Posted on 07/05/2010 11:10:25 AM PDT by TaraP
Genesis 32:30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared."
GENESIS 32:28-31
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast revailed. And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said: Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name?
And he blessed him there. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel (Pineal): for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. And as he passed over Peniel (Pineal) the sun rose upon him, and halted upon his thigh."
Was Jacob seeing GOD through his *Pineal Gland*
The Pineal Gland is about the size of a pea, and is in the center of the brain in a tiny cave, behind and above the pituitary gland, which lies a little behind the root of the nose. It is located directly behind the eyes, attached to the third ventricle.
Yes..because that is how we signal the Holy Spirit through prayer...Through the pineal gland? Care to document that? This is nuts.
EPHESIANS 6:12
PSALM 139:This gland is involved in the regulation of melatonin synthesis. It acts as a link between the nervous system and the endocrine (hormonal) system. A rhythmic melatonin signal from the pineal controls photoperiod (day length differences of summer and winter) responses in many species showing seasonal cycles in reproduction, moulting and other processes.
The biblical quotes don't have a thing to do with the pineal gland. And vice versa.
This is still nutty.
I know that I am saved. Are you?
What part of you connects with the *Spirit of GOD*?
That's a reasonable conclusion, since it's true...
Believing the truth of God as revealed through Scripture is not blasphemy. No one needs to know more than that.
Of course I know I am saved..Jesus Christ is my reedemer who I put all my trust and salvation into...
The phrase "face to face" as it appears in your English Bible does NOT say that in Hebrew. It is NOT a mechanical translation as you imply. It is "פָּנִים אֶל־פָּנִים" [panyim-el panyim] which literally means: "sides to sides." The word "face" is not found in the Hebrew. Also, the word "panyim" here is is PLURAL, eg. "sides to sides." Even if it meant "face" it would be "faces to faces."
Lastly, the word "אֱ-הִים" [ekohim] often means "G0d" but is also used for angels.
Although many will agree that the translation of "I saw G0d face to face" is acceptible - it is NOT literal as you imply.
This is what the verse says in the English translation...
Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
But since it's wrong, perhaps you would be willing to post the actual accurate verse translated from the accurate Hebrew into English so we could see what the sentence actually says...
The KJV translaters claim they used the same Hebrew words that are used in the Jewish Hebrew Bibles...And the Hebrew words don't match what you posted...
Perhaps you could tell us the source of your Hebrew words as well...
That is not what it says.
Well, one point of view is this:
To put it in context: Note that it was G-d who told Rebecca that Esau would serve Jacob. Then we have the birthright given to Jacob (legitimately, Esau gives it away) and Jacob recieves the blessing by trickery. And now Esau is ticked-off!
Genesis 27: 41And Esau hated Jacob because of the blessing wherewith his father blessed him: and Esau said in his heart, The days of mourning for my father are at hand; then will I slay my brother Jacob.
Jacob gets out of Dodge and ends up with Laban and his daughters. Does his time there and is commanded to return home by an Angel!
After an encounter with Laban, Angels arrive! He knows he is to meet up with Esau again and he is afraid! He knows Esau's temper! he says this:
11Deliver me, I pray thee, from the hand of my brother, from the hand of Esau: for I fear him, lest he will come and smite me, and the mother with the children.
But before he meets with Esau, he wrestles with another Angel all night long. Why? When the Angel is unable to defeat him, Jacob asks for his blessing. Why? Because he obtained his first blessing through trickery...now he seeks an honest blessing....and gets it!
It is thought that this Angel was Esau's guardian Angel, sent by G-d to right the wrong.
When Esau meets Jacob (Israel) he is filled with joy, not anger! And Jacob tries to give Esau tribute and says this:
10And Jacob said, Nay, I pray thee, if now I have found grace in thy sight, then receive my present at my hand: for therefore I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God, and thou wast pleased with me.
The connection: "I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God" just as his encounter with the Angel the night before.
Isn’t Jesus God?
The entire OT is about Christ.. also scripture tells us that no man has seen God and lived..
The entire incident with jacob was about Christ
I was referring to verse 31 in Hebrew, which corresponds to verse 30 in English. You are incorrect, the word “lifnay” is not the word. The word is “panyim” and it does not “literally mean” “in front of.”
Okay you said: The connection: “I have seen thy face, as though I had seen the face of God” just as his encounter with the Angel the night before.
But how?
Through a dream? a vision? a face to face how we as poeople of today would see someone face to face? or through his
Pineal Gland?
Let me put it this way...Atheists will say constantly no proof of G-D, the Bible just ancient fairytales, etc...If you cannot find GOD first within yourself, how can you find him out of yourself?
When the Philistines captured the Arc of the Covenant they did not know how to worship Yahweh so they died, so the Pineal Gland where we enact prayer through faith must be what Jacob was speaking of?
agreed
agreed
Put the bong down.
I do not do things like that...
Do you understand English?
Through the face of the Angel. When a person has encounter with an Angel sent by G-d, it is as if it is a face-to-face with G-d.
"so the Pineal Gland where we enact prayer through faith must be what Jacob was speaking of?"
I have never heard of that...I will have to check it out..
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