Skip to comments.Prophecy! MESSIAH REVEALED! - Is He Coming Soon? - REDUX
Posted on 07/02/2010 4:43:38 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
Well known and admired 108 year old Rabbi reveals the Messiah's name!
“YOUR posts are from the PIT OF HELL!”
Really, That’s completely unnecessary!
Yet there they remain. One stone upon another, 7 courses high. No one disputes that these are Herodian stone.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Considering their precious worth to the Jews, and the spirit of those who hate them, those stones may be torn down, even yet.
This, of course, represents nothing more than your opinion with no scholarship to support it.
As does yours.
Except that - as noted - each of the gospel writers is recounting their version of the Olivet Discourse in the language, idioms, and images their primary readers will understand. They are not writing about different events, they are writing about the same event through the lenses of their own understanding of it and communicating that to their respective readers.
Or, as I noted, each should be gleaned separately for their treasures of prophecy. There is a reason for the differences. We will have to disagree about what that reason is.
The article in question is merely trying to get people - like you - to understand that Christ spent most of Matthew 24 talking about the destruction of the Temple!
Or he talked about the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in Matt 24, and Matt 21:19-22, and Matt 34 is not a reiteration... but another thing all together. And those stones, still standing one upon another, seven courses high, seem to tell the tale.
these were merely representative of the information found, for instance, in Foxe's Book of Martyrs (as one source).
I am quite familiar with Foxe's Book of Martyrs... But the persecution of Christ's own barely began by AD 70... There is a whole description of a time when Christ's own (and the Jews) were persecuted wholesale in a manner several orders of magnitude higher... Just turn a wee bit further back in the book. Not to discount the time from 32AD to 70 AD, but that was just a pittance in the pot.
As to the rest of your "critique", I will address it at some other point in the future. I'm not interested in discussing this further with people whose minds are already made up.
Which explains the brevity of my reply. From your tenor, it seems there is little profit in investing the time...
The Apostle Matthew (formerly known as Levi, the tax collector) was a Jew (as were all of the apostles). Matthew’s understanding of this passage differs significantly from yours, and he was taught by no less than Yeshua Himself:
12 Now when He heard that John had been taken into custody, He [Jesus] withdrew into Galilee; 13 and leaving Nazareth, He came and settled in Capernaum, which is by the sea, in the region of Zebulun and Naphtali.
14 This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet, saying, 15 “ The land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, By the way of the sea, beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles—
16 “ The people who were sitting in darkness saw a great light, And to those who were sitting in the land and shadow of death, Upon them a light dawned.” 17 From that time Jesus began to preach and say, “ Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”
Matthew 4:12-17 (NASB77)
Carefully Friend... It is only the difference between the letter, and the spirit of the Law...
“Yet there they remain. One stone upon another, 7 courses high. No one disputes that these are Herodian stone.”
You can ignore Josephus’ words - who was an eyewitness to these events - at the risk of your own credibility. I’ll choose to believe what he says about it.
“But the persecution of Christ’s own barely began by AD 70”
Categorically untrue. Go back and read Foxe’s past the first chapter
“Which explains the brevity of my reply. From your tenor, it seems there is little profit in investing the time...”
“Nice to see that some true things are understood in some quarters.”
We have nothing to discuss.
“You find The Truth completely unnecessary; thats your problem, not mine.”
I’m tired of your crap. I’ve reported this as abuse.
Let those who love the LORD hate evil.
Because sin will not completely be eradicated during the Millennial reign; there won't be rebellion on the scale that exists today, but there will be "quiet" sin, and sin will still be in the heart of those who are born during the Kingdom Age.
The sacrifices during that time will be for those who are born into mortal bodies and who still have a sin problem. We know, for example, that at the end of the Millennial reign, when Satan is released for a short time, he will be able to convince a certain number of men living at that time to rebel against Jesus one last time so we know that sin will still be an issue during those thousand years.
Anyway, that's what I have heard about the subject of sacrifices during the Millennial reign.
Well defended doctrinal position. I agree as it is based upon His doctrine.
I’ve observed hereon and elsewhere . . .
that the obsessive, addicted tendency to post extremely UNBiblical screeds
denying truths of Scripture;
denying actualy history;
seems to infect folks in
to their CAPACITY to have honest, fruitful discussions and genuine dialogue.
Sooooo such an assertion appears to be highly likely quite true . . . though probably not 100% as intended.
I do not believe the
Western wall/wailing wall
can be considered PART of THE TEMPLE.
It is the remaining part of THE RETAINING WALL OF THE PLATFORM OF THE TEMPLE COMPLEX.
The TEMPLE was quite distinct from the platform it stood on.
Posting outrageous distortions and untruths from demonic sources and ideas is not a pretty thing to watch—VERY UNNECESSARY.
Truly, I know of no instant fix for learning to trust God with every thing in our lives whether great or small.
Letting go is an ongoing struggle for me. I diligently begin each morning once again laying it all down and chastening myself that if I, like the Hebrews in the examples above, insist on having things my way - He will let me and I will fail.
I remind myself that the only cure for my troubles is to lay them down before Him and not touch them again because it's a "done deal."
But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. - Matt 16:23-25
Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them] - Mark 11:24
And worse, I'm blind. All I can see is through my own eyes. I can't see what the other guy sees and I can never truly understand him. And I certainly cannot see "all that there is" all at once. Only God can, only He speaks objective truth. He is Truth. A thing is true because He said it.
By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. - Psalms 33:6
The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. [There is] no speech nor language, [where] their voice is not heard. Psalms 19:1-3
FOR YET ANOTHER
PRECIOUS ANGEL-GAL BIBLICAL AND ANOINTED EXHORTATION.
GOTTA ADD THAT TO MY FR PERSONAL PAGE.
Matthew 23 and 24 predict a time of Jerusalem's desolation, when Rome's legions surrounded it and destroyed it to its very foundations. This happened in 70 AD. At that time, those not killed in the city by famine or the sword were carried off by the Romans as slaves: dispersed throughout the Roman Empire. This is a matter of historical fact.
Here are the passages that predicted the fall of Jerusalem again:
37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, 'Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!'"
Matthew 23:37-39 (NKJV)
15"Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
Matthew 24:15-16 (NKJV)
As pointed out before, the "abomination of desolation" was Rome's legions bearing ensigns (graven images to the Jews) of eagles and Caesar's images on banners they carried with them as they surrounded Jerusalem. Seeing those legions, and the ensigns they bore, surrounding Jerusalem would have been a clear and unmistakable sign to flee it.
20"But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:20-22 (NKJV)
The vengeance of which Luke writes can be found in Matthew 23, when Jesus is wrapping up His tirade against the Scribes and Pharisees:
33 You snakes! You poisonous snakes! How can you escape being condemned to hell? 34 I'm sending you prophets, wise men, and teachers of the Scriptures. You will kill and crucify some of them. Others you will whip in your synagogues and persecute from city to city. 35 As a result, you will be held accountable for all the innocent blood of those murdered on earth, from the murder of righteous Abel to that of Zechariah, son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 I can guarantee this truth: The people living now will be held accountable for all these things.
Matthew 23:33-36 (GW)
God used the Romans, under Titus, to fulfill this prophecy approximately 40 years after Christ uttered these words.
Most of Matthew 24 is fulfilled in 70 AD. This is a historical fact.
But God isn't finished with Israel.
Ezekiel 37 and 38 describe how God returns them to the land "in the latter years" and how He brings Gog and Magog against them, so that the nations would know He is God:
2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 and say, 'Thus says the Lord God: "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen, all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords. 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya are with them, all of them with shield and helmet; 6 Gomer and all its troops; the house of Togarmah from the far north and all its troops--many people are with you. 7 "Prepare yourself and be ready, you and all your companies that are gathered about you; and be a guard for them. 8 After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely. 9 You will ascend, coming like a storm, covering the land like a cloud, you and all your troops and many peoples with you."
Ezekiel 38:2-9 (NKJV)
In 70 AD, the remnant of Israel - the Jews - were scattered abroad. Ezekiel prophesies of a time when they will be regathered to the land of Israel, and when Magog (located in what's now known as Turkey) will be joined by Persia (Iran), Ethiopia, and Libya for a decisive battle.
You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes."
Ezekiel 38:16 (NKJV)
18 "And it will come to pass at the same time, when Gog comes against the land of Israel," says the Lord God, "that My fury will show in My face. 19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath I have spoken: 'Surely in that day there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel, 20 so that the fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all creeping things that creep on the earth, and all men who are on the face of the earth shall shake at My presence. The mountains shall be thrown down, the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.' 21 I will call for a sword against Gog throughout all My mountains," says the Lord God. "Every man's sword will be against his brother. 22 And I will bring him to judgment with pestilence and bloodshed; I will rain down on him, on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, flooding rain, great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. 23 Thus I will magnify Myself and sanctify Myself, and I will be known in the eyes of many nations. Then they shall know that I am the Lord." '
Ezekiel 38:18-23 (NKJV)
Matthew 23, 24, and Luke 21 prophesy of Jerusalem's desolation (complete destruction) destruction, which was fulfilled in 70 AD, when Rome's armies besieged it.
However, the next time Jerusalem is surrounded by those seeking to destroy it, God intervenes and wipes out the invading armies at a time specifically prophesied - not once, but twice - "in the latter years" and "latter days."
Only one of these sets of prophecies deal specifically with Jerusalem "in the last days" and they are not found in Matthew 24 or Luke 21!
Matthew 24 has been mostly fulfilled in 70 AD. Ezekiel 38 is yet before us.
If you don't understand something this simple, God help us all.
“Posting outrageous distortions and untruths from demonic sources and ideas is not a pretty thing to watch.”
Reported for abuse.
It’s been my observation that folks have to
before they can share it.
. . .
. . .
that the TWISTING, MANGLING, PERVERTING, DENYING
OF GOD’S WORD
IS THE OPPOSITE
You are right it is clear, but until you read it for yourself and pray on it the Covenant Theology that argues Christians are the new Israel and God is done with the Jews sounds right. It's the realization that God is not done with the Jews that made reading Revelation so easy.
For instance, if I said "Buddhist beliefs are demonic" that would not be making it personal. But if I said "You are demonic" that would be making it personal.
When one belief spawns from another it is not uncommon for both to condemn the other in the harshest terms possible: anathema, apostate, cult, Satanic, heresy, Hell bound, etc. Those terms often become part of the Holy writ and are deeply held.
And whereas the terms are not tolerable on "caucus" "ecumenical" "prayer" or "devotional" Religion Forum threads, they should be expected in the town square format of "open" Religion Forum debate. That is why thick skin is required on open RF threads.
Amen. The Kingdom is in abeyance, not yet. That doesn’t mean it’s done. It means something else is happening at this time. it’s called the Gospel of the Grace of God.
“In order for something to be “making it personal” it must be about the Freeper, personally.”
When such comments are directed to me personally, as can be seen in the “To” header, I take them personally.
How long in the name of “open debate” are you going to let certain individuals in this forum, by way of their very “un-Christlike” posts, defame Him?
And yes, I am responding to this publicly because that’s how you addressed me. If you’d like to take this private, we can discuss it further there.
So, Jewish..... he like Paul, drop their Jewish names for goy names...
Matthew who quotes a prophecy that doesnt even exist?
Matt 2:23 "and came and lived in a city called Nazareth This was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophets: "He shall be called a Nazarene."
No where in all of Tanakh (OT) including the Talmud is there such a prophecy.
Matthew who has a fatal flaw in Jesus genealogy?
11 And Josias begat Jechonias
And in Jer 22 it say this about him
30 This is what the LORD says: "Record this man as if childless, a man who will not prosper in his lifetime, for none of his offspring will prosper, none will sit on the throne of David or rule anymore in Judah."
So Jesus genealogy is through a cursed king that NO children will ever sit on the throne of David.
Matthew who makes up a prophecy about Jesus?
Matt 2:15 This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: "OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON."
This is the text he is quoting:
Hosea 11: 1 When Israel was a youth I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son.
It is Israel NOT Jesus. Hosea was speaking of the exodus..
Okay, I am only at chapter 2....and already Matt is thoroughly discredited.
I too Giovanna have heard the same thing...I was told by an Orthodox Jewish woman that in the World to Come, people will still be pro-creating....
I’m not sure of everything that is going to happen in the Millenial Kingdom, but as a believer in *Christ our LORD* I think some people might be on the earth in a condition subject to sin as Blaster1960 states, man will still have *Free Will* but they will be isolated to earth.
I believe Jew and Gentile alike who have embraced Christ as *LORD and SAVIOUR* will be granted *perfected bodies* so that we have the ability to roam the earth in this new condition, and we have the ability to explore the *Divine Realm* based on our understanding of G-D’s knowledge, wisdom and universal laws.
I believe the 144K (Perfected Jews in Torah) will be the ones who will be instrumental in teaching *Torah* to those who remain on the earth....
Christ said for those who believe we have been reconciled to G-D, if we have been reconciled then why would we need further study in G-D’s (Earth) laws?. I think we will be perfected so in honoring G-D it will be with worship and certain holidays like the *Feast of Tabernacles* Jubilee...and being part of the Divine Realm....This is where I think we will need further study and knowledge to elevate us to each of G-D’s cosmological realms..
As much as I respect Zionist Conspirators and Blaster1960 knowledge of (Torah*) and true honor they give to G-D, I think they are in-correct what they think the Ultimate role is between Man and G-D.
G-D intended and created human beings to have a relationship with, he created them to have knowledge about the earth and the heavenlies as what is written in *Genesis* I look forward to exploring all of G-D’s universe, his *Divine Realm* the infinite amout of Galaxies and Stars..
(Maybe I just want a break from earth for awhile! :)
Exactly! Seeing this opens up so much Scripture.
This my friend isnt a problem...it doesnt mean that Hezekiah was to be an eternal being sitting on the throne of David. It does mean that the throne of David is forever. And when Messiah comes, there will be everlasting peace etc.
If you are going to insult a church at least get the name correct.
It appears that the folks from the Rabid
Preterist/REPLACEMENTARIAN sorts of camps are getting
. . . desperate.
Reporting other folks' personal convictions about Biblical truth
is an SOMEWHAT humorous and interesting new habit to observe hereon.
. . . mildly interesting . . . to a point.
It appears yet again that . . .
some words in the rules must be extremely difficult for some such rabid REPLACEMENTARIANS et al to comprehend.
Do you think they might just define "ABUSE" as anything which annoys their thin-skinned sensibilities or anything which disagrees with their perverse twistings of Scripture and history???
Perhaps, Roamer_1, or GiovannaNicoletta, you could help me understand which of the following words the thin-skinned folks are finding hard to comprehend (from the RM's homepage):
"Thin-skinned posters will be booted from open threads because in the town square, they are the disrupters."
Or MAYBE it's not a comprehension problem.
PERHAPS they are beginning to get the drift--maybe on a subconscious level--that the END TIMES Dispys speak of
REALLY ARE LOOMING ON THE VERY NEAR HORIZON.
such REPLACEMENTARIANS ET AL--
OTHERWISE, they might have to confront an extremely uncomfortable, terrifying paradigm shift . . . perhaps the
THAT WOULD BE
A very traumatic realization.
There they are, tripping along through life normally . . . spreading black REPLACEMENTARIAN daisies wherever they go . . . smugly confident in their life-long delusions about being 110% correct in all things . . .
week after week, month after month
it begins to dawn on some sheltered synapses in some dark recesses of their noggins
that they not only MIGHT WELL BE
for the purportedly FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES!
But that they might be horribly, dangerously, devastatingly !WRONG!
I can imagine pulling out all the stops to block such encroaching insights, too. What a frightful shock such must be! . . . even on an unconscious level.
I guess it's better than cowering in a corner, catatonic, for hours or days on end.
Though, not better spiritually or theologically.
I wish there were more effective ways to help such poor souls wake up and smell the looming fire and brimstone before some brimstone starts making splashes in their Mint Julips.
If you think of anything, please let me know. Perhaps we could come up with a crash-cart to administer aid to such traumatized REPLACEMENTARIANS.
There is nothing I can do for the posters who take things personally.
If you are uncomfortable with the "open" RF debate, then ignore open RF threads altogether and instead post to "caucus" "ecumenical" "prayer" or "devotional" threads.
HOSEA 13: 6-8
When I fed them, they were satisfied; when they were satisfied, they became proud; then they forgot me. So I will come upon them like a lion, like a leopard I will lurk by the path. Like a bear robbed of her cubs, I will attack them and rip them open. Like a lion I will devour them; a wild animal will tear them apart.
This is based in the *Feminine role* (Like a bear robbed of her cubs) (FULLER MEANING)
Matthew did not impose a new meaning on Hosea’s prophecy, a meaning that the Spirit of God did not have there originally.
Matthew revealed the fuller meaning of Hosea 11:1.
In 1 Corinthians 9:9-10, Paul expands on Deuteronomy 25:4, “For it is written in the Law of Moses,’You shall not muzzle the ox while he is threshing.’ Is it about oxen that God is concerned?
This was written for us, because when the plowman plows and the thresher threshes, they ought to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest.”
In this passage Paul states categorically that the Mosaic Law regarding the welfare of oxen has an extended meaning.
When Moses wrote Deuteronomy 25:4 he was probably unaware that a principle for Christian service was “built into” this law, but there’s no question that God intended this fuller meaning
Pretty good example why God would vouchsafe a Mesorah, is it not?
to assume that
OF CREATIVE PONTIFICATING,
TRIGGERS which some of us take as a spring-board into
CLASSES OF THINGS,
groups of things
MUST be taken personally.
Other times, such triggers to spring-board into satire, mirth, parody, etc. are a lot more kosher hereon than telling people or groups or perspectives
that they are
white washed tombs,
sons of satan,
the blind leading the blind.
Then there's the phenomenon of the
sound of whining, wailing and the sight of dust thrown in the air and Little Lord Faunleroy clothes being rent
can bring a lot of folks running to watch the latest
thumb-sucking self-immolations of preposterous propositions and perspectives.
Some of us seem to find such recreational diversions from the heavier aspects of the discussions to be very humorous.
Perhaps it's a kind of COLLECTORS HOBBY . . . wherein those of us given to the hobby collect
ever slightly new
permutations of thin-skinnedness.
new versions of absurd-to-the-max super hypocritical REPLACEMENTARIAN frothing and thrashing about.
new types and examples of HOW TO SHOOT ONE'S SELF AND ONE'S IDEAS OBLITERATINGLY IN THE FOOT.
new ways to make, new examples of making REPLACEMENTARIANISM MORE outrageously laughable.
it is collecting new examples of
--kind of like a collection of antique thin smudged 2nds from the black crystal shop.
it's kind of like collecting a new variety of
Mexican jumping beans . . .
collecting little purportedly tidy little boxes of
REPLACEMENTARIAN WHALE SNOT
. . . some of which sit there for some seconds or minutes or maybe even hours . . . and then after unknown amounts of fermentation,
SUDDENLY EXPLODE, SPEWING ALL OVER EVERYWHERE MOST HUMOROUSLY AND DRAMATICALLY.
Whatever . . . one has to garner humorous hobbies where one can in these traumatic END TIMES.
OF COURSE, those rare, super scarce more alert REPLACEMENTARIANS
TAKE SUCH EXPERIENCES
AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN SOME LIFE SAVING HUMILITY.
However, we rarely observe that. Actually, I can't think of a single case of that.
Go poke a sleeping bear with a stick and see what happens.
And then again, sometimes I can just patiently post along. Offering scriptures. I would rather do this all the time. But there comes a time when IRONY MUST rule the occassion!
Considering that you ARE LIKELY a better psychologist than I am,
you must be quite right.
However, I think I’ll leave poking sleeping mamma bears to the REPLACEMENTARIANS.
That seems much more like their speed.
I should go finish my morning oblations. I’ve had too much fun collecting new absurdities and haven’t even finished half my orange juice.
OF COURSE TO THE MAX! LOL.
Personally, collecting REPLACEMENTARIAN ABSURDITIES
seems to frequently trigger me off into a paradoxical rant of illustrating absurdities with as much satire, mirth, contrast, etc. as I can muster.
It’s a lot more time consuming and bother than just typing
However, I love the tear triggering guffaws that it sometimes engenders. . . . all the more so given the health benefits of laughter.
And, given the price of laughter in these increasingly trying, traumatic times, I figure even great effort to foster it is WELL WORTH IT.
And yet, despite your none-to-subtle defamatory comments aimed at me, you have not once addressed the issues I raised in my posts, choosing instead to shout me down and spam “INDEED” to all your “fanboys” further moving my posts out of range of most people who might be actually interested in learning something or discussing them.
Were I a moderator here, I would have kicked you by now on the grounds of your meaningless spam posts alone!
But whether the moderator thinks your thinly veiled insults are acceptable here or not, they are certainly NOT the way a Christian should behave. By acting in the childish way you have, you’ve not only defamed me but the Lord you claim to serve.
If that’s the way you want Christ perceived, then by all means, continue with your nonsense. I’m not the one you’ll have to answer to.
“Matt 2:15 This was to fulfill what had been spoken by the Lord through the prophet: ‘OUT OF EGYPT I CALLED MY SON.’ This is the text he is quoting:
Hosea 11: 1 ‘When Israel was a youth I loved him, And out of Egypt I called My son.’
It is Israel NOT Jesus. Hosea was speaking of the exodus.. Okay, I am only at chapter 2....and already Matt is thoroughly discredited.”
You have presented us with a choice, Blasater1960, to follow your exegesis of Hosea 11:1 or that of Matthew (Levi). At the risk of offending you, I must say that you make the choice easy.
That said, you have put your finger on something very important here, something that divides Christians on this very thread. And for that I thank you.
Let’s take what you said about Hosea 11:1, that it refers to Israel as a whole. I have to agree with you in this, that is clearly the plain meaning of the words in their context. What you, and others, fail to see is that Matthew understands the theology of the OT far better than we might believe. Consider, he takes a passage, a prophecy, that clearly refers to Israel as a whole and then applies it to the person of the Christ (or as you no doubt would prefer to the person who some presume to call the Christ). Let’s assume for a moment that Matthew is right in doing this, that he is in fact showing us how God Himself understands and understood Hosea’s words, words that He Himself caused Hosea to speak.
Now, let’s go back even further into the OT to see the thread Hosea was picking up. When was Israel a child? When did God call His beloved son Israel out of Egypt? Well, that is quite easy to find.
What is it that God, who had called Moses out of the burning bush to return to Egypt and lead Israel out, told Moses to say to Pharaoh? What were His very first instructions on this to Moses? The reference is Exodus 4:22-23: “Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the LORD: “Israel is My son, My firstborn. So I say to you, let My son go that he might serve Me.”’” Here, Israel is personified as a single person, a beloved son of God, His firstborn.
So, what is Matthew doing by drawing our attention to this connection in the very early part of his gospel? Is he not showing us that this equation of a single, beloved and firstborn son with the whole people of Israel is not of his invention, but of God’s own saying? Is he not, perhaps, showing us that what is prophesied of Israel has to be understood in the light of this very equation. In other words, the Christ is not simply the Savior of Israel, and the world, but that He is one with Israel, both living and dying for Israel as Israel in Israel’s place so as to bring to fulfillment all that God has promised to Israel. In fact, is not Matthew telling us in a very simple, but truly profound, way what the titles “Son of Man,” “Son of David,” “King of Israel,” “King of the Jews,” “High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek”, and others truly mean? Is He not explaining what is the nature, the profound world-changing nature, of the promise He Himself gave regarding the woman’s Seed?
Let all think on this long and carefully. The gracious will of God has not changed one iota - nay even one jot or tittle - from the time the promise was made to the woman and man in the garden. Jesus Christ is the Seed of the woman, He is the Seed of Abraham, He is the Child the Father Almighty loved and called out of Egypt, both in the time of Moses and in the time of Herod. So that when the high priest of Israel said to the Sanhedrin, “it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish,” (John 11:50) He put his finger on something of worldwide and eternal importance, something he himself did not even realize he had done. Lest we doubt this, John adds, “Now this he did not say on his own authority; but being high priest that year he prophesied that Jesus would die for the nation, and not for the nation only, but also that He would gather together in one the children of God who were scattered abroad.” (John 11:51-52)
So, thank you, blasater1960, for putting your finger on the same thing. Let all take note.
I GREATLY AGREE.
However, wherever the shoe fits . . . should enjoy the privilege of walking about in something authentic, for a change . . .
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Good ‘right on’ post.
A Good Christian should call out deliberate distortions and distortions of any kind. They are all evil.