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Alleged Vatican Official Says Extraterrestrials Are Real
The Eponymous Flower ^ | 07/08/2010 | Tancred

Posted on 07/08/2010 8:54:20 AM PDT by 0beron

Edited on 07/08/2010 9:57:44 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

"Vatican Officials" say a lot of things. This man who is said to be an expert in demonology also claims to be an expert on the phenomenon of intelligent extraterrestrial life. We say they are supernatural in origin and the appearance of strange and foreboding lights in the sky are unfavorable signs.

Monsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian member of the Vatican Curia (governing body), and an insider close to the Pope, has gone on Italiannational television five times, including recent months, to proclaim that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. Balducci provided an analysis of extraterrestrials that he feels is consistent with the Catholic Church's understanding of theology. Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that extraterrestrial encounters "are NOT demonic, they are NOT due topsychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully." Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican , and since the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were poorly understood, [Like the historical propensity for the press to be leftist deceivers who herald new phenomena like Communism as saviours of mankind.] his stating that the Church does not censure these encounters is all the more remarkable.

Balducci revealed to a visiting American professional that the Vatican is closely following this phenomenon quietly. My informant originally surmised that the Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its Nunciatures (embassies) in various countries.


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To: All
Rx: Balducci is a monsignore, not a cardinal. Sorry ALL!

(Got to get these things right!!!)

51 posted on 07/09/2010 6:57:55 PM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: OpusatFR

The retiring head of Lockeed Skunk Works . . . that birthed the SR71

Said we were AT LEAST 50 years ahead of everyone else

AND

that already

“IF YOU CAN IMAGINE IT, WE CAN DO IT.”

Besides that, my relative saw UFO’s coming and going routinely in his job.


52 posted on 07/09/2010 7:32:19 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Judith Anne

You’re not on any such list.

I included you as a one time thing on this score because I figured you’d have an interesting response.

Sadly, I was wrong about that.


53 posted on 07/09/2010 7:33:10 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MEGoody
Maybe there is intelligent life on other planet, maybe there isn’t. Doesn’t affect my faith either way.

There's no intelligent life on other planets. I have proof. It's a photo of a Martian downloading a Madonna song.

54 posted on 07/09/2010 7:35:25 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness; Las Vegas Dave; DCPatriot

Have added

small voice in the wilderness;

to level A of the UFO PING LIST.

If you want on levels B, C and D . . . please let me know.

When I have time to bother about the distinctions, Level A gets the least pings, level D the most—D = most anything I find personally interesting in the subject area.

I’ve been busy enough for a long time now that I mostly don’t ping unless I think it’s important enough for everyone on the list = level A

Anyway—FWIW.

Yeah, some rabid clique and other types of Nurse Rachett and other kinds of CONVINCED OF THEIR OWN BRILLIANCE and comprehensive knowledge of reality are not readily given to considering things fair-mindedly that they haven’t originally thought of themselves. Clever, that.

/sar


55 posted on 07/09/2010 7:38:07 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix
Some wit displayed by the blogger.

Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican, and since the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were poorly understood, [Like the historical propensity for the press to be leftist deceivers who herald new phenomena like Communism as saviours of mankind.] his stating that the Church does not censure these encounters is all the more remarkable.

56 posted on 07/09/2010 7:38:52 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: MarkBsnr

I think you’re smarter than that question would imply.

Jesse keeps a fairly low profile because at his advanced age and vast experience, there aren’t a lot of high priorities other than family etc.

He happens, BTW, to be Roman Catholic.

He’s technically incognito hereon because he chooses not to out himself. However, his screen name is not all that difficult to decipher. He’s really a wonderful Patriot.

And he did handle the Roswell foil and “I” beam etc. debris with his own hands at age 10 or 11 when his Dad Sr woke him up in the middle of the night to show him the stuff on the way to taking the first gleanings of the debris back to the air base.


57 posted on 07/09/2010 7:41:04 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MarkBsnr

I think his biases color his interpretations of the phenomena.

I don’t know that the Vatican has a formal published department investigating it.

There MUST BE some designated structure involved. I doubt it’s just a smattering of free lancers. I don’t think the Vatican functions that way. Though I’m the furthest thing from an expert on that score.

Balducci was reportedly a relatively close confident of one of the Popes. I don’t know if it was before or after they became Pope and I don’t remember which it was.

imho, folks can be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN the Vatican is one of the better informed organizations on the planet on the topic.


58 posted on 07/09/2010 7:44:17 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: betty boop

I GREATLY AGREE.

THX.


59 posted on 07/09/2010 7:45:21 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: betty boop

Could someone please elaborate on the difference?


60 posted on 07/09/2010 7:45:54 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Sam Cree

INDEED. LOL.


61 posted on 07/09/2010 7:47:03 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

Whoops! Glad you straightened that out, Quix. I thought “A” were most avid in terms of interest.


62 posted on 07/09/2010 7:48:26 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: MarkBsnr

So they had an interview with a ghost to get the lowdown on the space aliens????


63 posted on 07/09/2010 7:48:29 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: 0beron
I don’t know what the UFO is, it’s probably anything else but a UFO.

I know what you mean, but it probably WAS a UFO, which is simply an unidentified flying object. That object could be a blimp or a balloon, but until it's identified, the term UFO suffices.

I keep an open mind on such things, but I've never seen anything that is remotely convincing. One of the books on UFOs, the Day After Roswell, was loaned to me by a UFO buff. He told me the forward was written by Strom Thurmond. Here's the forward. It's clear to anyone that's dealt with writings from politicians that the author, Philip Corso, worked for Thurmond at one time and told Thurmond, or someone on his staff, that he was writing a book and asked Thurmond to write a forward. One of Thurmond's staff put together a complimentary biography and gave it to Corso. I later read that Thurmond stated he had no idea of the nature of the book when he agreed to write the forward. If you read the forward, there's no mention of UFOs.

The rest of the book was similarly slippery, in my opinion. This is what I've run into whenever I've investigated supposedly paranormal activities. It's like the store in Alice in Wonderland, where all the shelves are full until she looks directly at one. Then it's empty, but all the shelves around it are full.

64 posted on 07/09/2010 8:05:54 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: Quix
I think you’re smarter than that question would imply.

Appreciate the kudos, but I think that I am only smart enough to keep my company to the point where they don't fire me, and my wife to the point where she doesn't divorce me.

Jesse keeps a fairly low profile because at his advanced age and vast experience, there aren’t a lot of high priorities other than family etc.

One of the problems with conspiracy theories is that most of the time they are more theory than conspiracy. As the late Clara Peller made famous: "Where's the beef?"

He happens, BTW, to be Roman Catholic.

So are a lot of us. I can't say that I know another Roman Catholic that believes in alien life visiting Earth. I am an original Trekkie and I went to the 2010 Riverside Star Trek Festival, but that is as far as it goes.

And he did handle the Roswell foil and “I” beam etc. debris with his own hands at age 10 or 11 when his Dad Sr woke him up in the middle of the night to show him the stuff on the way to taking the first gleanings of the debris back to the air base.

Here's the problem: I don't know this. Where is this stuff? Why are all departments of the US Government and the Vatican and everybody else on board, but we have no proofs. Where's the beef, Quix? Where are the proofs?

65 posted on 07/09/2010 8:15:53 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix
I don’t know that the Vatican has a formal published department investigating it.

I don't know either. Will you promise me this? If you do run across something, will you please let me know?

imho, folks can be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN the Vatican is one of the better informed organizations on the planet on the topic.

Whereas in my opinion, I have no clue and will depend on those who follow these subjects to inform the rest of us.

66 posted on 07/09/2010 8:18:06 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Domestic Church

Beats me...


67 posted on 07/09/2010 8:19:01 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: betty boop; Quix; Alamo-Girl; xzins; marron; TXnMA; Buggman; MHGinTN; hosepipe; stfassisi
"Methinks this cardinal of the Church has been imbibing from springs of post-modern progressivist thought. "

Roger that, boop. "Alleged" it says. When the "alleged" becomes "confirmed" and the "Vatican Official" has been identified, then give me a tap on the shoulder. Until then, I'm behind on my nap time.

Thanks for the beep, boop.

68 posted on 07/09/2010 8:22:37 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: MarkBsnr

At this point there’s warehouses full of quality beef.

I have no claim to any ability to give folks eyes to see who refuse to see.


69 posted on 07/09/2010 8:23:24 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MarkBsnr

I tend to post significant updates on the whole vast subject area on FR as I’m aware of them.

No promises to individuals.

IF you want on the UFO ping list and behave yourself, I might put you there and leave you there.

I’m fed up with ignorant, narrow minded, willfully blind, rigid, clueless naysayers trashing such threads.

I won’t tolerate such folks on the ping list.


70 posted on 07/09/2010 8:25:07 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: DCPatriot

Sorry, it’s the largest number of interested who mostly want the choicest puzzle pieces to be bothered by.


71 posted on 07/09/2010 8:26:09 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix
I have no claim to any ability to give folks eyes to see who refuse to see.

Sorry, Quix. You guys claim it, and then say that you have warehouses full of quality beef. And then we only have to take a blindfolded car ride and walk through 3 miles of jungle in order to see what?

If the truth is out there, would it not be good to bring it to the unbelievers? St. Thomas asked and Jesus showed Himself and His wounds. Mysterious posturing is not the best way to convince the world.

72 posted on 07/09/2010 8:27:47 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix

I’ve been to a great number of UFO related threads on FR (and stayed mostly quiet). The problem is that I have seen no convincing evidence. There are no Damascus revelations. And that bothers me.


73 posted on 07/09/2010 8:30:13 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

WRONG.


74 posted on 07/09/2010 8:34:13 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: MarkBsnr

Most logical folks wouldn’t expect anything different

given all the givens and current realities.

Sheesh.


75 posted on 07/09/2010 8:37:30 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: YHAOS
Balducci was an official in the VAtican. That is not false.

GLEANINGS:

FROM:

http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1804.htm

UFO Evidence Home > Unsorted Documents 6 > Article / Document

The Curious Utterances of the Vatican's Monsignor Corrado Balducci

Gordon Creighton, Flying Saucer Review, Volume 45/4, Winter 2000

original source  |  fair use notice

Summary: This important Catholic prelate was already well known for his previous statement, some time ago, that he believed in the presence of alien intelligences interacting with planet Earth.


[The asterisk (*) indicates emphasis or italics.]

This important Catholic prelate was already well known for his previous statement, some time ago, that he believed in the presence of alien intelligences interacting with planet Earth.

What is probably much less well known however is the fact that he is the Vatican's senior Exorcist and Demonologist - and this makes some of his latest remarks and observations surprising - to say the very least!

At the *Second Ancona Ufological Congress, on April 17, 2000, the theme for discussion was "ALIEN CIVILIZATION: BETWEEN DOUBT AND REASON", and he gave an extensive interview there, expressing his opinions very clearly.

He stated emphatically that *of course* the Aliens and their vessels do quite definitely exist. On a number of occasions he had already voiced the highly intelligent view that, in between Man and Angels, there absolutely *must* also exist a considerable gamut - a great HIERARCHY of various other grades or levels of beings - and these might well be the "Aliens" now under discussion. From the theological point of view, he emphasised, there could be no doubt about *that*.

[Let us not forget either that in the Old Testament and other Jewish religious texts the talk is not merely of "Angels" (*Malakheem*, but also of *other* categories of celestial beings - such as *Cherubeem* and *Serapheem*. With my limited knowledge of Hebrew I have so far managed to find out very little indeed about these or any other categories of celestial beings in the old Hebrew Pantheon, and if anyone can help me on my way to learn more I would indeed be most grateful. I suspect that the old scholars and sages may have recognised even more than just these three grades of "Celestials". G.C.]

As regards acceptance of the general idea of life elsewhere in the Cosmos, the Monsignor pointed out that the saintly Italian priest Padre Pio, who was famous for his *stigmata* and for his miraculous healing of the sick, and who died only a few years ago, had always taken the existence of extraterrestrials for granted.

And, long before him, there had been - to quote just a few examples - such clerics as Cardinal Niccolo Cusano (1401-1464) who accepted the "alien" and "E.T." concepts and wrote about them. And also there had been the early Jesuit astronomer Father Angelo Secchi (1818-1899) who wrote: "*It is absurd to think that the other worlds around us are uninhabited deserts*".

And of course there had also been Giordano Bruno who had died at the stake for harbouring such beliefs.

When asked whether his investigation of the UFO Phenomenon was *purely personal* or had been based on official Vatican promptings, Monsignor Balducci - (not surprisingly) - hastened to emphasise that it all had been purely personal and that there was nothing "official" about it [which can hardly be true, as we at FSR have heard, for years past, that the Vatican possesses an active department devoted to the UFO Phenomenon. Indeed - how could it possibly be *otherwise*! G.C.

As already mentioned, this high-ranking Vatican dignitary, Monsignor Balducci, is himself recognized as the Vatican's No. One Demonologist. And yet it seems that there is not a single word in anything that he has ever said or written to indicate any knowledge whatsover of such matters as alien rape; crossbreeding; hybridization; removal of sperm and ova; implants, or the widespread harassment of humans by UFO entities, widespread mutilations of terrestrial animals, and ghastly human mutilations too.

The good Monsignor cannot possibly be unaware of these aspects of the matter. So I conclude that we are obliged to attribute scant value to his statements, which look like a piece of wild window-dressing. *Or worse*.

*He has blandly told us that any other intelligences are more or less certain to be higher and purer and more evolved than we are - bizarre views from a professional exorcist surely*!

One interesting assertion by Monsignor relates to the Fatima Apparitions of 1917 and other "Marian Phenomena". He sharply rejects the view (held by quite a lot of "ufologists" - all Catholics - in both Spain and Portugal) that the Marian Appearances might themselves be part of the entire UFO Phenomenon. "*Most certainly not*!" he says. "*Our Lady can do whatever she wants and she has no need for UFOs!*"

Responding to other questions about the chief dangers today threatening mankind, Monsignor Balducci made it clear that he sees the principal danger as a nuclear war against the West, some time before the year 2030 - an attack on the United States, by either the Chinese or the Arabs. [On which I agree with him 100%. -G.C.]

The second greatest danger, he agreed, was the impact on the Earth of a large asteroid or meteorite, which most astronomers will tell you quite frankly is probably rather over-due on Earth's time-scale.

As for the effect of these statements, I feel obliged to say that the discrepancy between the Monsignor's utterances and the perceived realities of our situation as we know it after half a century of study, can only be very unfortunate, for he is helping to lull the public into a passive and trance-like acceptance of the Demons who are currently our Lords and Masters, just as all of our media are already zealously doing.

So it looks to me like a very dishonest picture that we are being given, and it seems evident that the Vatican has no more intention than any Government has to come clean, and to tell the truth about the enormous problems which loom for our species.

ON WHOSE SIDE THEN IS BALDUCCI? Does all this not indicate that, within the Christian edifice of the Vatican there might lurk agents of another Force possessed of very, very different motivation and objectives? There are numerous disturbing indications that such might well be the case. One of these days I may decide to give an account of the amazing experiences of one of my friends which, alas, point in that direction. The details which I have given above are taken from Monsignor Balducci's statement, released earlier this summer [2000], about the Ancona Congress.

ADDENDUM I am indebted to Mr. Neil Cunningham of Edinburgh and to Paola Harris for the following further information that he has been authorised to pass to us by Dr. Steven Greer MD, Director of CSETI.

Together with the researcher/journalist Paola Harris and his own cameraman Peter Sorenson, Dr. Steven Greer was invited to meet Monsignor Balducci in his home in Rome on September 23(rd), the purpose being for the Monsignor to give an interview and to discuss with Dr. Greer the latter's plans for a major worldwide disclosure project regarding the UFO situation.

This ambitious project will include the filming of large numbers of military witnesses, intelligence officials, commercial pilots, scientists, and even astronauts (both American and Soviet).

These plans, which are already being put into operation will include such witnesses from Italy as well as all the other main countries involved. Dr. Greer had just come to Italy from Britain where he has filmed various people including myself.

Enlarging further on his views, Monsignor Balducci made some further altogether sensible remarks to the party, such as:

"*Of course* there must be *something else* between us and the Angels. And if there are such other beings, they are surely more evolved than we are.*" "We are" says Balducci, "at the bottom of the ladder for our ability to '*see good but do evil*'. It is illogical and a bit arrogant to believe that we are the only beings in God's creation. *Since all of Christianity is based on witness-testimony, we must realize how important testimony is*. It would be a tragedy if we began to be suspicious of all the people who report that they have experienced something unusual, like seeing craft in the sky, because there *are* some very credible witnesses who have seen these and who have come forward".

The only criticism that I personally (G.C.) have every voiced about Dr. Steven Greer has been because I often felt that he too seemed to be largely unaware of the *dark side* of the UFO Phenomenon, so I am delighted to see that this time he did not fail to put to Monsignor Balducci the all-important question of "whether the work of the Devil was included in the UFO Phenomenon?" But I was astounded once again to see Monsignor Balducci's reply to him which was:

"The Devil does not need UFOs to manifest. Nor are most witnesses suffering from illusions, as they have no reason to invent such things". He concluded by saying that it was both logical and desirable that "they" -the "Others"- should exist, since all that God creates gives glory to God the Creator".

Well - I have to say that I still find it all highly unsatisfactory. *Monsignor Balducci has totally failed to face up to the cardinal and central problem - namely the fact that we have such abundant evidence that so much of the UFO activity is evil and malignant by any standards that we can conceive of. He seems to think that, just because - as we can see - there are aliens who have marvellous technology, they must *ipso facto* also all be more advanced than we are, morally and spiritually!*

*What balderdash from Balducci! Didn't both Nazi Germany and Commie Russia have plenty of first-rate scientists - and "technology" to match! G.C.

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FROM:

http://www.ufodigest.com/balducci.html

Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is Real

by Richard Boylan, Ph.D

Vatican Official Declares Extraterrestrial Contact Is RealMonsignor Corrado Balducci, a theologian member of the Vatican Curia (governing body), and an insider close to the Pope, has gone on Italian national television five times, including recent months, to proclaim that extraterrestrial contact is a real phenomenon. Balducci provided an analysis of extraterrestrials that he feels is consistent with the Catholic Church's understanding of theology. Monsignor Balducci emphasizes that extraterrestrial encounters "are NOT demonic, they are NOT due to psychological impairment, they are NOT a case of entity attachment, but these encounters deserve to be studied carefully." Since Monsignor Balducci is a demonology expert and consultant to the Vatican , and since the Catholic Church has historically demonized many new phenomena that were poorly understood, his stating that the Church does not censure these encounters is all the more remarkable.

Balducci revealed to a visiting American professional that the Vatican is closely following this phenomenon quietly. My informant originally surmised that the Vatican is receiving much information about extraterrestrials and their contacts with humans from its Nunciatures (embassies) in various countries. But subsequent information indicated that the Monsignor has gotten his cases from other sources. Monsignor Balducci is a member of a group which acts as consultants to the Vatican on various matters concerning humans in possible contact with supernatural beings. As such, the matter of extraterrestrial encounters would fall within their purview, and possibly as well the spiritual significance of the emerging general realization of extraterrestrial contact.

Parallel information from National Security Council scientist Dr. Michael Wolf , a member of the NSC's SSG subcommittee for managing the UFO phenomenon, as well as from noted author and Vatican expert Father Malachi Martin, suggests that the Vatican is concerned that it will have a major doctrinal updating situation on its hands when extraterrestrial contact becomes authoritatively announced by world governments over the next several years.

Story source: ufodisclosure.com

Related Links:
Vatican and UFO: Secretum Omega
Vatican ponders baptism of extra-terrestrials
Many saints believed in extraterrestrial life
Vatican appoints official Da Vinci Code debunker
UFO Captured at Pope's Funeral

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FROM:

http://www.exopoliticsspain.es/articulos/Art-61.htm

Vatican Officially Proclaims that Extraterrestrial Life most Probably Exists!  
     
  By Paola Leopizzi Harris  
   
     
  On May 13, 2008 The anniversary of the Madonna of Fatima, Father Gabriel Funes, a Jesuit priest who directs the Vatican's observatory at Castel Gandolfo, near Rome declared that “As an astronomer, I continue to believe that God is the creator of the Universe. The search for extraterrestrial life does not contradict belief in God.” He added that some aliens might even be innocent of the original sin. “How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere?” Funes said. “Just as we consider earthly creatures as a ‘brother’ and a ‘sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother?' It would still be part of creation.” When Funes calls the Extraterrestrial “our brother or sister,” we are involved in some revolutionary thinking. That statement goes beyond saying that we are not alone in the Universe.
           
To make this statement even more important, the newspaper Il Osservatore Romano released the interview. The newspaper Il Osservatore Romano is the official mouthpiece of the Vatican. In the article, Funes stated, “Even if we don't currently have any proof, the hypothesis of extraterrestrial life cannot be ruled out. Just as there are a plethora of creatures on Earth, there could be others, equally intelligent, created by God,” he said.
  
It is with this statement that he echoes the words of Monsignor Corrado Balducci, my friend and UFO researcher many years in the field. We researchers know Balducci as the “unofficial” voice of the Vatican. At many UFO Conferences in Italy, Monsignore Balducci, once Vatican Nuncio to Washington DC, often echoed Father Funes when he said in Public “All is possible.” “God created us to give praise to Him, as I imagine he created others species to do the same. How can God be glorified without a varied creation?”
 
When I was living and working in Italy for the past fifteen years, I lived very close to the Vatican. I would dine often with Monsignor Corrado Balducci who was also an expert Demonologist, at his home near Via Anastasio II. He wanted to be the priest to open the door to this study of Ufology and he told me that since no one has ever hindered him, it serves as a silent approval. I believe that now the approval is not so silent with the Vatican proclamation of Father Funes!
 
Balducci and I both would share information and often I would ask him if he thought that there were aliens who were demons. He would tell me, “The devil does not need UFOs.” He believed that over the last 150 years, this phenomenon has appeared sequentially and with an increasing spreading and frequency rate.  He wanted to make it clear that Spiritualism or the paranormal and Ufology are two different types of manifestations.  He was very adamant that on the evolutionary scale there is something between the angels and us and they could be ETS.  Essentially we were at the bottom of the evolutionary ladder because we know the difference between good and evil, and often choose evil.
      
It is obvious that in the Future, the Catholic Church and the Pope will have a difficult time incorporating this belief in official dogma. Maintaining official Catholic doctrine may be impossible in this disclosure process because, as yet, it is all unmapped territory.
     
Unlike Father Funes who says that humans are the only ones possibly with original sin and therefore Jesus did not need to die for the sins of others in the Cosmos, Monsignor Balducci in 2004 said that Jesus did. He said, “Yes, of course. Jesus died for all beings in the cosmos. In the sacred Scriptures, He is called King of the Universe at least sixty-six times.” Balducci adds, “never underestimate the great mercy or compassion of God, whose grace and compassion surpasses all, and that means it relates to all of creation in all the cosmos.”
          
In his interview, Father Funes however, claims that original sin, which by Christian tradition occurred in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit of a particular tree, refers to the fallen state from which humans can be saved only by God's grace. Asked about the difficult theological question, Father Funes answered, “If other intelligent beings exist, it's not certain that they need redemption. They could have remained in full friendship with their ‘creator’ without committing the original sin,” he said. “If not, extraterrestrials would benefit equally from the 'incarnation,' in which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, assumed earthlings' flesh, body and soul in order to redeem them,” which Father Funes called “a unique event that cannot be repeated.” This is revolutionary considering that the Catholic Church has avoided the UFOs subject for centuries although UFOs are clearly depicted in Renaissance art. The blessed are usually followed by beams or balls of light in great works of art.

1. Fra Phillio Lippi
(The Annunciation of St Emidus by Carlos Crivelli-1486)

                
Something has changed with the Vatican when --- Pope Benedict XVI named a new director for the Vatican Observatory. Father José Gabriel Funes will succeed a controversial American, Father George Coyne. Father Funes, an Argentine Jesuit, is already a member of the Vatican Observatory team. The outgoing Father Coyne, also a Jesuit, has been director of the Observatory, which includes the observatory on Mt. Graham, Arizona for more than 25 years, and now steps down at the age of 73.  Last year Father Coyne drew worldwide attention for his public comments on the topics of evolution and the theory of intelligent design. In an August 2005 column for the London Tablet, the Jesuit astronomer criticizes arguments put forward by Cardinal Christopher Schönborn, questioning the Darwinian theory of evolution. A few weeks later, speaking at a conference in Florida, Father Coyne said, “Intelligent design isn't science, even if it pretends to be.”
              
Pope Leo XIII established the Vatican Observatory in 1891 to advance astronomical knowledge and to demonstrate the Church's support for the physical sciences. Originally it was located at Castel Gandolfo, near the Pope's summer residence. In 1981, because of the smog that obscures viewing of the sky near Rome, the main observatory was moved to Arizona, and Father Funes was spending most of his time there. Now observatory scientists can get down to business and study all the scientific evidence on origins of life and the universe and not just try and force fit the Catholic faith into the myth of evolution. 'Intelligent Design' and the 'Abrupt Appearance' will now be discussed along with evidences that show that life just hasn't been on Earth very long.
             
The scientific community and the church have split more than four centuries ago in the outcome of Galileo's persecution, who said that neither the Earth nor the Sun were situated in the center of the universe.  In 1633, he was tried for heretic beliefs and forced to deny his theory. 

“The church has somehow recognized its mistakes. Maybe it could have done it better, but now it's time to heal those wounds and this can be done through calm dialogue and collaboration.” said Funes. The beginning of the reconciliation between church and science began in 1992 with Pope John Paul's declaration saying that Galileo's trial was a “tragic mutual incomprehension.”

Since then the Vatican Observatory has been frantically trying to close the gap between science and religion. Its meteorite collection is currently one of the largest on Earth. The observatory was opened in 1891 by Pope Leo XIII and is located in Castel Gandolfo.  In addition, the team of cleric researchers often participates in studies held at the observatory at the University of Arizona.  The Mt. Graham Vatican Observatory site holds a special place. It is the home of the southernmost extension of many species as well as being, simultaneously, the location of the northernmost extension of others. The Sonoran and Chihuahuan desert populations also meet in this vicinity. Thus it was critical to assess the impact of the observatory presence upon the species represented on the top of Mt. Graham, especially those listed as endangered or threatened. There is another issue which has come to the fore more recently than the environmental issues. This is the issue of the religious significance of Mt. Graham to the Apache tribe, specifically those living on the San Carlos Reservation.  The question is, “Are the Jesuits then looking for ET?” 

Given what has been occurring with two major Vatican observatories and an avant guard astronomer priest, we need only add that it is it's OK to believe in aliens and we can see a revolutionary change in policy.

However, Monsignor Balducci has been studying UFOs for Years. He has met most of the important American researchers, such as Dr. Steven Greer and Dr. John Mack, Whitely Strieber and Dr. Richard Haines. He also had several meeting with Mexico’s own Jaime Maussan who saw him in Rome and filmed him in Washington DC when Balducci gave permission to all the Spanish world to embrace the extraterrestrial reality because it does not conflict with the Catholic religion. I accompanied him to Washington DC to Steven Basset’s X-Conference from Rome to receive a special award for courage.  In this timeline, Padre Balducci precedes Father Funes, Vatican astronomer who in reality verifies Balducci’s own claims.

UFOs fascinate Monsignore Balducci and he approaches the topic voluntarily even with strangers. He says, “We should believe contactees and witnesses who say they see UFOS because it is based on human testimony, as are our Gospels. Since a great deal of the Catholic faith is based on witness testimony, we must realize how important human testimony is. It would be a tragedy if we began to be suspicious of all people who report that they experienced something unusual like seeing crafts in the sky.” He adds, “What I understand, there are some very credible witnesses who have seen this phenomenon and have come forward. They are courageous and should not be dismissed. Many church fathers have addressed the extraterrestrial presence in early philosophical works. In fact, testimony is a form of communication of our faith. Imagine what could happen to individual and social life if the value of human testimony were diminished, an act which would logically cause the decrease and disappearance of our faith, which is essential for daily life!” 

Monsignore Balducci also adds, “I think that we need to examine it, then formulate ‘theological and Biblical considerations’ on the habitability of other planets. First of all, there is a clarification: We should exclude that angels use spaceships, because they are merely spiritual beings. They are wherever they want to be, and in the rare cases when they show themselves, they have no difficulty in assuming a visible form. We can say the very same thing about dead people. The Holy Virgin, in the very few cases when she seems to contact humans (very exceptional episodes and to be confirmed in their authenticity), continues to choose other, very different ways to transmit to us her maternal affection, her urgencies, her maternal claims or her sweet reproaches. We need to separate these realities.”

When I asked Monsignor Balducci how he reached these conclusions? He answered, “My conclusions come from my research in parapsychology and demonology. There are human testimonies concerning the UFO phenomenon — in particular the abduction phenomenon — which are essential to historical truth and must be considered seriously. These things cannot be attributed to the “devil.” He does not need UFOs. This has nothing to do with the Devil. These important UFO sightings by credible people must be taken into account because there are so many witnesses. It is as important as scientific research is! If we live in constant skepticism, we will destroy society and our dignity as human beings. We will believe no one. Catholicism, which is partially based on human testimony; primarily letters of followers of Jesus (Apologists), who explained the religious phenomena of Jesus and the resurrection and presented a certain truth. The church has based many of its doctrines on this human testimony. The Existence of UFOs is not contrary to one’s faith or Catholic Church doctrine. The acronym UFO (Unidentified Flying Object) is used here in a wider sense to include the existence of living beings on other planets. The aim of my intervention and speaking out is to underline that something real must exist in the phenomena, and that this does not conflict at all with Christian religion, and is considered positive, even among theologians. First, Something real must exist. Secondly, I have made some theological considerations on the habitability of other planets. Thirdly, much witness testimony favors it. Conclusion: Something real must exist. These ideas are mine, and I do not represent the Vatican. However, I am told that the Holy Father Pope John Paul II has seen me on Italian TV several times and follows my radio homilies. If there were some objection, I’m sure I would know. I have much research in this topic. I believe there to be no problem here. I heard that Padre Pio said something of this nature. Don Andrea Beltrami (1870-1897), the Salesian Father and servant of God, prayed also for the possible inhabitants of other planets. Of the 16 booklets he wrote, one seems to deal with this topic. The second is the recently sanctified Padre Pio, who was beatified by Pope John Paul II on May 2, 1999, and canonized on June 16, 2002.”

Padre Pio was asked the following question: “Father, some claim that there are creatures of God on other planets, too.” He replied, “What else? Do you think they don’t exist, and that God’s omnipotence is limited to this small planet Earth? What else? Do you think there are no other beings who love the Lord?”

Another time someone asked him, “Father Pio, I think the Earth is nothing, compared to other planets and stars.” His answer: “Exactly! Yes, and we Earthlings are nothing, too. The Lord certainly did not limit His glory to this small Earth. On other planets other beings exist who did not sin and fall as we did.”

In the May interview done by the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, Funes adds, “Such a notion 'doesn't contradict our faith' because aliens would still be God's creatures. Ruling out the existence of aliens would be like 'putting limits' on God's creative freedom.”

So, both Monsignore Balducci and Father Funes are in agreement here. They know a phenomenon exists, and although we don’t know who these aliens are, it is possible that they are more evolved than Man is today. Perhaps we can learn from them.

Paola Leopizzi Harris
July 20, 2008
Boulder, Colorado
 


76 posted on 07/09/2010 8:49:25 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

Regarding post 76: WOW. Just WOW. I’m going to refresh myself with a very insightful book I have on the Nephilim tomorrow. Then I’m going to read this post 76 slowly and carefully again. I’ll get back to you on this. Remarkable stuff.


77 posted on 07/09/2010 8:54:56 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Quix

Thanks for the ping!


78 posted on 07/09/2010 8:58:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: small voice in the wilderness

PLEASE check out Guy’s website

HTTP://WWW.ANCIENTOFDAYS.NET as well.

He’s the best I know on the topic with a huge stable of top flight experts speaking at length.


79 posted on 07/09/2010 9:14:27 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: betty boop
Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ!

God IS gloried and glorified in His "varied creation" already, and that since Day One. But the variation we see in the natural world, its splendid diversity, is not born of chaos; it is born — and sustained — only in God, Who created all things in heaven and earth by His holy Word, the Logos.

Indeed.

80 posted on 07/09/2010 9:15:07 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix

will do, and thanks. I’m sorta not sleepy anymore. Know what I mean?!


81 posted on 07/09/2010 9:20:26 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: betty boop

Yes it is disturbing, for one thing all things are not possible for man such as creation. We can build or change things with existing materials but we do not create anything. A man and women can come together and a child is born but they are not creating the child.

“it is born — and sustained — only in God, Who created all things in heaven and earth by His holy Word’

Absolutely.


82 posted on 07/09/2010 9:28:31 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Quix
One more thought I just had..

we know that Satan is the prince of the power of the air.

We know that in the rapture we are going to meet Christ in the air.

Satan is going to witness this event, IMO.

He's going to have to think fast how to explain this away.

He's going to need willing partners on this earth to explain this sudden phenomenom.

83 posted on 07/09/2010 9:31:43 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness; MarkBsnr; ALASKA; ActionNewsBill; A knight without armor; albertp; ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Gabriel_Funes

Vatican Observatory official--Jose Gabriel Funes.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Horn/thomas12.htm

IS THE VATICAN EASING HUMANITY TOWARD ALIEN DISCLOSURE?

 

By Thomas R. Horn

May 24, 2008

NewsWithViews.com

Vatican chief astronomer Father Jose Gabriel Funes in a long interview with the L'Osservatore Romano newspaper this week made news by saying there is a certain possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, and that such notion "doesn't contradict our faith."

"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere? Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation," he said.

The statements by Funes are the latest in a string of recent comments by Vatican astronomers confirming a belief that discovery may be made in the near future of alien life, including intelligent life, and that this discovery would not unhinge the doctrine of Christ.

In 2005, another Vatican astronomer, Guy Consolmagno tackled this subject in a 50-page booklet, Intelligent Life in the Universe, in which he concluded that chances are better than not that mankind is facing a future discovery of extraterrestrial intelligence.

Approximately 7 years ago Monsignor Corrado Balducci made similar news when he said ETs were actually already interacting with earth and that some of the Vatican's leaders were aware of it.

Before his death in 1999, maverick Catholic theologian Father Malachi Martin hinted at such more than once. In 1997, while on Coast to Coast AM radio, Art Bell asked him why the Vatican was heavily invested in the study of deep space at Mt Graham Observatory in southeastern Arizona. As a retired professor of the Pontifical Biblical Institute, Father Martin was uniquely qualified to hold in secret, information pertaining to the Vatican's Advanced Technology Telescope (VATT) project at the Mount Graham International Observatory (MGIO). Martin's answer ignited a firestorm of interest among Christian and secular UFOlogists when he said, "Because the mentality... amongst those who [are] at the... highest levels of Vatican administration and geopolitics, know that, now, knowledge of what's going on in space, and what's approaching us, could be of great import in the next five years, ten years."

Those cryptic words "...what's approaching us, could be of great import in the next five years, ten years," was followed in subsequent interviews with discussion of a mysterious "sign in the sky" that Malachi believed was approaching from the North. People familiar with Malachi believe he may have been referring to a near-future arrival of alien intelligence.

[ Read Tom Horn's book "Spiritual Warfare: The Invisible Invasion"]

If ET life is something Vatican officials have privately considered for some time, why speak of it so openly now, in what some perceive as a careful doctrinal unveiling over the last 24 months? Is this a deliberate effort by church officials to "warm-up" the laity to ET Disclosure? Are official church publications on the subject an attempt to soften the blow before disclosure arrives, in order to help the faithful retain their orthodoxy in light of unprecedented forthcoming knowledge?

There might be a more mundane explanation for the Vatican's recent interest in all things spacey.

Writing on Thursday, May 15th for Newsweek (The Vatican and Little Green Men), Sharon Begley noted that "[this] might be part of a push to demonstrate the Vatican's embrace of science (in 1992 it apologized for that whole unfortunate Galileo mess, after all)... Interestingly, the Vatican has plans to host a conference in Rome next spring to mark the 150th anniversary of the Origin of Species, Charles Darwin's seminal work on the theory of evolution. Conference organizers say it will look beyond entrenched ideological positions—including misconstrued creationism. The Vatican says it wants to reconsider the problem of evolution 'with a broader perspective' and says an 'appropriate consideration is needed more than ever before.'"

The 'appropriate consideration' Begley mentions may have been alluded to by Guy Consolmagno two years ago in an interview with the Sunday Herald. That article pointed out how Consolmagno's job included reconciling "the wildest reaches of science fiction with the flint-eyed dogma of the Holy See" and that his latest mental meander was about "the Jesus Seed" - "a brain-warping theory which speculates that, perhaps, every planet that harbours intelligent, self-aware life may also have had a Christ walk across its methane seas, just as Jesus... did here on Earth in Galilee. The salvation of the Betelguesians may have happened simultaneously with the salvation of the Earthlings," the article said. This sounds a bit like holy panspermia to me -- the idea that life on earth was "seeded" by something such as an asteroid impact -- but in this case "the seed" was divinely appointed and reconciled to Jesus / God.

Do other religions agree with the Vatican on ET brethren?

Following L'Osservatore Romano's interview with Jose Funes, Muslim and Jewish leaders joined to say their religion could accommodate an ET reality, while a scholar for the Russian Orthodoxy excluded the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligence.

The question of how the world's political and religious communities would respond if suddenly faced with visitors from beyond is something world religions and even the US Government has studied. Paul Davies of The Atlantic Monthly wrote in 2003 that the discovery of even a single bacterium somewhere beyond Earth could force mankind to revise its understanding of who we are and where we fit into the cosmic scheme of things. Davies speculated that such a find could throw the human race into a spiritual identity crisis that could leave some gasping for faith in God.

In contrast, the Alexander UFO Religious Crisis Survey of ministers indicated that a majority of people--both religious and non-religious--not only believe in but could accept an ET reality without throwing God out with the bathwater.

Davies hopes this is true. As a cosmologist he sees order in the universe, including the anthropic balances that make life possible elsewhere. This has led to a deep personal interest in the subject of God and ET in which his response to either an ET discovery or visitation would be compatible to his religious ideas. He says the discovery of extraterrestrial life might actually substantiate biblical creation, not challenge it, if mankind is--as the Alexander UFO Religious Crisis Survey suggests--ready for it.

Professor Anthony Tambasco of Georgetown University not only believes the world--including its religious people--is ready for ET, but responding to NASA's recent press releases about life potentially existing on Mars, he said that if the discovery of life is substantiated, "it will not unravel traditional biblical convictions, but rather provide an opportunity to enlarge or broaden them."

In a related CCN article, Sayyid Syeed of the Islamic Society of North America said, "Most Muslims would also welcome the discovery of life off of Earth." The Koran refers to Allah as the God of 'worlds,' he said, not just one world.

Rabbi James Ruden of the American Jewish Committee says most Jews also leave open the possibility of life on other planets in their interpretation of Genesis.

But What If ET Is Already Here, And He's the Devil?

Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) are historically connected to the idea of extraterrestrial life. In some cases, behavior of these strange sightings have left witnesses feeling as if they had observed something alive, not mechanical. "I have become thoroughly convinced that UFOs are real," popular Christian writer Hal Lindsey once wrote. "I believe these beings are not only extraterrestrial but supernatural in origin. To be blunt, I think they are demons."

In Angels Dark and Light, Gary Kinnaman accepts UFO sightings as the manifestations of angels of darkness. "My main reason for thinking this is that UFO sightings have never, at least to my knowledge, led a person closer to God. In fact, most UFO experiences have just the opposite effect."

Associate professor of psychology Elizabeth L. Hillstrom points out in her book Testing the Spirits that a growing number of scholars support similar conclusions of UFOnauts being synonymous with historical demons:

From a Christian perspective, Vallee's explanation of UFOs is the most striking because of its parallels with demonic activity. UFO investigators have noticed these similarities. Vallee himself, drawing from extrabiblical literature on demonic activities, establishes a number of parallels between UFOnauts and demons....Pierre Guerin, a UFO researcher and a scientist associated with the French National Council for Scientific Research, is not so cautious: "The modern UFOnauts and the demons of past days are probably identical." Veteran researcher John Keel, who wrote UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse and other books on the subject, comes to the same conclusion: "The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon."

Other theologians caution against connecting UFOs with demonology. They say if UFOs represent anything supernatural at all, the unidentified objects could be manifestations of good angels, while phenomenon such as so-called alien abduction is more in line with manifestations of demons. In other words, good "Watchers" observe earth from UFOs (using what one evangelical theologian recently referred to as "celestial conveyances") while fallen Watchers such as those spoken of in the apocryphal Book of Enoch do evil.

Regardless of the position one takes on UFOs specifically, the possibility of open contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life has never been better according to those who study deep space for the Vatican.

© 2008 Thomas Horn - All Rights Reserved


84 posted on 07/09/2010 9:31:58 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix

What you state here regarding “the Great Deception” is that which I have come to believe as well.

When humans don’t receive The Savior, they will look for one elsewhere.


85 posted on 07/09/2010 11:34:54 PM PDT by happygrl (Continuing to predict that 0bama will resign)
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To: small voice in the wilderness

“. . .prince of the power of the air. . .Why would we trust anything that appears in the ‘air’?”

As a fighter pilot that is gawd-like in my domain of ‘air,’ I am feeling a little under-appreciated and mischaracterized.

:-)


86 posted on 07/10/2010 12:03:16 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: happygrl

What you state here regarding “the Great Deception” is that which I have come to believe as well.

When humans don’t receive The Savior, they will look for one elsewhere.


INDEED.

THX THX.


87 posted on 07/10/2010 1:38:35 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Hulka

Can you describe the 3 strangest craft you’ve ever seen flying?


88 posted on 07/10/2010 1:39:47 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix
The problem I have with Monsignor Balducci's approach to this matter is the same one Gordon Creighton has, to wit...
Monsignor Balducci has totally failed to face up to the cardinal and central problem - namely the fact that we have such abundant evidence that so much of the UFO activity is evil and malignant by any standards that we can conceive of. He seems to think that, just because - as we can see - there are aliens who have marvellous technology, they must *ipso facto* also all be more advanced than we are, morally and spiritually!

I think the good Monsignor has been seduced into believing a lie (the Cortez-Montezuma effect). The body of work produced by John Mack and Bud Hopkins, which as you know focuses on personal experiences with these beings, paints a very dark picture of this so-called "alien" life.

89 posted on 07/10/2010 4:36:54 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Does building demolition count as a Muslim engineering achievement?)
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To: Quix

These articles you post are not reputable sources.

This is akin to arguing over an Enquirer article about a photo shopped baby picture really resulting from Sasquatch and Elvis mating.

This entire thread is an embarrassment to Free Republic.


90 posted on 07/10/2010 4:55:14 AM PDT by FarmerW (Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat scorned. - Milton Friedman)
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To: Hulka
LOL!

you are a TREASURE!

91 posted on 07/10/2010 7:24:56 AM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Defending the Indefensible. The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Quix

Hi Quix!!! “Monsignor” is the honorific style of address for all higher prelates of the Roman Church; that is, ecclesiastics above the rank of priest and below the rank of cardinal; e.g., bishops and archbishops.


92 posted on 07/10/2010 8:09:30 AM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: valkyry1
We can build or change things with existing materials but we do not create anything.

So true, valkyry1! When man "creates" he must do so from preexisting materials, so to speak. Ultimately he does not create the materials with which he is working.

Thank you so very much for writing!

93 posted on 07/10/2010 8:18:44 AM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: Quix; Alamo-Girl

Thanks to you also, dear brother in Christ! However, my remarks really are off-point WRT UFOs and what they portend. I’ve never seen a UFO. But my husband has, and believes they are real. The fact of the matter is we really don’t know much about them. So what is said about them seems to me pretty much speculation at this point. Still, we have to keep an open mind. According to Monsignore Balducci, the Church takes these phenomena seriously.


94 posted on 07/10/2010 8:33:23 AM PDT by betty boop (Those who do not punish bad men are really wishing that good men be injured. — Pythagoras)
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To: Quix

Not wrong. Those who make claims have the onus upon them to prove those claims.


95 posted on 07/10/2010 8:37:43 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Quix
Most logical folks wouldn’t expect anything different

Appreciate the compliment. But I still will don the St. Thomas mantle and ask for proof.

96 posted on 07/10/2010 8:39:08 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

I agree entirely.


97 posted on 07/10/2010 8:40:45 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: FarmerW; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aragorn; auggy; autumnraine; ...
This entire thread is an embarrassment to Free Republic.

NO TO THE MAX!

THAT kind of ignorance about the topic is a FAR greater embarrassment to FR.

It's also VERY DANGEROUS to SOULS and other living things . . . such as cattle, bison, deer, dogs, cats, and mutilated humans, for a start.

98 posted on 07/10/2010 8:46:18 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Quix
Let us look at the specific statements:

Vatican chief astronomer Father Jose Gabriel Funes in a long interview with the L'Osservatore Romano newspaper this week made news by saying there is a certain possibility of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, and that such notion "doesn't contradict our faith."

"How can we rule out that life may have developed elsewhere? Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation," he said.

The statements by Funes are the latest in a string of recent comments by Vatican astronomers confirming a belief that discovery may be made in the near future of alien life, including intelligent life, and that this discovery would not unhinge the doctrine of Christ.

The statement by Fr. Funes does not confirm anything to the effect that discovery may be made in the near future of alien life. It merely says that it may exist and therefore the Vatican is preparing for such eventuality. Fr. Malachi Martin's statement of maybe another 5 or 10 years - he died in 1999 - has passed its term limit. It now more than 10 years. Where is the important event or happenings?

Regardless of the position one takes on UFOs specifically, the possibility of open contact with intelligent extraterrestrial life has never been better according to those who study deep space for the Vatican.

There are no statements posted here that back this statement up. I see much reading into things and much speculation, and frankly, much wishful thinking. Come on, Quix. You've been involved in this for quite some time. Where is the smoking gun? Where can this St. Thomas put his hand?

99 posted on 07/10/2010 8:47:46 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: betty boop

Ahhh.

Thanks.

That would explain why I never could quite place where the ‘rank’ went amidst bishops, archbishops and cardinals.

Thx


100 posted on 07/10/2010 8:48:27 AM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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