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41 Baptism for Dead not Necessary
2 Nephi 9:38; And, in fine, wo unto all those who die in their sins; for they shall return to God, and behold his face, and remain in their sins.
Isaiah 64:6; But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
42 Baptism, Resurrection, Church; Circa 120 BC
Mosiah 26:2; They did not believe what had been said concerning the resurrection of the dead, neither did they believe concerning the coming of Christ. 4 And they would not be baptized; neither would they join the church. And they were a separate people as to their faith, and remained so ever after, even in their carnal and sinful state; for they would not call upon the Lord their God.
1 Timothy 6:3-5; If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
43 Baptism then Holy Spirit
Cowleys Talks on Doctrine, pg. 110; Having shown that faith, repentance and baptism are essential to the remission of sins, let us now consider the reception of the Holy Spirit. That this should follow, and not precede, the birth of the water must be evident to every thoughtful person.
Acts 2:41; Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Newsweek, "What Mormons Believe," September 1, 1980, p. 68; Mormon doctrine means that ultimately we are not dependent upon God for our existence. And since we can make ourselves as godly as the Father, we dont feel any jealousy toward him. BYU Professor James E. Ford
2 Tim. 2:16; But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
45 Bible vs. Book of Mormon
Come, Listen to a Prophets Voice, pg. 15; Of the four great standard works of the Churchthe Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great PriceI would particularly urge you to read again and again the Book of Mormon and ponder and apply its teachings. The Book of Mormon was referred to by the Prophet Joseph Smith as "the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man [and woman] would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book."
1 John 5:13; These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
46 Bible is Eternal
2 Nephi 9:16; And assuredly, as the Lord liveth, for the Lord God hath spoken it, and it is his eternal word, which cannot pass away.
Matthew 5:18; For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
47 Bible, Is it Trustworthy?
A Bible, A Bible! pgs. 16-17; Early in the Prophet's ministry the Lord instructed him to make a revision, or as he termed it, a "translation" of the Bible. This was not to be a translation in the usual sense, employing a knowledge of biblical languages, use of ancient manuscripts, and the usual procedure and paraphernalia of the scholar, but rather a translation in which Joseph Smith would discern the true intent of the Bible through revelation. It is now known as the Joseph Smith Translation, or JST A major purpose of the new translation seems to have been the spiritual understanding that came to the Prophet as a result of his effort.
Hebrews 8:10-11; For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
2 Timothy 3:13-15; But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
48 Bible isnt True
8th Article of Faith; We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
2 Tim. 3:16; All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
49 Bible not for Modern Times - *
JD 2:75-76; The words contained in this Bible are merely a history of what is gone by; it was never given to guide the servant of God in the course he should pursue, any more than the words and commandments of God, given to a generation under one set of circumstances, would serve for another generation under another set of circumstances The Bible is not a sufficient guide; it is only the history of the people who lived 1800 years ago. The history of our Church in this day, presents the scenes and transactions of this peoplethe revelations and words of God to them
1 Peter 1:25; But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
50 Bishop Holds Keys to Cleansing Power
Morality, pg. 108; For those of you inside the Church there is a way, not entirely painless, but certainly possible. You can stand clean and spotless before Him. Guilt will be gone, and you can be at peace. Go to your bishop. He holds the key to this cleansing power.
1 John 1:7; But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
51 Bishop Must be Related to Aaron Unless Ordained
D&C 68:18-19; No man has a legal right to this office, to hold the keys of this priesthood, except he be a literal descendant and the firstborn of Aaron. 19 But, as a high priest of the Melchizedek Priesthood has authority to officiate in all the lesser offices he may officiate in the office of bishop when no literal descendant of Aaron can be found, provided he is called and set apart and ordained unto this power, under the hands of the First Presidency of the Melchizedek Priesthood.
Titus 1:7-9; For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
52 Blacks are Slaves Mentally
JD 5:217; Elder Hyde inquired the situation of the negro. I replied, they came into the world slaves mentally and physically. Change their situation with the whites, and they would be like them. They have souls, and are subjects of salvation. Go into Cincinnati or any city, and find an educated negro, who rides in his carriage, and you will see a man who has risen by the powers of his own mind to his exalted state of respectability. The slaves in Washington are more refined than many in high places, and the black boys will take the shine of many of those they brush and wait on.
1 Cor. 12:13; For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
53 Blacks and Whites are Saved
2 Nephi 26:33; he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
Galatians 3:28; There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
54 Blacks Not Born Innocent
Way to Perfection, pg. 102; In the spirit of sympathy, mercy and faith, we will also hope that blessings may eventually be given to our negro brethren, for they are our brethren-children of God-notwithstanding their black covering emblematical of eternal darkness.
James 2:1-4; My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons. 2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment; 3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool: 4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?
55 Blacks are Satans Representatives after Flood
Gospel Kingdom, pgs. 103; And then the devil put on a long face and said, I imagined I had got rid of these fellows; but they are going to have a chance yet that I did not think of. And after the flood we are told that the curse that had been pronounced upon Cain was continued through Ham's wife, as he had married a wife of that seed. And why did it pass through the flood? Because it was necessary that the devil should have a representation upon the earth as well as God.
Genesis 6:10; And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
56 God Cursed People with Dark Skin
2 Nephi 5:21; And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
Genesis 4:11, 15; And now art thou cursed from the earth, which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother's blood from thy hand; 15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
57 Blacks, Why They Were Accepted into Church
Revelations of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 353; Under these conditions President Spencer W. Kimball began an exhaustive personal study of the scriptures as well as statements of Church leaders since Joseph Smith, and asked other General Authorities to share their personal feelings relative to the longstanding Church policy. Then he began to inquire of the Lord if the time was not right to extend the priesthood blessings to this restricted people. Recalling this period, President Kimball stated, "Day after day, and especially on Saturdays and Sundays when there were no organizations in the temple, I went there when I could be alone." The result was a revelation on 1 June 1978.
Romans 12:2; And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
58 Blind Faith
Improvement Era, June 1945; When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a planit is God's plan. When they point the way, there is no other which is safe. When they give direction, it should mark the end of controversy. God works in no other way. To think otherwise, without immediate repentance, may cost one his faith, may destroy his testimony, and leave him a stranger to the kingdom of God.
59 Blind Faith
Ensign, August 1979, pg. 2; Recently, at the Churchwide fireside meeting held for the women of the Church, Young Women President Elaine Cannon made the following statement: When the Prophet speaks, the debate is over (Ensign, Nov. 1978, p. 108). I was impressed by that simple statement, which carries such deep spiritual meaning for all of us.
Matt. 15:8-9, 14-15: This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 14Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
60 Blind Obedience
Conference Report, Oct. 1960, Marion Romney, pg, 78; My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it." Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, "But you don't need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray."
2 Peter 1:10; Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall.
61 Blind Obedience
July 1972 Ensign, pg. 87, Joseph Fielding Smith; Now, brethren, I think there is one thing which we should have exceedingly clear in our minds. Neither the President of the Church, nor the First Presidency, nor the united voice of the First Presidency and the Twelve will ever lead the Saints astray or send forth counsel to the world that is contrary to the mind and will of the Lord.
Prov. 27:17; Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
62 Blood Atonement
Brigham Young, JD 4:220; I have known a great many men who have left this Church for whom there is no chance whatever for exaltation, but if their blood had been spilled, it would have been better for them. The wickedness and ignorance of the nations forbid this principle's being in full force, but the time will come when the law of God will be in full force. This is loving our neighbour as ourselves; if he needs help, help him; and if he wants salvation and it is necessary to spill his blood on the earth in order that he may be saved, spill it. Any of you who understand the principles of eternity, if you have sinned a sin requiring the shedding of blood, except the sin unto death, would not be satisfied nor rest until your blood should be spilled, that you might gain that salvation you desire. That is the way to love mankind.
1 Thessalonians 4:6; That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
63 Blood Changes at Conversion
TPJS, pg. 149; while the effect of the Holy Ghost upon a Gentile, is to purge out the old blood, and make him actually of the seed of Abraham. That man that has none of the blood of Abraham (naturally) must have a new creation by the Holy Ghost. In such a case, there may be more of a powerful effect upon the body, and visible to the eye, than upon an Israelite, while the Israelite at first might be far before the Gentile in pure intelligence.
Galatians 3:28-29; There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
64 Arrogance of BY
JD 13:95; I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture.
2 Peter 1:20; Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
65 Arrogance of Joseph Smith
HC 6:408-409; Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.
Deut. 34:10; And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the LORD knew face to face.
Deut. 28:66; And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life.
66 Book of Life
Ensign, Nov. 1994, 8; Look to the temple of the Lord as the great symbol of your membership.
Revelation 3:5; He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Book of Mormon
67 Book of Mormon Another Testament
Front Cover; Book of Mormon; Another Testament of Jesus Christ.
Gal. 1:6-9; I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
68 Book of Mormon
D&C 20:9; Which contains a record of a fallen people, and the fulness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles and to the Jews also.
1 Cor. 15:1-4; Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.
69 Book of Mormon, Accept it or be Damned
Jan. 15, 1842, Times & Seasons 3:658; God inspired them to frame the American Constitution This was also done to prepare the way for the coming forth of the Book of Mormonthe stick of Josephthat he might lift it up (in connection with the Bible) as an ensign upan [sic] the moantains, [sic] and set it as a sign among the people for the purpose of gathering and uniting the whole house of Israel into one nation upon their own land, and also for the purpose of re-establishing the kingdom of God upon the earth with all its officers, gifts and blessings.
Mark 13:22; For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
70 Book of Mormon, Biblical Prophecies of the
Encyclopedia of Mormonism, pg. 158; According to a prophecy of Joseph in Egypt, preserved in the Book of Mormon (2 Ne. 3:4-21), two sets of records would be kept by two tribes of Israel-one (the Bible) written by the tribe of Judah and the other (Book of Mormon) kept by the tribe of Joseph (2 Ne. 3:12; cf. Ezek. 37:15-19).
2 Peter 1:20-21; Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
71 Book of Mormon Evidences
Teachings of Harold B. Lee, pg. 155; Don't be concerned over Book of Mormon geography. Some say the Hill Cumorah was in southern Mexico (and someone pushed it down still farther) and not in western New York. Well, if the Lord wanted us to know where it was or where Zarahemla was, He'd have given us latitude and longitude, don't you think? And why bother our heads trying to discover with archaeological certainty the geographical locations of the cities of the Book of Mormon like Zarahemla? (66-07) The witness of the Book of Mormon is not found in the ruins of Central and South America. They may be outward evidences of a people long since disappeared. The real witness is that which is found in the Book of Mormon itself. The Book of Mormon ought to be to you one of the most prized books you have. (73-21, p. 3) The Book of Mormon is its own best evidence. So far as we are concerned, the best evidence in the world of the truth of the Book of Mormon is the Book of Mormon itself. (72-19).
Ezek. 13:3; Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
72 Book of Mormon Evidences
Studies of the Book of Mormon, by B.H. Roberts, p. 271; There were other Anti-Christs among the Nephites, but they were more military leaders than religious innovators... they are all of one breed and brand; so nearly alike that one mind is the author of them, and that a young and underdeveloped, but piously inclined mind. The evidence I sorrowfully submit, points to Joseph Smith as their creator. It is difficult to believe that they are a product of history, that they came upon the scene separated by long periods of time, and among a race which was the ancestral race of the red man of America.
2 Tim. 3:13-15; But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
73 Five Reasons for Book of Mormon
Especially for Missionaries, vol. 1; The purpose of the Book of Mormon is fivefold. First, it stands as a second testament or witness for Jesus Christ. Second, it authenticates the Bible. Third, it shows the goodness of God to his children. Fourth, it makes people aware of the promises that God has made to his children. And fifth, it restores to earth many plain and precious truths that have been lost since the fulness of the gospel existed.
1 Peter 1:25; But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
74 God Commanded Jews to Flee to Wilderness?
1 Nephi 17:47; Wherefore, the Lord commanded my father that he should depart into the wilderness; and the Jews also sought to take away his life
Jeremiah 42:9-11; And said unto them, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel, unto whom ye sent me to present your supplication before him; 10 If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you. 11 Be not afraid of the king of Babylon, of whom ye are afraid; be not afraid of him, saith the LORD: for I am with you to save you, and to deliver you from his hand. (See vs. 7-22 for full story)
75 Book of Mormon god cant keep promises
Mosiah 27:13; Nevertheless he cried again, saying: Alma, arise and stand forth, for why persecutest thou the church of God? For the Lord hath said: This is my church, and I will establish it; and nothing shall overthrow it, save it is the transgression of my people.
Colossians 2:16-18; Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshiping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind. [Note: see all of passage Col. 2:16-23.]
Acts 9:2-5; And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
76 Book of Mormon, Man Gets Nearer to God by
TPJS, pg. 194; Perfection of the Book of Mormon Sunday, 28.I spent the day in the council with the Twelve Apostles at the house of President Young, conversing with them upon a variety of subjects. Brother Joseph Fielding was present, having been absent four years on a mission to England. I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book. (November 28, 1841.) DHC 4:461.
Matthew 24:35; Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
77 Book of Mormon & Mark Twain
Roughing It 1872, pgs. 58-59; All men have heard of the Mormon Bible, but few except the "elect" have seen it, or, at least, taken the trouble to read it. I brought away a copy from Salt Lake. The book is a curiosity to me, it is such a pretentious affair, and yet so "slow," so sleepy; such an insipid mess of inspiration. It is chloroform in print. If Joseph Smith composed this book, the act was a miracle keeping awake while he did it was, at any rate. If he, according to tradition, merely translated it from certain ancient and mysteriously-engraved plates of copper, which he declares he found under a stone in an out-of-the-way locality, the work of translating was equally a miracle, for the same reason.
78 Book of Mormon Oddities
Alma 14:21; And many such things did they say unto them, gnashing their teeth upon them, and spitting upon them, and saying: How shall we look when we are damned?
John 7:17; If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
Gal. 6:7; Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
79 Book of Mormon Problems
2 Nephi 19:1; Nevertheless, the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation, when at first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun, and the land of Naphtali, and afterwards did more grievously afflict by the way of the Red Sea beyond Jordan in Galilee of the nations.
Isaiah 9:1; But there will be no more gloom for her who was in anguish; in earlier times He treated the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali with contempt, but later on He shall make it glorious, by the way of the sea, on the other side of Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles.
80 Book of Mormon, Testing of
Approach to the Book of Mormon, pg. 16; The Book of Mormon can and should be tested. It invites criticism, and the best possible test for its authenticity is provided by its own oft-proclaimed provenance in the Old World.
2 Peter 1:19-20; So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts. 20But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of ones own interpretation.
81 Book of Mormon, Three Witnesses to
Faith, pg. 2; In the early days of the restoration of the Church, Sidney Rigdon did not retain his membership in the kingdom even though he had, with Joseph Smith, witnessed marvelous signs. Had he not participated in the great vision, and had he not been the recipient of many revelations? Yet despite all these manifestations from our Heavenly Father, he did not remain in the kingdom Oliver Cowdery saw many signs. He handled the sacred plates; saw John the Baptist; received the higher priesthood from Peter, James, and John; and was the recipient of many great miracles; and yet they could not hold him to the faith. Also see EM, pg. 1565.
Galatians 5:1; Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
82 Book of Mormon: True or False?
Pamphlets, Latter-day Tracts, pg. 1; This book must be either true or false. If true, it is one of the most important messages ever sent from God to man, affecting both the temporal and eternal interests of every people under heaven to the same extent and in the same degree that the message of Noah affected the inhabitants of the old world. If false, it is one of the most cunning, wicked, bold, deep-laid impositions ever palmed upon the world, calculated to deceive and ruin millions who will sincerely receive it as the word of God, and will suppose themselves securely built upon the rock of truth until they are plunged with their families into hopeless despair. The nature of the message in the Book of Mormon is such, that if true, no one can possibly be saved and reject it; if false, no one can possibly be saved and receive it. Therefore, every soul in all the world is equally interested in ascertaining its truth or falsity.
Proverbs 30:5-6; Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. 6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
83 Born Again
Encyclopedia of Joseph Smiths Teachings; Being born again, comes by the Spirit of God through ordinances. (Joseph Smith, History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 7 vols. 3:392)
John 3:1-16; There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
84 Brethren dont betray
TPJS pg. 156; O ye Twelve! and all Saints! profit by this important Keythat in all your trials, troubles, temptations, afflictions, bonds, imprisonments and death, see to it, that you do not betray heaven; that you do not betray Jesus Christ; that you do not betray the brethren; that you do not betray the revelations of God, whether in Bible, Book of Mormon, or Doctrine and Covenants, or any other that ever was or ever will be given and revealed unto man in this world or that which is to come. Yea, in all your kicking and flounderings, see to it that you do not this thing, lest innocent blood be found upon your skirts, and you go down to hell. All other sins are not to be compared to sinning against the Holy Ghost, and proving a traitor to the brethren.
Psalm 118:8; It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
85 Brigham Young is LDS Dictator
JD 7:19-20; What do you say, brethren and sisters? Do you not think it best for us to do right, each person individually being led by the dictations of the Holy Spirit, listening diligently to those who are appointed to lead, govern, and dictate this people? You know what I mean by this. President Young is our governor and our dictator. It is for me to walk with him, and for you to walk with those who go before you.
Oswald Chambers, My Utmost for His Highest, November 17th, My goal is God Himself At any cost, dear Lord, by any road.
86 Burning in the Bosom
D&C 9:8; But, behold, I say unto you, that you must study it out in your mind; then you must ask me if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall feel that it is right.
Proverbs 28:26; He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
87 Cain Became Perdition
Doctrines of Salvation 2:280; Satan wanted him because Cain had a body, He wanted more power. A man with a body of course will have greater power than just a spirit without a body. Cain sinned with his eyes open, so he became Perdition, the father of lies.
Exodus 20:11; For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
88 Cain to Rule Over Satan
Doctrines of Salvation 2:279; CAIN TO RULE OVER SATAN. Sons of perdition will have an ascendancy over Satan himself, because he has no body. But who is Perdition? The Lord said to Cain: "If thou doest well, thou shalt be accepted. And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door, and Satan desireth to have thee; and except thou shalt hearken unto my commandments, I will deliver thee up, and it shall be unto thee according to his desire. And thou shalt rule over him; For from this time forth thou shalt be the father of his lies; thou shalt be called Perdition; for thou wast also before the world."
2 Thessalonians 2:2-3; That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.
89 Callings, Never Say No to
Follow the Living Prophets, pg. 253; Never say no to an opportunity to serve in the Church. If you are called to an assignment by one who has authority, there is but one answer. It is, of course, expected that you set forth clearly what your circumstances are, but any assignment that comes under call from your bishop or your stake president is a call that comes from the Lord Once called to such positions, do not presume to set your own date of release. A release is in effect another call. Men do not call themselves to offices in the Church.
Prov. 18:13; He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Marion Romney said in Ensign, July 1973, pg. 89; No one should seek to be appointed to any particular office in the Church. Such an aspiration is not a righteous desire; it is a self-serving ambition We should demonstrate that desire by living the gospel and diligently performing whatever service we are called upon to render. Holding a particular office in the Church will never save a person. Ones salvation depends upon how well he discharges the duties of the service to which he is called.
To be called or to receive a calling to serve in the Church simply means the bishop will call someone when a position needs to be filled, i.e. Sunday school teacher, Young Mens group, etc. As you can see it is not that God has called that person to be a youth pastor for his life or a choir director; as a result the Church is filled with people ill-equipped in leadership roles.
2 Cor. 4:1-2; Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
Your Jesus is mean to me
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Father God, forgive Sandy, open her eyes to the truth of You and the lies of Mormonism. Break the chains that bind her to that demonic cult. She doesn’t realize how she hurts and insults You and your blessed Son our Savior. Amen.
But it’s the kind of of spam I like. Works in our favor.
My Jesus is sweet and kind and He loves me; my Jesus accepts me just as I am. Your Jesus is mean to me.
Oh wimper wimper wimper..
Sandy when are you going to grow up and act like a mature adult instead of a whinging pitiful victim
Whats wrong with you girl ???
Here, blow your nose...
“By all means, read every word of this, then if you really want to know if this is on the up and up, investigate it on your own.
Yea! Whatever you do, don’t read the “propaganda” that is quoted on this thread that comes from the LDS Church and demonstrates their wacky, cultic beliefs!
“My Jesus is sweet and kind and He loves me; my Jesus accepts me just as I am. Your Jesus is mean to me.”
Are you referring to the sweet mormonic jesus who was a created spirit being
OR the Biblical Jesus Christ who is loving, holy, just, omnipotent, etc. because he is GOD - and was neither created nor made?
Which is your sweet Jesus Saundra?
“a while back Sandy complained that a female mormon missionary friend of hers had water thrown on her by Christians in Germany “
“HELP ME! I’m melting...”
“Shame on the tradition of men and their philosophy to undermind the word of the Lord!”
When you use the phrase, “word of the Lord”...
Do you mean the Bible that teaches Jesus was never created nor made, but was always God?
Do you mean the work of fiction, referred to as the
Book of Mormon (the mormonic verses), that teaches Jesus
was a created spirit being?
Which? They contradict one another.
Amen,.....and may Sandy realize that when God’s children are holding on tight to something which is not good for them He sometimes has to pry there fingers loose... because He has something better to replace it with. Just as a parent does with their children.
Sandra, the Mormon church has a peculiar view of history. Joseph Smith found some magic glasses to enable him to read the tablets at Elmira, NY. There is a college library in Ohio which has a copy of where Joseph Smith plagiarized the Book of Mormon. Pray for the dead? Sandra, I’m sorry if you are a Mormon, you will be in Hell!
I am referring to the Jesus of the New Testament, the Redeemer and Savior; the Jesus of the Old Testament, the Great Jehovah. The Jesus who is the Head of my Church. The Jesus who suffered and died for me. The Jesus who loves me.
Not your Jesus who is petty and small minded and mean spirited.
Jesus said “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by me” John14:6
The real Jesus loves you as I am sure the impostor whom the LDS promote does, but for very different reasons.
The Real Jesus just wants your love. The impostor who heads your “Church” wants your money and your eternal soul.
“Break the chains that bind her to that demonic cult.”
Jesus Christ suffered and died for me to save me from my sins, and I am not ashamed of Jesus Christ, my Savior.
P.S. You are not God and you are not my Judge.
Suffered and died for you so that WHAT can happen Sandy? What is the result of your Jesus' suffering and dying?
And what exactly does the LDS version of Jesus save you from? What do you have to do in return, or are you ashamed to say?
And what exactly does the LDS version of Jesus save you from? What do you have to do in return, or are you ashamed to say?
And from that we know that as of right you will find the judgment he has for you a tick disappointing.
BTW which god are you revering to from your perspective?
But just THINK, Jonesie! How speshul the mormons are that they can "please" their Jesus by obeying their laws and temple rituals and garments and hurtful practices like leaving parents or siblings out of weddings, by proxy baptisms of millions of souls against the will of those souls, by paying and paying the Corporation of the President and building billion-dollar malls instead of following OUR Jesus' instructions to love one another and give to the needy.
How many, many families are being thrown out of their homes, how many are losing jobs and income and being cast onto the good will of Christian organizations who provide shelters and soup kitchens all over the country.
Where are those of the yellow tee shirts with the "helping hands" logo today who could be serving these people, white, brown and black in the way that this organization does?
Instead, the mormon church builds its property with the exclusive penthouse apartments overlooking the "mormon mecca", with the expectation that these "speshul" people will bring their coin to the mormon mammon and purchase them.
Mormons can then travel to Temple Square and point with one-up pride at the oh so speshul landmark that came into being because Joseph Smith brought them the "real" Jesus, secure in the knowledge that only the favored few will be allowed to enter.
I am referring to the Jesus of the New Testament, the Redeemer and Savior; the Jesus of the Old Testament
The one you describe is my God, my Jesus ...
The LORD Jesus Christ of the Christians..
You have heard of Him ???
and yet you call Him “small, mean, condemning” etc without fear of His displeasure...
and reject Him for the mormon god of Joey Smith...
DOES NOT COMPUTE
“I am referring to the Jesus of the New Testament, the Redeemer and Savior; the Jesus of the Old Testament, the Great Jehovah. The Jesus who is the Head of my Church. “
How can this be true, Saundra???
How could the Jesus of the New Testament be the head
of a Church that denies who the Bible says He is?
Impossible. Why would He associate Himself with a
group that teaches that there are trillions of gods
when the God of the Bible says there is ONE GOD?
Either your post is knowingly a distortion
you do not understand the simple language
of the Bible.
I have no idea which it is, but your claim
Jesus would not deny the words of God.
“Hear O’ Israel, the Lord your God, is ONE God.”
In addition to the three gods mormons claim exist
for earth, how many more gods do you believe exist
on other planets, Saundra?
Does anybody understand “make believe”?
You should expect some twaddle about a "new dispensation" as a reply.
“Does anybody understand make believe?
The mormonic verses are fiction, but they are far
more dangerous than make believe.
they distort the Gospel of Jesus Christ, which
can leave people on the road to hell with a false
Any comment(s) you’d like to make Sandy?
Not your Jesus who is petty and small minded and mean spirited.
Odd that our Jesus was not too “petty and small minded and mean spirited” to allow tghem to hang Him on the Cross and shed His blood on the Cross and die on the Cross a finished complete work to save you from your sins...
and yet you prefer the slave driving greedy mormon jesus who just “sweated” a little bit in a garden like a prissy girl...
and didnt save you from anything...
Good retort. If it wasn't so sad it would be funny. :-)
Does anybody understand make believe?
Ya wanna expound ???
Broaden that a bit ???
Oh, my goodness..what a door you opened with this post, resty...ROTFL...are you watching "Joseph Smith's Wife Swap", or Brigham Young's Wife Swap, or maybe "Orson Pratt's Wife Swap"....I know! It's "Warren Jeff's Wife Swap"
Why are these women smiling?
As an outsider I can honestly observe who is more at peace with their Jesus and it certainly doesn't seem to be them. :-)
8 ¶ Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.
9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
12 I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.
13 Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
That is your version of wife swap those are your buddies.
As for Sandys experience.... in this secular/socialist world we live in now having strangers come to your door is more than a little concerning.......For that reason I would assume the leadership of their church would not send their people out apart from preparing them for unwelcoming receptions...or even hostile ones...especially in a foreign country such as Germany. So this should not have been alarming to a mature and prepared individual.
However,... when you add to these dynamics, which her friend did, (after the people had given her the benefit of the doubt and opened their door to her), that they were going to Hell she indeed created an extremely volatile situation. She is fortunate it was simply a glass of water and not something far worse regardless of what her belief system was......so she had zero critical thinking concerning her visit there.....which placed herself in very real danger.
I am not familiar with the Mountain Meadows Massacre by name, but if it follows the overall trend of the history of mormonism it was likely a bloody mess when all was said and done. Counterfeit cults/religions can and do take life....mentally and physically.
For any religion/church to put fear in an individual, via water, garlic, a cross, or other tangible items... they have crossed the line of anything remotely Christian and are adhering to the middle-age era of thinking and beliefs at best...and those were full of pagan sorcerer's, demonic ghosts, occultic worship and the like. They didn't call that time the “dark ages” for nothing.
You wrote....”Sandy impressed on us that the most evil and worse thing that could ever happen to anyone was to be the recipient of a glass of water.”.......Most people would have difficulty not laughing for such a statement...and I have a good feeling someday Sandy will indeed look back in amazement that she spoke this way... let alone believed it.
Sandy sounds very young...is she?
It is truly heartbreaking to see a church who claims the banner of Christ to create such nonsense...,and it is just that,.....to play with and manipulate the minds and hearts of people who were at one time searching for the truth. There journey was sabotaged by the father of lies....but then we are not to be ignorant of satans devices.
These people have not only been deceived and lied to greatly, but they are pushed to the brink to peddle satans wares to others. For this God clearly warns.... that those who lead others to this fate will surely be judged much more harshly for doing so....of which there will be an accounting one day if they do not turn away from these teachers and teachings.. before it is to late.
May God truly reach down and rescue those who are willing to be rescued. But then it is a matter of being willing to turn....just one step away... and He will carry them the rest of the way back to Him. The decision is there's to make with promise He will meet them...and He never lies.
Why are these women smiling?
Oh the possibilities
1. They arent a conjcubine of Joey Smith
2. Its not their night to have to “service” the mangod/king/sheikh of the mormon harem they belong to..
3. Some loving Flying Inman just told them the truth about the lie called mormonism and they are now free..
4. Wouldnt you smile if you found out it was OK to wear jeans and different colored clothes than those ugly “sister wives” ???
Do you expect a version of Wife Swap when you join your husband in eternal matrimony? Are you OK with it?
Jesus Christ, eternally God, neither created nor made Ping!
Resty, dearest old friend...
I’ve tried to gently point out to you on a number of
occasions over the years, to understand the Bible,
you have to take verses in context. You cannot just
seize on a word and apply that word to whatever you
want it to say.
Isaiah 43 is about Israel as God’s servant.
The young nation was surrounded by many other nations
with a vast pantheon of “gods” - idols created by men,
that they claimed were gods... not unlike the trillions
of gods in the mormon pantheon of gods.
God is setting the record straight. None of them were
formed (from wood, stone, gold, silver, etc.) before
Him. None would be a god after Him.
This passage disproves the central tenant of your church -
that you can become a god. God says it isn’t going to
happen. Who are you going to believe? The writings of
Joseph Smith or God’s own words in the Bible?
Again, dear friend. You try so hard on these threads to
defend the indefensible.
Philippians 2 makes it clear that Jesus Christ was always
GOD, but humbled Himself to take on a human body and
become a sacrifice because of God’s love for a fallen
humanity. And that includes you, dear one.
The fact that God the Father has exalted the name of Jesus
Christ does nothing to prove your point. In fact, it should
be a warning to you and every mormon that God’s way is
humility first, then recognition - not self-righteous
claims followed by godhood. It isn’t going to happen.
The fact that Jesus Christ brought glory to God the Father
does nothing to promote the mormonite message or disprove
the Bible. It is a wonderful thing.
I am taking the time to answer your posting with the hope
that you and others who have believed the mormonic lies
about the nature of God and the Gospel will respond with an
open heart and trust Him.
Thanks for the link, and Elsie for posting it.
Here I am trying to catch up on this fast moving thread, and lo I see this kitten picture so sweet and funny...cracked me up! This thread needs that kind of break... God has such a great sense of humor He shares with us!
I’ll just put you down as “not a twoo believer in Joey’S Myth” then shall I ???
I like that part.
So do I
.......”brother of lucifer”.......uh??????
Ok now I need to know where that comes from...as Lucifer does not ever share his domain with a family member.;)
If this a true statement by you, Sandy, then you are not mormon. The mormon jesus requires and requires and requires for salvation, that is not the Jesus of the Bible.
lds believe that Jesus and satan are brothers. IE: both created beings.
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