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Prophecy! MESSIAH REVEALED! - Is He Coming Soon? - REDUX
YouTube ^ | June 29, 2010 | YouTube

Posted on 07/02/2010 4:43:38 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta

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To: TaraP
Would a parent give a *Blood Transfusion* to save their child? Would a human being die to save their child..?

Do animals kill anyone who tries to hurt there babies? even if it is prey taking on a predator?

What you are discribing is martyrdom. When a person is give their live to save a child or stranger, that is honorable and a G-d accpts that.

But a mother giving her kidney to a child and dying in the process is NOT a sin sacrifice, and not a sacrifice for all mankind, for all time. That is what G-d forbids. G-d says we are each responsible for our OWN sins. Personal responsibility! A very conservative idea at that!

541 posted on 07/06/2010 7:09:05 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: blasater1960

What you are discribing is martyrdom...No that is dying for a cause...

I am describing sacrafice for *Love*..:)

Yes personal responsibility definetly...
Jesus is not a *E* ticket....of course he still wants us to follow the Law, it’s just that the law is not *Key* to salvation, it is *Key* to guidance and devotion to the authority of G-D...

Have you read the *Origin of the World* manuscripts found in Egyptian Caves around the time they discovered the Dead Sea Scrolls?

It is wild...It is about the world and universe before the first humans and how Chaos evolved...
G-D is referred to *Prime Creator*
Lucifer/Satan as *Prime Parent*

I will send you the link, and if you want it is a fascinating read, wether it’s accurate I don’t know but I read it a couple times, and each time it makes a bit more sense to me...


542 posted on 07/06/2010 7:24:22 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: blasater1960
Here is the Link... After the natural structure of the immortal beings had completely developed out of the infinite, a likeness then emanated from Pistis (Faith); it is called Sophia (Wisdom). It exercised volition and became a product resembling the primeval light. And immediately her will manifested itself as a likeness of heaven, having an unimaginable magnitude; it was between the immortal beings and those things that came into being after them, like [...]: she (Sophia) functioned as a veil dividing mankind from the things above. Now the eternal realm (aeon) of truth has no shadow outside it, for the limitless light is everywhere within it. But its exterior is shadow, which has been called by the name 'darkness'. From it, there appeared a force, presiding over the darkness. And the forces that came into being subsequent to them called the shadow 'the limitless chaos'. From it, every kind of divinity sprouted up [...] together with the entire place, so that also, shadow is posterior to the first product. It was the abyss that it (shadow) appeared, deriving from the aforementioned Pistis. http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html
543 posted on 07/06/2010 7:26:02 PM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: TaraP

havent read it...send a link please..Thx Tar-Rah


544 posted on 07/06/2010 8:39:43 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: blasater1960
I haven't had time to go through the whole post, but this struck me:

Only in so far as Abraham was willing and Isaac was willing to do as G-d commanded.

Well in that case, since Yeshua was willing and His Father was willing there's no problem. "No one takes My life from me, but I lay it down of My own initiative. I have the authority to lay it down and I have the authority to take it up again" (John 10:18).

G-d did not require the actual killing so that is the end of the comparision.

Again, check out the midrashim. Many rabbis did view Isaac as dying and coming back to life. Many talk about the suffering of Isaac and Abraham. Even the ashes of the ram are called "the ashes of Isaac." Because of his willingness to submit to his father's will, Isaac's bindings are seen as having redemptive value.

In other words, even though Isaac's life was returned to him--whether literally or metaphorically doesn't matter--the Akedat Yitzchak is seen by the rabbis as being a true sacrifice. So was the sacrifice of Yeshua, though His life was also returned to Him on the third day.

Shalom.

545 posted on 07/07/2010 6:21:42 AM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: blasater1960

Sorry for the delay!

Here ye go!

http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/origin.html

Tar Tar!


546 posted on 07/07/2010 10:24:42 AM PDT by TaraP (He never offered our victories without fighting but he said help would always come in time)
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To: Buggman
Well in that case, since Yeshua was willing and His Father was willing there's no problem.

I agree with that in the sense that Yeshua could be viewed as a martyr for his cause. A Christian martyr, not a Jewish martyr, since Jews viewed him as a sect leader, an apostate. Many faiths have martyrs. But one has to draw the line there (imho) because to extend that into the realm of sin sacrifice, guilt sacrifice, the "once for all" sacrifice, then violates G-ds commands.

Again, check out the midrashim

Okay, I did...lots of them. Apparently there a couple of schools of thought regarding the Derash and Sod views of the Akedah. Keep in mind again, these are commentaries or homilies (sermons) and do not reflect the direct meaning of the passage.

Having said that, one school of thought is that Rashi and other early middle ages sages gave this version of death and resurrection of Issac to relate to the Pogroms and mass slaughtering of the Jewish people in that era. The crusades at that time were brutal on the Jewish people.

The crusaders killed Jews all the way down to Jerusalem. Including rounding them up in their synagogues and burning them alive while singing songs about Jesus.

At this time, it is thought, rather than see the Akeda as a time when G-d let Isaac escape his fate, he suffered and died like the Jews in the middle age massacres.

The other school of thought is that the sages of that era sought to have a comparable narrative to the crucifixion.

Regardless, lets say that the comparison is legit. That the metaphor is a picture of the future sacrifice of Jesus. That still presents fatal flaws in the Jesus sacrifice. Why?

Issac was brought to Mt Moriah. Exactly where the Temple and Alter would be in the future Solomon and Herodean temples. Jesus was not killed on the Alter where Issac was bound. Issac was not blemished by having a severe scourging.

Abraham brought a knife and wood, to slit Isaacs throat and burn him on the Alter. Jesus was blemished by a severe scourging. Jesus suffocated to death on the cross. He did not die of having his throat cut. Jesus was not burnt on the Alter. His blood was not sprinkled.

So if a person wants to compare the two "sacrifices" Issac's "sacrifice" was closer to meeting the requirements of a sin sacrifice. Jesus's death on the cross at golgotha meets none of the requirements of a sacrifice. Not one.

shalom

547 posted on 07/07/2010 12:11:10 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: TaraP

Got it...thanks!


548 posted on 07/07/2010 1:05:01 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: jjotto; Phinneous; BTerclinger

The Mekubalim know the definition of "power of Moshiach has been conceived", which is still not yet the Moshiach, it is Chezkat Moshiach. The person that received an addition soul, expresses an increase signal to his name by adding an additional letter, without change of pronounciation of his name, even after the increase of the letter. In the words of Rav Kaduri, the letter Vav was added on to the person's name. (Only in two names did we find an increase of the letter Vav not changing the sound of the name; Yaakov and Shilo).

Actually, there are the different spellings of the name Tzipor, although I suppose one could argue that in its first appearance (as a name or as a bird), it is spelled with a vav.

With the vav: Num 22:2, 4, 16; Jos 24:9; Jud 11:25
Without the vav: Num 22:10; 23:18

In verse 18, a vav is placed on ben, hence "beno Tzipor" (no vav in Tzipor), interpreted as indicating the Messiah's origins from Moab/Balak:

This week’s Torah portion involves Balak, son of Tzipor – a bird. “Due to the merit of the forty-two sacrifices that Balak brought, he was privileged to have King Shlomo as his offspring … Rabbi Yossie Ben Choni said, Ruth was the daughter of Eglon, the son of Balak.” [Sota 47a]. Thus, the soul of the Mashiach, symbolized by a bird, exists in Balak, and he is the one who is attempting to block him being revealed. Bilam says to him, “Listen to me, son of Tzipor” [Bamidbar 23:18] – but this can also be read as, “one who has a son named Tzipor.” And this phrase, “beno tzipor,” has a numerical value of 434, which is also the value of “Mashiach Ben David.”

https://pitputim.me/2014/07/03/parshas-balak-and-moshiach/

Catch this detail, which appears at first to be an error...

“beno tzipor,” has a numerical value of 434

There's no vav in Tzipor. The sum of the phrase in the verse = 428.

Then again,

In the words of Rav Kaduri, the letter Vav was added on to the person's name.

In that case, the sum *is* 434, without change of pronounciation of his name, even after the increase of the letter.

The connected phrase “Mashiach Ben David” indicates that David is spelled with a yud. Thus it is equivalent to "Mashiach ben Dodi", the son of my beloved, the term of endearment for either lover in the Song of Solomon. Thus there are options, such as God, Israel, or the Shekinah, who is represented by the bird.

As far as the bird's nest, the kan (150, ק"ן), how it relates to important meetings and match-ups:

May 10, 2019 is the 150th anniversary of the completion of the transcontinental railroad. East meets West. It falls on the 71st birthday of the Medina. The bird that represents the Shekinah, the soul of the Mashiach, and the people of Israel is the dove, yonah, whose sum is 71.

More bird analogies:

The Spirit of God in Gen 1:2 is interpreted as the soul of the Mashiach, coming down and hovering like a dove [Rashi].

Ruach Elohim = 300 = the two wings [of the dove], as kanaf ("wing") = 150.

The female personification of America is Columbia ("dove").

What's in a name? Everywhere you find the tRuth, you find Ruth. It would certainly explain why the Mashiach descends directly from Ruth.

549 posted on 01/05/2019 8:34:25 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: Ezekiel

Moshiach is over my pay grade.


550 posted on 01/06/2019 8:33:37 AM PST by BTerclinger (MAGA)
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To: BTerclinger; Phinneous; jjotto
It's not just the English. The pun on Ruth/tRuth is "root"ed in Torah, which is truth.

The mirror image of Torah is "the" (or "of") Ruth.

תורה

הרות

Therefore it's the simple meaning, Ruth as the matriarch associated David and by extension also the mother of the Messiah, because he is the ultimate reflection and revelation of the tRuth.

"It all depends on the mother."

What I find interesting are the accounts of converts who describe having deep-seated inexplicable connections to the Jewish people, that something in them was driving them to convert, even without their having much if any prior interaction with the Jewish community.

Then it turns out that the mother admitted on her death bed to being Jewish, or there was some other surprise revelation about the family being Jewish, coming out of left field.

Guess the point is, who can be so sure about who is who. It would not surprise me in the least for it to turn out that Ruth had been Jewish all along, her Jewish soul clinging to Naomi by default. I would be more surprised if that *weren't* the case.

The Messianic Light is the revelation of all knowledge (truth).

The topic of Ruth's heart and soul reminds me of a verse that is often on my mind anyway,

1. And the number of the people of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor counted; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said to them, You are not my people, there it shall be said to them, You are the sons of the living God:
2. Then shall the people of Judah and the people of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up from the land; for great shall be the day of Jezreel:

"In English we talk about paying attention, directing our attention to something. Meaning the same, Hebrew invokes the metaphor of placing our heart on something – לָשִׂים לֵב"

https://ulpan.com/how-to-say-attention-in-hebrew/

Seen where they are planning to land the Mars 2020 rover? Columbia Hills was a strong candidate, but then they decided on Jezero crater. It'll be launched with the Atlas V 541 rocket.

It's all orchestrated from Above. :)

551 posted on 01/07/2019 4:51:42 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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