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Only Muslims should decide whether to build Ground Zero mosque
Mormon Times ^ | July 30, 2010 | McKay Coppins

Posted on 07/30/2010 8:12:54 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

When I first began reading about the controversy surrounding a proposed Mosque being built near Ground Zero in New York City, I was completely mystified: We live in America! In 2010! Are we seriously debating whether a mainstream religion should have the right to build a house of worship?

I was even more bewildered when I read that 52 percent of New Yorkers were opposed to the construction of the Mosque, with 31 percent in favor and 17 percent undecided. Filled with moral outrage, I posted an angry Facebook status with a link to an article about conservative politicians capitalizing on the bigotry.

Almost immediately, though, I began to question my indignation. Having lived in New York for about three months now, I can attest to the fact that it's among the most tolerant places in the world. On any given subway car, you'll find more economic, racial, religious and political diversity than most college campuses. The 8 million people who live in New York 's five boroughs are not generally a bigoted bunch – so why were they showing such contempt for Muslims?

There's no simple answer, of course, and that may not even be a fair question. Some New Yorkers are clearly just motivated by blind prejudice and hatred. Some are worried about zoning laws. And still some have formed their opinions based on centuries-old religious struggles. (The same poll found that 66 percent of Jews in New York opposed the Mosque.)

But all of them – at least those who have lived in New York over the past decade – have one thing in common: they watched as the twin towers fell only miles from their homes.

And so I tread carefully here. As someone who watched 9/11 unfold on CNN, safe in my suburban Massachusetts home, I cannot relate to the people who lost family members, friends and co-workers in those towers, the people whose minds filled with fear for months every time they boarded a bus or entered a crowded office building.

But as a Mormon, I can't accept that religious persecution is justified by an isolated group of people who severely misinterpret their faith. Very little compares in scope to the 9/11 terror attacks, but every religious group contains members who use their beliefs as an excuse to commit atrocities. Should Protestant churches be banned from places where the KKK has committed murder? Should Latter-day Saints be forbidden from building chapels on blocks where crazed fundamentalists have committed child abuse?

Much was made last week of Sarah Palin's Tweet on this subject: "Peace-seeking Muslims, pls understand, Ground Zero mosque is UNNECESSARY provocation; it stabs hearts. Pls reject it in interest of healing."

And I can see her critics' points. For one thing, Palin must know by now that whenever she makes a comment (even on a local zoning issue) she further incites the type of inflammatory partisan debate that has gridlocked Congress. For another, it seems unreasonable that she wants "peace-seeking Muslims" to distinguish themselves from terrorists while so many of us seem unwilling to distinguish a Mosque from a terrorist boot camp.

But on at least one count, I think Palin has it right. If anyone is going to decide not to build a Mosque near Ground Zero, it should be Muslims. Again, as a Mormon, I would be infuriated if a government prohibited my church from building a chapel because of a few violent, misguided Latter-day Saints, but if church leaders decided for themselves that it was unnecessary to incite the anger of so many, I would stand behind their judgment.

I understand that New Yorkers have more reasons than most to be anxious, scared or angry. But I also believe that all people should be allowed to worship "how, where, or what they may."

And so, I believe, did the founding fathers.

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McKay Coppins is a journalism major at BYU. His weekly blog chronicles the Mormon twenty-something experience. McKay's column, "Mormon Twentysomething," appears Fridays on MormonTimes.com.

E-mail: mcoppins@desnews.com


TOPICS: Current Events; Islam; Other Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: 911; groundzeromosque; islam; lds; newmecca; newsweak; newyork; palin; pravdamedia; romney; romney4sharia; sniff; surrendermonkey; terrorism; wot
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

51 posted on 07/30/2010 8:38:11 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (Michelle Obama, The Early Years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBYGxBlFOSU)
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To: ssaftler
I’ll let the Muzzies decide on their mosque at Ground Zero when they let the Jews bomb the great mosque in Mecca and erect a synagogue in its place!

Right on!
52 posted on 07/30/2010 8:38:57 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: Lazamataz
Cool! I'm building a combination Anthrax-lab, Nuclear Device Research Crack House Bordello there!

Just call it a mosque...
53 posted on 07/30/2010 8:39:08 AM PDT by alecqss
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are we seriously debating whether a mainstream religion should have the right to build a house of worship?

No one is saying they can't build it. They are just complaining about WHERE it is being built.

Cities restrict where churches can be built, so what's the problem?

Just build the darn thing somewhere else.

54 posted on 07/30/2010 8:39:46 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: kcvl

Useful Idiots like him are as Dangerous as the Terrorists.


55 posted on 07/30/2010 8:42:13 AM PDT by divine_moment_of_facts (Give me Liberty.. or I'll get up and get it for myself!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is this satire? Has this guy been frozen in ice since 1999? His comparisons are nonsensical when he says “Should Protestant churches be banned from places where the KKK has committed murder? “. There is a fundamental difference here, the destruction of the towers was done IN THE NAME OF ISLAM!!! We also have 1500 years of muslim conquest as evidence. It’s in the Koran and so far as I know every believing muslim takes everything in the koran as the unfiltered word of allah. The book says kill infidels , that’s allah’s command , end of story.


56 posted on 07/30/2010 8:42:13 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: tgusa

Thats OK

SA I could have guessed

the K SA threw me...

Thank you for your service

:)


57 posted on 07/30/2010 8:43:44 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: kcvl

“He is currently an intern at Newsweek”

This young man has a problem.


58 posted on 07/30/2010 8:44:10 AM PDT by BlueMoose
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To: La Lydia

Well, those are good questions. Look however how liberal Romney and Reid are, I am beginning to think that mormons are not as conservative as I previously thought.


59 posted on 07/30/2010 8:44:38 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The religion of egalitarianism insist that we are all Borg. Unfortunately many on the right also drink this kool-aid.


60 posted on 07/30/2010 8:45:20 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Greymung
The whole discussion is a joke. It's private property; the owner builds what the owner wants. Period.

No noob. It doesn't work that way.

Islam is political rather than a religion. They build mosques on sites where they have a victory such as 9-11. This mosque is a political statement. Muslims have done this throughout history.

61 posted on 07/30/2010 8:45:54 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If Bam is the answer, the question was stupid.)
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To: kcvl
McKay Coppins is a writer and journalist living in New York City with his wife Annie. He is currently an intern at Newsweek,


Is it just me or does this guy look like Jarrod form the Subway commercials?

62 posted on 07/30/2010 8:46:19 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: darkwing104; Old Sarge; hellinahandcart; ovrtaxt; knighthawk; Sam Hill; hail to the chief

Sniff, sniff at post #10.


63 posted on 07/30/2010 8:47:37 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. ~Master Yoda)
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To: Greymung

Troll much ???


64 posted on 07/30/2010 8:49:53 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“BYU” - Figures.

Only the people that lost loved ones on 9-11-01 should have a say in this.
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65 posted on 07/30/2010 8:54:27 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Greymung

“The whole discussion is a joke. It’s private property; the owner builds what the owner wants. Period.”

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You’ve been living under a large rock for 70 years?

The Gestapo decides what gets built.

If you didn’t have family or loved ones in that disaster, you have no say on what gets built there.
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66 posted on 07/30/2010 8:57:41 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

You are very welcome, and thank YOU for your support.


67 posted on 07/30/2010 8:59:51 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: divine_moment_of_facts

“Useful Idiot” was the first thing I thought of too.


68 posted on 07/30/2010 9:01:56 AM PDT by MissTed (My dogs have more integrity then my president)
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To: DManA
Exactly as ‘Cordoba’ was where the Muslims erected their victory mosque in conquering Spain.

Same with Ground Zero...it is a Political Victory for Islam... and that is how they are seeing it regardless of what they are spewing to the press....they are being deceptive in every way!

69 posted on 07/30/2010 9:01:56 AM PDT by caww
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

Thanks! Long time since I’ve seen that sign. Good reminder ...


70 posted on 07/30/2010 9:02:19 AM PDT by tgusa (Investment plan: blued steel, brass, lead, copper)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Are we seriously debating whether a mainstream religion should have the right to build a house of worship?”

Phraking moron. Islam is not American, it is not mainstream and it is not religion; it is a murderous cult/political system.


71 posted on 07/30/2010 9:16:04 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Only Muslims should decide whether to build Ground Zero mosque

Just as ONLY CHRISTIANS should decide whether to build churches in Saudi Arabia. McKay, when you convince the Wahabbists to step aside and allow religious freedom over there, then let's re-engage, OK son?

72 posted on 07/30/2010 9:16:14 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Well then I’m sure the mormons will welcome a mosque in Temple Square...
73 posted on 07/30/2010 9:19:35 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("All religion ever made of me was a sinner with a rock tied to my feet" - FFH)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Are we seriously debating whether a mainstream religion should have the right to build a house of worship? "

No, because that's not the debate. Muslims have the right to build mosques in the US; they're all over the place, right now. The question is not IF they can build, but WHERE they can build. Any city has the right to decide if a building can be placed in a particular location, especially if the city owns or manages the property.

Many people, especially the families of those murdered by Islamic extremists on 9/11, believe that this is an affront to the memories of their loved ones, and a poke in the eye to America, in general. The city can decide whether or not to sell or lease the property, and they should LISTEN to the people of the city, and of the rest of the country, since the people who died on 9/11 were from all over the US, and the world.

Mayor Bloomberg should take a cue from the Russians. When someone wanted to build a mosque in Moscow, they were told that they'd be allowed to do so only AFTER a Russian Orthodox Church was built in Saudi Arabia. It is the Saudis who are funding these mosques all over the world, yet Christians are not allowed to build houses of worship in the Saudi Kingdom.

74 posted on 07/30/2010 9:19:44 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
For another, it seems unreasonable that she wants "peace-seeking Muslims" to distinguish themselves from terrorists while so many of us seem unwilling to distinguish a Mosque from a terrorist boot camp.
75 posted on 07/30/2010 9:19:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“...so many of us seem unwilling to distinguish a Mosque from a terrorist boot camp.”

Not unwilling, there isn’t much of a distinction.


76 posted on 07/30/2010 9:20:34 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Mormons are just the PICTURE of religious tolerance...NOT!

How Utah's House Bill 131 Segregates Christians and Defies the First Amendment

Rob Sivulka being hasseled by a Utah cop to move off the public sidewalk

77 posted on 07/30/2010 9:26:20 AM PDT by T Minus Four ("All religion ever made of me was a sinner with a rock tied to my feet" - FFH)
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To: svcw

place marker


78 posted on 07/30/2010 9:27:12 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One of the things that the “can't we all just get along” crowd does not understand is that once it is a Mosque it is claimed as Muslim territory FOREVER. The bombings in Spain were because Islam still considers Spain an Islamic possession.
79 posted on 07/30/2010 9:35:24 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Playing by the rules only works if both sides do it!)
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To: T Minus Four

This guy Coppins voted for Obama...


80 posted on 07/30/2010 9:45:42 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SuziQ
No, because that's not the debate. Muslims have the right to build mosques in the US; they're all over the place, right now. The question is not IF they can build, but WHERE they can build. Any city has the right to decide if a building can be placed in a particular location, especially if the city owns or manages the property.

Many people, especially the families of those murdered by Islamic extremists on 9/11, believe that this is an affront to the memories of their loved ones, and a poke in the eye to America, in general. The city can decide whether or not to sell or lease the property, and they should LISTEN to the people of the city, and of the rest of the country, since the people who died on 9/11 were from all over the US, and the world.

The problem here is that the city does not own or manage the property in question. The building in question (and the lot that it sits on) is privately owned.

I wholeheartedly agree that this mosque/"community center" should not be built. I just don't think that the government (Federal, state, or local) has the authority to decide that a particular religion (or, for that matter, a particular political movement) cannot build a building on land that it owns, simply because of the religion/political movement in question (or even because of the name of the building). The mosque is a bad thing, of course. But, I think, allowing the government to hold/wield such a power is a much worse thing.

81 posted on 07/30/2010 9:50:06 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Anti-Defamation League Comes Out Against Ground Zero Mosque

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2561835/posts?page=1


82 posted on 07/30/2010 10:00:11 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Why is that not a surprise.


83 posted on 07/30/2010 10:17:08 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: Lazamataz
Can't you be serious for even one post? I find your flippant attitude very disrespectful. Everyone knows that no one would visit a bordello that had an anthrax lab AND a nuclear weapon research lab on the same premises.
84 posted on 07/30/2010 10:18:19 AM PDT by Durus (The People have abdicated our duties and anxiously hopes for just two things, "Bread and Circuses")
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To: Tennessee Nana

The ADL position is 100% in line with my own - they say that the mosque should not be built there, but also that the Islamic group has the “right” to do so. I agree. I think we ought to pressure the Islamic group not to build there, but I don’t think the government has the authority to stop them from doing so.


85 posted on 07/30/2010 10:20:12 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Howeve3r it has been proven that mosques in America are training grounds for terrorists and that sedition and terror plots are preached and planned in them...

That is not peaceful religion...

That is against the laws and against the best interests of the sovereign country of America...


86 posted on 07/30/2010 10:24:52 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

You dont think if I had a meeting of a terrorist group in my private house that the local sheriff would not be here asking questions ???


87 posted on 07/30/2010 10:26:53 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
Unless you can prove that this mosque is a training ground for terrorists, and that sedition and terror plots are preached and planned in this mosque, the government cannot prevent them from building a house of worship simply because the house of worship is a mosque.
88 posted on 07/30/2010 10:27:05 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Break straws on camels backs much ???


89 posted on 07/30/2010 10:28:17 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Along that line of reasoning, only non-Muslims should be allowed to decide whether or not to burn it down.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

90 posted on 07/30/2010 10:29:00 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Yes, and if this mosque (which, by the way, has been holding services in the current building for several years) were to start planning terrorist attacks, the NYPD/FBI would be there asking questions.


91 posted on 07/30/2010 10:30:12 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Tennessee Nana

Yes, and if this mosque (which, by the way, has been holding services in the current building for several years) were to start planning terrorist attacks, the NYPD/FBI would be there asking questions.


92 posted on 07/30/2010 10:30:23 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Are you sure? Given what the last eighteen months have been, I doubt it.


93 posted on 07/30/2010 10:43:36 AM PDT by svcw (Real faith is always increased by opposition, false confidence is damaged & discouraged by it)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Nope — posts in support of free market capitialism only count as “trolling” when you post them on DU. Go there, and do so.


94 posted on 07/30/2010 12:44:52 PM PDT by Greymung
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To: Greymung

Noobie

Youre gonna come trolling over here to FRee Republic from whereever and accuse the children of the house of not belonging ???

The sulfur smell gets stronger...


95 posted on 07/30/2010 12:53:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Greymung

Islam is now defined as “free market capitialism” ???

Since when ???


96 posted on 07/30/2010 12:54:45 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I smell retread...


97 posted on 07/30/2010 12:59:46 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
That is not peaceful religion...

Exactly right...there should be a freeze on all mosques in the USA. Until: A) They (the wahabbist's in particular) Stop all terror B) Stop all attempts at Sharia law in the USA C) Stop all honor killings D) Stop all female genital mutilation E) Stop all attempts at the Caliphate.

If they do, then they be able to proceed (but they wont), therefore I would ban Islam in the USA.

98 posted on 07/30/2010 2:24:42 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I though it was a chick who wrote this. Looks like the LDS just trying to justify building wherever they want too.


99 posted on 07/30/2010 2:27:46 PM PDT by blasater1960 ( Dt 30, Ps 111, The Torah is perfect, attainable, now and forever)
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To: Durus; Lazamataz

‘xactly.

What’s the point of going to a bordello if you have to wear chem gear?


100 posted on 07/30/2010 3:01:38 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2009. Life begins anew.)
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