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Only Muslims should decide whether to build Ground Zero mosque
Mormon Times ^ | July 30, 2010 | McKay Coppins

Posted on 07/30/2010 8:12:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

When I first began reading about the controversy surrounding a proposed Mosque being built near Ground Zero in New York City, I was completely mystified: We live in America! In 2010! Are we seriously debating whether a mainstream religion should have the right to build a house of worship?

I was even more bewildered when I read that 52 percent of New Yorkers were opposed to the construction of the Mosque, with 31 percent in favor and 17 percent undecided. Filled with moral outrage, I posted an angry Facebook status with a link to an article about conservative politicians capitalizing on the bigotry.

Almost immediately, though, I began to question my indignation. Having lived in New York for about three months now, I can attest to the fact that it's among the most tolerant places in the world. On any given subway car, you'll find more economic, racial, religious and political diversity than most college campuses. The 8 million people who live in New York 's five boroughs are not generally a bigoted bunch – so why were they showing such contempt for Muslims?

There's no simple answer, of course, and that may not even be a fair question. Some New Yorkers are clearly just motivated by blind prejudice and hatred. Some are worried about zoning laws. And still some have formed their opinions based on centuries-old religious struggles. (The same poll found that 66 percent of Jews in New York opposed the Mosque.)

But all of them – at least those who have lived in New York over the past decade – have one thing in common: they watched as the twin towers fell only miles from their homes.

And so I tread carefully here. As someone who watched 9/11 unfold on CNN, safe in my suburban Massachusetts home, I cannot relate to the people who lost family members, friends and co-workers in those towers, the people whose minds filled with fear for months every time they boarded a bus or entered a crowded office building.

But as a Mormon, I can't accept that religious persecution is justified by an isolated group of people who severely misinterpret their faith. Very little compares in scope to the 9/11 terror attacks, but every religious group contains members who use their beliefs as an excuse to commit atrocities. Should Protestant churches be banned from places where the KKK has committed murder? Should Latter-day Saints be forbidden from building chapels on blocks where crazed fundamentalists have committed child abuse?

Much was made last week of Sarah Palin's Tweet on this subject: "Peace-seeking Muslims, pls understand, Ground Zero mosque is UNNECESSARY provocation; it stabs hearts. Pls reject it in interest of healing."

And I can see her critics' points. For one thing, Palin must know by now that whenever she makes a comment (even on a local zoning issue) she further incites the type of inflammatory partisan debate that has gridlocked Congress. For another, it seems unreasonable that she wants "peace-seeking Muslims" to distinguish themselves from terrorists while so many of us seem unwilling to distinguish a Mosque from a terrorist boot camp.

But on at least one count, I think Palin has it right. If anyone is going to decide not to build a Mosque near Ground Zero, it should be Muslims. Again, as a Mormon, I would be infuriated if a government prohibited my church from building a chapel because of a few violent, misguided Latter-day Saints, but if church leaders decided for themselves that it was unnecessary to incite the anger of so many, I would stand behind their judgment.

I understand that New Yorkers have more reasons than most to be anxious, scared or angry. But I also believe that all people should be allowed to worship "how, where, or what they may."

And so, I believe, did the founding fathers.

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McKay Coppins is a journalism major at BYU. His weekly blog chronicles the Mormon twenty-something experience. McKay's column, "Mormon Twentysomething," appears Fridays on MormonTimes.com.

E-mail: mcoppins@desnews.com


TOPICS: Current Events; Islam; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 911; groundzeromosque; islam; lds; newmecca; newsweak; newyork; palin; pravdamedia; romney; romney4sharia; sniff; surrendermonkey; terrorism; wot
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The founding fathers fought the Barbary Pirates not long after the American Revolution, McKay, so they knew Muslims for what they were.
1 posted on 07/30/2010 8:12:55 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this a joke?


2 posted on 07/30/2010 8:14:29 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

nonsense.


3 posted on 07/30/2010 8:14:37 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now and in the future)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Who is this idiot kidding?


4 posted on 07/30/2010 8:15:03 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s name “Cordoba House” trumpets the fact that this is a political statement, not religious.


5 posted on 07/30/2010 8:15:03 AM PDT by DManA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No mosques in America until there are churches in Mecca!


6 posted on 07/30/2010 8:15:26 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In the US, Islam is sedition.


7 posted on 07/30/2010 8:16:04 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ll let the Muzzies decide on their mosque at Ground Zero when they let the Jews bomb the great mosque in Mecca and erect a synagogue in its place!


8 posted on 07/30/2010 8:16:15 AM PDT by ssaftler (Arizonans: Doing the job that Americans won't do.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When did Mormoms fly planes into buildings and murder 3,000+ people in the name of Brigham Young or Joe Smith or whomever Mormoms have faith in. Not a perfect analogy but most people get the drift.

Islam is not a religion. IT is a political movement of conquest. I am amazed a Mormom wrote this because most of them are pretty smart.


9 posted on 07/30/2010 8:16:53 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: svcw
Is this a joke?

The whole discussion is a joke. It's private property; the owner builds what the owner wants. Period.

10 posted on 07/30/2010 8:16:57 AM PDT by Greymung
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To: svcw

Good grief

Is this Onion or Scrappleface ???

What kind of a sick joke is this ???


11 posted on 07/30/2010 8:16:59 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Soon the USA will have more mosques than McDonald’s outlets.

Keep it up. Even now we don’t recognize this nation!

Where’s our Francisco Franco?


12 posted on 07/30/2010 8:16:59 AM PDT by IbJensen ((Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Well the muslims around the world are okay with a standing death sentence for any non-muslim who'd dare enter the segregated cities of Mecca and Medina. They are also silent on the religious oppression of all non-muslims in Saudi Arabia and other muslim theocracratic nations.

Why not just surrender to our muslim superiors? Islam means submit.

The name selected for this mosque and the date of establishment are signifies that they see this as a Western capital of Islam. It'll make it much easier to enslave the kufir seized in jihad. Y’see, prisoners must first be taken to “muslim territory” before they can be divided up as slaves.

The whole NOTION of muslim territory is an offense to our Constitutional foundation with a freedom of religion.

No. Hell no.

Until POLITICAL Islam dies as Nazism died, there can be no tolerance for the intolerant system of rule that masquerades as a religion.

13 posted on 07/30/2010 8:17:54 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Is it rude to suggest that Ground Zero wouldn't be a good place for an Islamic mosque and cultural center?

Intemperate to point out that Mountain Meadows would be a poor choice for a Mormon Temple and cultural center?

Irrational to recommend that the forest of Katyn would be a poor place to construct a Russian cultural center?

How about a Shinto shrine and Japanese cultural center at Pearl Harbor?

14 posted on 07/30/2010 8:17:54 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wonder if he would change his tune if fanatical Muzzies flew a large airplane into the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City and then wanted to build a mosque next to Temple Square.


15 posted on 07/30/2010 8:18:08 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: svcw
Is he serious? Is he serious?

"You've got to be kidding,"

16 posted on 07/30/2010 8:18:09 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Only Muslims should decide whether to build Ground Zero mosque," McKay Coppins of the Mormon Times

MORMON Times, McKay.

Not MORON Times.

17 posted on 07/30/2010 8:18:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McKay, someone slaughtered your wife, your son, your daughter. Killed your mom and dad too.

They want to build a house next door to you, what to do, what to do????

ass.


18 posted on 07/30/2010 8:18:57 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (Perseverance. In a confrontation between the river and the rock, the river always wins)
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To: IbJensen

And they will be funded in violation of our Consitution by the “State” (Saudi Arabia).


19 posted on 07/30/2010 8:19:04 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
This is not a mosque. It is a memorial to Islams victory overAMerica on 9/11.

Bought and paid for by wealthy foreignors who hate America. I think it should be built so we can blow it uo for them.

20 posted on 07/30/2010 8:19:04 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama .......yes.......is fascist... ..He meets every diagnostic of history.)
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To: Greymung

That is exactly right. As much as I prefer for them not to build it, this is America. At least I think it is; it’s so hard to tell lately.


21 posted on 07/30/2010 8:19:35 AM PDT by Vasilli22
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To: Greymung

Welcome to FR


22 posted on 07/30/2010 8:20:07 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

McKay Coppins is a writer and journalist living in New York City with his wife Annie. He is currently an intern at Newsweek, contributing to the magazine’s website and various blogs. He also writes a weekly religion column for Salt Lake City’s Deseret News and sister site MormonTimes.com. He will soon graduate with a degree in print journalism from Brigham Young University, where he was editor-in-chief of the campus newspaper The Daily Universe for the 2009-2010 academic year.

23 posted on 07/30/2010 8:20:10 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Greymung
The whole discussion is a joke. It's private property; the owner builds what the owner wants. Period.

Cool! I'm building a combination Anthrax-lab, Nuclear Device Research Crack House Bordello there!

24 posted on 07/30/2010 8:21:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("We beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If muslims blew up the SLC temple and then demanded the right to build a mosque on the site, would you be in favor of it?


25 posted on 07/30/2010 8:21:15 AM PDT by Guyin4Os (A messianic ger-tsedek)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Interesting that if you want to rate the article the only choices are: insightful, inspirational or informative.

I guess those are really choices for instance:

insightful, yea I have insight to what a moron you are:

inspirational, yep I am inspired to work harder to stop these islamic fascists;

informative, it sure is. I have read several articles on Mormon Times about the partnering of lds with muslims, this just reinforces that.

26 posted on 07/30/2010 8:21:43 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shilling for the killers? Do you know who the people behind this are?

NY might not care but the rest of the US does.
And we don’t want them there. It’s another inch.

If I were a NYer, I would be embarrassed to say so if they let this kick in our faces happen.


27 posted on 07/30/2010 8:22:01 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (demonicRATS... taxes, pain and slow death. Is this what you want?)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Next you’ll be saying we should adopt Mexico’s immigration laws.


28 posted on 07/30/2010 8:22:01 AM PDT by Ragnar54
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To: Frantzie

Well then I’m sure the mormons will welcome a mosque in Temple Square...


29 posted on 07/30/2010 8:22:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kcvl

Stupid is as stupid does.


30 posted on 07/30/2010 8:23:08 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP ( Give me Liberty, or give me an M-24A2!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“”But I also believe that all people should be allowed to worship “how, where, or what they may.””

WHERE is the answer....Preferably not in our country. I guess he doesn’t know that the Imam of that mosque has a wife who said that A PLANE crashed into a building in that area. No kidding, you freak!

Are they going to be tolerant of other religions? Nope!

Seems he left liberal MA for liberal NY. He needs to get out more!


31 posted on 07/30/2010 8:23:23 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: IbJensen

That is their plan. All financed and paid for by the Saudis through the Muslim Brotherhood.


32 posted on 07/30/2010 8:24:03 AM PDT by Frantzie (Democrats = Party of I*lam)
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To: Greymung
" It's private property; the owner builds what the owner wants. Period. 10 posted on Friday, July 30, 2010 11:16:57 AM by Greymung "

Uh, there is no such thing as private property. This property needs to remain on the tax rolls and the zoning should prohibit seditious uses.

33 posted on 07/30/2010 8:24:12 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: I am Richard Brandon
A single Catholic Cathedral in Riyadh (3 or 4 stories of course) - and no worry that it would not be burned out during construction or after.

What am I thinking?? - That would never happen.

Muzzies MAY be mainstream in 3rd world cesspits, but hardly a major factor in the 1st world - at least for now.

I would suggest this twenty-something stick his nose back into the books and leave politics alone - that hasn't worked out at all well for mormons since back in the day.

34 posted on 07/30/2010 8:24:36 AM PDT by ASOC (Alpha India Alpha Three Tango Alpha)
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To: Ragnar54

Mexico’s immigration laws would be an improvement. They enforce theirs, or in the words of El President de la Mexico: “We send back them”.


35 posted on 07/30/2010 8:25:36 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (I wish our president loved the US military as much as he loves Paul McCartney.)
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To: svcw

No, it is a college student who is studying journalism. About par for the course.


36 posted on 07/30/2010 8:25:41 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I suggest McKay go on a missions trip to KSA. Be sure to bring along plenty of Bibles, copies of Mormon tracts, etc. I’m certain he would be met with open arms. /sarc


37 posted on 07/30/2010 8:26:04 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: DuncanWaring

“”I wonder if he would change his tune if fanatical Muzzies flew a large airplane into the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City and then wanted to build a mosque next to Temple Square.””

Excellent.....


38 posted on 07/30/2010 8:26:40 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: La Lydia

I just read the profile someone posted and it all makes sense. he will be perfect for the liberal press.


39 posted on 07/30/2010 8:27:11 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: svcw

Newsweek’s McKay Coppins is saying that if Utah ends up electing a Democrat, you can “thank the Tea Party.”


40 posted on 07/30/2010 8:27:32 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“There’s no simple answer, of course.”

What nonsense.


41 posted on 07/30/2010 8:28:34 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: kcvl

He is a flipping moron. He will make a great liberal rag writer.


42 posted on 07/30/2010 8:29:03 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: tgusa

“KSA” ???


43 posted on 07/30/2010 8:29:31 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kcvl
Coppins is just taking the opportunity to jump on the "victim" bandwagon.The momons, The Corporation of The President of The Church of Latter-Day Saints, one of the richest corporations in the country, have been doing this for over 150 years.

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44 posted on 07/30/2010 8:31:58 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Rush "They hate me because I am the most prominent, effective and unrelenting voice of conservatism")
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To: Ragnar54

Right on, right on


45 posted on 07/30/2010 8:32:14 AM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

when you are young and wet behind the ears, living in a bubble......don’t know your history, you are doomed to repeat it.


46 posted on 07/30/2010 8:32:20 AM PDT by tioga
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To: Tennessee Nana

KSA=Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Sorry for the ‘mil-speak’, I served a 90-day sentence there with the military.


47 posted on 07/30/2010 8:33:03 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When we can build Catholic Churches and Synagogues in Saudi Arabia we can talk about what rights do muzzies have to build their mosque where they want to.
48 posted on 07/30/2010 8:35:50 AM PDT by noname07718 (Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction-Ronald Reagan 1993)
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To: svcw

Looks like he meets the liberal media’s requirements for good looks and attractiveness, too. When did the sociaists take over BYU? And why did the Mormons allow them to?


49 posted on 07/30/2010 8:36:14 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Tennessee Nana

Probably means ‘Kingdom of Saudi Arabia”.


50 posted on 07/30/2010 8:38:02 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "Hapana Obama")
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