New York. Well, if the Lord wanted us to know where it was or where Zarahemla was, He'd have given us latitude and longitude, don't you think? And why bother our heads trying to discover with archaeological certainty the geographical locations of the cities of the Book of Mormon like Zarahemla? (66-07) The witness of the Book of Mormon is not found in the ruins of Central and South America. They may be outward evidences of a people long since disappeared. The real witness is that which is found in the Book of Mormon itself. The Book of Mormon ought to be to you one of the most prized books you have. (73-21, p. 3) The Book of Mormon is its own best evidence. So far as we are concerned, the best evidence in the world of the truth of the Book of Mormon is the Book of Mormon itself. (72-19).”

Ezek. 13:3; “Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!”

72 – Book of Mormon Evidences

Studies of the Book of Mormon, by B.H. Roberts, p. 271; “There were other Anti-Christs among the Nephites, but they were more military leaders than religious innovators... they are all of one breed and brand; so nearly alike that one mind is the author of them, and that a young and underdeveloped, but piously inclined mind. The evidence I sorrowfully submit, points to Joseph Smith as their creator. It is difficult to believe that they are a product of history, that they came upon the scene separated by long periods of time, and among a race which was the ancestral race of the red man of America.”

2 Tim. 3:13-15; “But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.”

73 – Five Reasons for Book of Mormon

Especially for Missionaries, vol. 1; “The purpose of the Book of Mormon is fivefold. First, it stands as a second testament or witness for Jesus Christ. Second, it authenticates the Bible. Third, it shows the goodness of God to his children. Fourth, it makes people aware of the promises that God has made to his children. And fifth, it restores to earth many plain and precious truths that have been lost since the fulness of the gospel existed.”

1 Peter 1:25; “But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.”

74 – God Commanded Jews to Flee to Wilderness?

1 Nephi 17:47; “Wherefore, the Lord commanded my father that he should depart into the wilderness; and the Jews also sought to take away his life…”

Jeremiah 42:9-11; “And said unto them, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, unto whom ye sent me to present your supplication before him; 10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you. 11 Be not afraid of the king of Babylon, of whom ye are afraid; be not afraid of him, saith the LORD: for I am with you to save you, and to deliver you from his hand.” (See vs. 7-22 for full story)

75 – Book of Mormon god can’t keep promises

Mosiah 27:13; “Nevertheless he cried again, saying: Alma, arise and stand forth, for why persecutest thou the church of God? For the Lord hath said: This is my church, and I will establish it; and nothing shall overthrow it, save it is the transgression of my people.”

Colossians 2:16-18; “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshiping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.” [Note: see all of passage Col. 2:16-23.]

Acts 9:2-5; “And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.”

76 – Book of Mormon, Man Gets Nearer to God by

TPJS, pg. 194; “Perfection of the Book of Mormon – Sunday, 28.—I spent the day in the council with the Twelve Apostles at the house of President Young, conversing with them upon a variety of subjects. Brother Joseph Fielding was present, having been absent four years on a mission to England. I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book. (November 28, 1841.) —DHC 4:461.”

Matthew 24:35; “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”

77 – Book of Mormon & Mark Twain

Roughing It 1872, pgs. 58-59; “All men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few except the "elect" have seen it, or, at least, taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake. The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so "slow," so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle — keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate. If he, according to tradition, merely translated it from certain ancient and mysteriously-engraved plates of copper, which he declares he found under a stone in an out-of-the-way locality, the work of translating was equally a miracle, for the same reason.”

78 – Book of Mormon Oddities

Alma 14:21; “And many such things did they say unto them, gnashing their teeth upon them, and spitting upon them, and saying: How shall we look when we are damned?”

John 7:17; “If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.”

Gal. 6:7; “Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

79 – Book of Mormon Problems

2 Nephi 19:1; “Nevertheless, the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun, and the land of Naphtali, and afterwards did more grievously afflict by the way of the Red Sea beyond Jordan in Galilee of the nations.”

Isaiah 9:1; “But there will be no more gloom for her who was in anguish; in earlier times He treated the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali with contempt, but later on He shall make it glorious, by the way of the sea, on the other side of Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles.”

80 – Book of Mormon, Testing of

Approach to the Book of Mormon, pg. 16; “The Book of Mormon can and should be tested. It invites criticism, and the best possible test for its authenticity is provided by its own oft-proclaimed provenance in the Old World.”

2 Peter 1:19-20; “So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. 20But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation.”

81 – Book of Mormon, Three Witnesses to

Faith, pg. 2; “In the early days of the restoration of the Church, Sidney Rigdon did not retain his membership in the kingdom even though he had, with Joseph Smith, witnessed marvelous signs. Had he not participated in the great vision, and had he not been the recipient of many revelations? Yet despite all these manifestations from our Heavenly Father, he did not remain in the kingdom…Oliver Cowdery saw many signs. He handled the sacred plates; saw John the Baptist; received the higher priesthood from Peter, James, and John; and was the recipient of many great miracles; and yet they could not hold him to the faith.” – Also see EM, pg. 1565.

Galatians 5:1; “Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.”

82 – Book of Mormon: True or False?

Pamphlets, Latter-day Tracts, pg. 1; “This book must be either true or false. If true, it is one of the most important messages ever sent from God to man, affecting both the temporal and eternal interests of every people under heaven to the same extent and in the same degree that the message of Noah affected the inhabitants of the old world. If false, it is one of the most cunning, wicked, bold, deep-laid impositions ever palmed upon the world, calculated to deceive and ruin millions who will sincerely receive it as the word of God, and will suppose themselves securely built upon the rock of truth until they are plunged with their families into hopeless despair. The nature of the message in the Book of Mormon is such, that if true, no one can possibly be saved and reject it; if false, no one can possibly be saved and receive it. Therefore, every soul in all the world is equally interested in ascertaining its truth or falsity.”

Proverbs 30:5-6; “Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”

83 – Born Again

Encyclopedia of Joseph Smith’s Teachings; “Being born again, comes by the Spirit of God through ordinances. (Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 vols. 3:392)”

John 3:1-16; “There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews…For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”

84 – Brethren – don’t betray

TPJS pg. 156; “O ye Twelve! and all Saints! profit by this important Key—that in all your trials, troubles, temptations, afflictions, bonds, imprisonments and death, see to it, that you do not betray heaven; that you do not betray Jesus Christ; that you do not betray the brethren; that you do not betray the revelations of God, whether in Bible, Book of Mormon, or Doctrine and Covenants, or any other that ever was or ever will be given and revealed unto man in this world or that which is to come. Yea, in all your kicking and flounderings, see to it that you do not this thing, lest innocent blood be found upon your skirts, and you go down to hell. All other sins are not to be compared to sinning against the Holy Ghost, and proving a traitor to the brethren.”

Psalm 118:8; “It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.”

85 – Brigham Young is LDS Dictator

JD 7:19-20; “What do you say, brethren and sisters? Do you not think it best for us to do right, each person individually being led by the dictations of the Holy Spirit, listening diligently to those who are appointed to lead, govern, and dictate this people? You know what I mean by this. President Young is our governor and our dictator. It is for me to walk with him, and for you to walk with those who go before you.”

Oswald Chambers, My Utmost for His Highest, November 17th, “My goal is God Himself … At any cost, dear Lord, by any road.”

86 – Burning in the Bosom

D&C 9:8; “But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.”

Proverbs 28:26; “He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.”

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87 – Cain Became Perdition

Doctrines of Salvation 2:280; “Satan wanted him because Cain had a body, He wanted more power. A man with a body of course will have greater power than just a spirit without a body. Cain sinned with his eyes open, so he became Perdition, the father of lies.”

Exodus 20:11; “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”

88 – Cain to Rule Over Satan

Doctrines of Salvation 2:279; “CAIN TO RULE OVER SATAN. Sons of perdition will have an ascendancy over Satan himself, because he has no body. But who is Perdition? The Lord said to Cain: "If thou doest well, thou shalt be accepted. And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door, and Satan desireth to have thee; and except thou shalt hearken unto my commandments, I will deliver thee up, and it shall be unto thee according to his desire. And thou shalt rule over him; For from this time forth thou shalt be the father of his lies; thou shalt be called Perdition; for thou wast also before the world."”

2 Thessalonians 2:2-3; “That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.”

89 – Callings, Never Say No to

Follow the Living Prophets, pg. 253; “Never say no to an opportunity to serve in the Church. If you are called to an assignment by one who has authority, there is but one answer. It is, of course, expected that you set forth clearly what your circumstances are, but any assignment that comes under call from your bishop or your stake president is a call that comes from the Lord…Once called to such positions, do not presume to set your own date of release. A release is in effect another call. Men do not call themselves to offices in the Church.”

Prov. 18:13; “He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.”

90 – Callings

Marion Romney said in Ensign, July 1973, pg. 89; “No one should seek to be appointed to any particular office in the Church. Such an aspiration is not a righteous desire; it is a self-serving ambition…We should demonstrate that desire by living the gospel and diligently performing whatever service we are called upon to render. Holding a particular office in the Church will never save a person. One’s salvation depends upon how well he discharges the duties of the service to which he is called.”

To be called or to receive a calling to serve in the Church simply means the bishop will call someone when a position needs to be filled, i.e. Sunday school teacher, Young Men’s group, etc. As you can see it is not that God has called that person to be a youth pastor for his life or a choir director; as a result the Church is filled with people ill-equipped in leadership roles.

2 Cor. 4:1-2; “Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.”


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To: Vigilanteman

Just ask these guys where their anti-Jewish threads are. If Jews dont believe in Jesus, then wouldnt their logic say Jews are not getting into Heaven?


51 posted on 06/13/2010 8:53:44 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Raider Sam
Just ask these guys where their anti-Jewish threads are. If Jews dont believe in Jesus, then wouldnt their logic say Jews are not getting into Heaven?

"They have Moses and the Prophets: let them listen to them."

Besides; JEWS do not claim to be CHRISTIAN the way LDS members try to insinuate that THEY are.

52 posted on 06/13/2010 8:57:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MindBender26
One reason this Republic is in trouble is because speaking ones mind is seen as verboten.

So if you are so concerned about the Republic, why are you not following the intent of that very entiity and the founders one of who you quote?

No one has said they would not stand with a Mormon in a battle for the nation, indeed many of us have praised their work on issues such as Prop 8.

However as it is saving souls is as important to the Christian as saving the nation. Indeed it is a struggle to be involved in a multifront battle in both the earthly realm as well as the spiritual.

The fact that Chrisitans have been distracted from that fact by the secualist and their pop culture with their “Kymbayay” all paths are equal Oprahesque approach has been a driving force in not seeing Islam as the threat that it is. Do you think efforts at further suppression of the spiritual facts in this battle will make things better?

Anything that attacks Christianity will provide fodder for those who are giving shelter to the Isalmist. Mormonism makes a mockery of true historic Christianity and leads good people down a path no better than the one the Islamist are on.

Unless of course you think the “all paths are equal” idea is just wonderful.

And since we are on the subject of Muslims, can their salvation not be as effective a weapon as any bullet?

53 posted on 06/13/2010 8:58:03 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Vigilanteman

Wow, you figured us out...

Brilliant...


55 posted on 06/13/2010 9:04:03 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: reaganaut

Well let’s hope the “almost” was just enough for someone with the truth to slip in before it was too late. The Lord has His people everywhere.....even at deaths door.


56 posted on 06/13/2010 9:04:40 PM PDT by caww
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To: Elsie

They still dont have Jesus, so are they going to Hell?


59 posted on 06/13/2010 9:11:46 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: reaganaut

Or - according to them we’re anti-Mormon, but, they’re anti-Christian ....


60 posted on 06/13/2010 9:12:35 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Those That Turn Their Swords into Plows Will Plow For Those That Don't.)
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To: Raider Sam
Apples and oranges.

The problem with the LDS is much deeper than just their ultimate judgemnt.

The Jews, regardles of their ultimatle reward, are not trying to pass themselves off as something they are not. They do not steal almost in it’s entrty the doctrine and concepts of a real relgion, turn it, twist it and distort it and pass it off as something different and even more so a better version fo the very faith they stole their doctrine from.

We both worry about the LDS souls as well as defend our savior from their fictionial stories and lies about his nature and mission.

61 posted on 06/13/2010 9:12:38 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22

Another thing the country was founded on is the ability to freely practice religion, but some people on the Free Republic site dont seem to like certain religions having that ability.


62 posted on 06/13/2010 9:13:56 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Vendome

3, 2, 1

Hmmmm.


63 posted on 06/13/2010 9:15:05 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Elsie

But we can afford megachurches with tv feeds.


64 posted on 06/13/2010 9:15:32 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: ejonesie22

All Im saying is if you are so worried about lost souls, why not have a few threads on Jews? Or Hindus? Or Buddhists?


65 posted on 06/13/2010 9:17:27 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Elsie

through Christ...? not a church.so churches are out?


66 posted on 06/13/2010 9:17:49 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Elsie

just about every religion have come in contact with says they are the way, the only way.


67 posted on 06/13/2010 9:19:28 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Raider Sam

Reread the post.

Go slower this time.


68 posted on 06/13/2010 9:20:21 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Raider Sam

Not true ...hey, anyone can choose what they will..and frankly do....often times to their own hurt if it’s a cult or false religion...we have a respossibility to inform and debate when those beliefs are in direct opposition to Gods revealed word....and this will never change until that final day.


69 posted on 06/13/2010 9:21:20 PM PDT by caww
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To: MindBender26

hahha...very good


70 posted on 06/13/2010 9:22:05 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Raider Sam
As you can see, Fred Phelps Fundies have no other purpose than to scream about Mormons (or possibly Catholics, under assumed names, on separate threads).

Anyone who crashes their little party are not welcome and that includes me and, of course, you.

Normally, when skunks stay out in the woods, I don't pay them any attention. But when they come into my backyard and start spraying their nasty scent on my fellow conservatives, sometimes I feel it necessary to act.

Notice how they all flood these threads with their cut and paste crap, often within seconds after anyone who objects to their skunk spray takes issue.

That's what they live for. But the rest of us have other lives. Including me. It is bed time in the eastern time zone. Good night.

71 posted on 06/13/2010 9:22:58 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Raider Sam
Oh stop it. They can practice anything they want, hence why they are free to respond if they can right here on these very threads. In return so can we.
72 posted on 06/13/2010 9:23:05 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Doctor Don

why would they face eternal hell...? how would you know?


73 posted on 06/13/2010 9:23:36 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Elsie

never had a morman tell me that...


74 posted on 06/13/2010 9:24:16 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: dalebert

However only one is right.

If one is not willing to fight for that and defend that then what would be the point.

However Oprah would be happy...


75 posted on 06/13/2010 9:25:03 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22

who defends the nation for JW’s?


76 posted on 06/13/2010 9:28:32 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Raider Sam; All

Posting material that people can choose to read or not is somehow denying a person their ability to freely practice their chosen religion? Interesting assertion with no foundation in fact or logic.

The posting of materials that expose the heresy of mormonism must truly be frightening for so many who claim to have no vested interest either way to cast ad hominem attacks and hyperbolic statements.


77 posted on 06/13/2010 9:29:25 PM PDT by SZonian (We began as a REPUBLIC, a nation of laws. We became a DEMOCRACY, majority rules. Next step is?)
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To: MindBender26

You express concern about a “my God is better than your God” mentality. Do you believe in God? Do you believe God exists, and that He has revealed Himself to humanity? If so, don’t you believe that there’s not a “my God” and “your God,” but simply “God”?


78 posted on 06/13/2010 9:34:35 PM PDT by Theo (May Rome decrease and Christ increase.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Thanks for proving my point.


79 posted on 06/13/2010 9:36:14 PM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-mormon, now Christian - "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colofornian

Thanks for the info. I have copied and printed this material for a defense of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I haven’t had a Mormon at the door for a few years but I like to be ready to give an answer for my hope. 1st Peter 3:15.
Also Colossians 4:4-6 is another favorite for the way I witness.


80 posted on 06/13/2010 9:38:04 PM PDT by CHICAGOHAND
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To: ejonesie22

I read the post. Through your words and actions, you show that you are not concerned with lost souls. Only with protecting your interpretation of a religious savior.


81 posted on 06/13/2010 9:45:05 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: ejonesie22

Exactly, and you can say anything you want. No one is infringing on your freedom of speech.


82 posted on 06/13/2010 9:48:15 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: reaganaut

Disagreeing with LDS, by embracing the true gospel and LOVING CHRIST? The irony is rich.


83 posted on 06/13/2010 9:49:07 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: Vigilanteman

That cut and paste stuff is ridiculous. Those posts are so long, the only people who read it are the anti-Mormoners. And have you noticed how they kind of follow around the ring leader. When he posts, then the others always join in and agree with each other on how right they are multiple times. Then if you argue, they put up the face palm picture.


84 posted on 06/13/2010 9:50:58 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: ejonesie22

But what if youre wrong?


85 posted on 06/13/2010 9:53:02 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Salvation; reaganaut
reaganaut: I have lost my earlier post regarding declining numbers of LDS. Do you have a reference?

10 New Missions to be Created, 14 to be Discontinued

Ireland Dublin Mission, one of the missions in Chicago, and a mission or two in Australia will be discontinued.
 
New missions include Peru Cuzco, Guatemala, Philipines, Democratic Republic of Congo Lubumbashi and more.  All new missions being formed outside the U.S. are in areas that have indisputably high illiteracy rates. 
 
A new mission in St George, Utah will stretch all the way to Farmington, New Mexico and is likely being built to support LDS immigrants to the areas of  traditional LDS communities.
 
However, it is interesting to note the total number of missions worldwide will fall by four from 344 to 340.
 

86 posted on 06/13/2010 9:53:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: SZonian

And saying that these people are acting like wannabe dictators and questioning why they only want to take down Mormons or Mormonism is not trampling on their freedom of speech, which was the original complaint. I was merely showing the absurdity of their argument.


87 posted on 06/13/2010 9:56:25 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Raider Sam

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.


88 posted on 06/13/2010 10:23:47 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Vigilanteman; Raider Sam; MindBender26
Normally, when skunks stay out in the woods, I don't pay them any attention. But when they come into my backyard and start spraying their nasty scent on my fellow conservatives, sometimes I feel it necessary to act.

This thread is posted in the Religion Forum.

If you do not wish to see RF posts, do NOT use the "everything" option on the browse. Instead, browse by "News/Activism." When you log back in, the browse will reset to "everything" - so be sure to set it back to "News/Activism."

89 posted on 06/13/2010 10:33:13 PM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Raider Sam

Does it matter to you if they do or not?


90 posted on 06/13/2010 10:46:11 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Does it matter if they have Jesus or does it matter if they go to Hell?

To them, they are not going to Hell. To Christians who believe that the only way to God is through believing in Christ, then they are going to Hell.

I dont know if Jews are going to Hell. I also dont know if Mormons are going to Hell. I dont even know if Christians are going to Hell. But a poster on this thread said Mormons are going to Hell, so I brought up that idea with other religions.


91 posted on 06/13/2010 11:10:20 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Raider Sam
Well, the actual point of the “matter” is Christ said, “ No man can come to the Father except by me”....It's not about what I want to believe.. it's about DO I believe what HE said.

The entire Bible speaks of His coming:

From Genesis to Malachi it says... He is coming.....From Matthew to John it says... He is here.... And from Acts to Revelations it says.... He is coming again.....so the whole thing is about Him.

Therefore we come back then to the “matter” at hand.......Do they believe what He said He would do that He did just that?....and do they believe what he said we need to do, to be with Him now and in the future?.... He said...”I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born-again”Jn 3:3 ....

You see the difference between Christianity and all other religions is Christ lives here and now....all other religions serve a dead prophet or guru or leader....therefore since Christ is above all others in all things,... just as He said and just as is written,... why then believe that which leads away from this truth?.... Since He is alive here and now we can and do have a relationship with Him.. NOW...if we want it...that's the choice.

As for hell....and who goes there...Christ said...”Whoever believes in Him is not condemned,... but whoever does not believe stands condemned already.... because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.” Jn3:18

So it does seem quite clear those who do not believe in Christ have another destination then one with Him.

Further....After He rose from the dead the disciples recalled what He had said...and they believed the Scripture and the words Jesus had spoken. Jn2:22

Not to forget .... He spent more time warning about the dangers of Hell then He did about heaven....so He certainly understood that danger or He would never have warned us of it.

So those who follow other paths, as we see, are doomed already if they don't believe in Christ.

92 posted on 06/14/2010 12:20:41 AM PDT by caww
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To: CHICAGOHAND; PROCON; Pan_Yans Wife; reaganaut; greyfoxx39; SZonian; Utah Binger; Raider Sam; ...

* Thank you for posting this, Colofornian. [Pan_Yans Wife]
* What a great witness, Friend… [Procon]
* Thanks for the info. I have copied and printed this material for a defense of the gospel of Jesus Christ. I haven’t had a Mormon at the door for a few years but I like to be ready to give an answer for my hope… [Chicagohand]

Thanks for the encouragement, and coming by this thread!

If anybody hears of similar articles to this one, let me know. So far, the only other one I’ve found is one by author Latayne Scott, who’s a former Mormon. She has a 365 Reasons Why I Won’t Return to Mormonism piece. I haven’t navigated all around her site; this came up re: reasons #142 & #143 when I was researching the linkage between death row inmate Ronnie Gardner and blood atonement (reason #143 for Scott).

And, speaking of blood atonement, the article posted has this as "Reason #62"...Here's the "Y" speaking, Brigham Young: “I have known a great many men who have left this Church for whom there is no chance whatever for exaltation, [My note: Exaltation in Mormonism = godhood]
cont'd Young quote: but if their blood had been spilled, it would have been better for them. The wickedness and ignorance of the nations forbid this principle's being in full force, but the time will come when the law of God will be in full force. This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it. (Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 4, p. 220)

Hmm...I wonder if any of the non-Lds allies of Lds who have come to this thread would like to defend this Brigham Young quote?

According to Young, the way you "love mankind" is to have your Mormon neighbors "help" you...
...(to finish quoting Young)..."if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until YOUR blood should be spilled, that you might gain that salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind.”

I think if these Lds "allies" are going to generically defend Mormon doctrine as they have on this thread, they should also consider defending its specifics, too!

PYW, good to hear from you! (It's been a while)

93 posted on 06/14/2010 2:46:16 AM PDT by Colofornian (The Lds Lament: If only the 'Restoration' had occurred in a 'Once upon a time' era...)
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To: Raider Sam

I’m not.


94 posted on 06/14/2010 3:36:36 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Raider Sam

So then where is the problem?


95 posted on 06/14/2010 3:37:12 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Raider Sam

No, it involves both lost souls and defending the only savior.


96 posted on 06/14/2010 3:40:16 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: dalebert

The United States armed forces.


97 posted on 06/14/2010 3:41:05 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Raider Sam
John 14:6 (King James Version)

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If that needs further clarification there is not much I can do for you at this point.

98 posted on 06/14/2010 3:46:05 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: Raider Sam
Absurdity?

Uh huh...

So let me see if I have this right.

Because we “trample” on the first amendment rights of Mormons, which we don't seeing they are free to post as many times as they wish in response, you want us to shut up.

Absurdity...

And irony...

When all that is left is demonizing your opponent and telling them to shut up your argument is lost.

99 posted on 06/14/2010 3:52:27 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (Christians: Stand for Christ or stand aside...)
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To: ejonesie22
 
Anything that attacks Christianity will provide fodder for those who are giving shelter to the Isalmist. Mormonism makes a mockery of true historic Christianity and leads good people down a path no better than the one the Islamist are on.
 
And, quite similar!


 

 

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1] 

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, believe Mohammed’s son was to be their next leader. Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith’s followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith’s own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith’s claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith  & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.


100 posted on 06/14/2010 3:53:04 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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