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Where was *Mary* assumed to? (Heaven is not a *Place*)
http://newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2010/08/where-was-mary-assumed-to.html ^ | August 15th, 2010

Posted on 08/15/2010 3:56:22 PM PDT by TaraP

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To: Scythian

Are you going to apologize to Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary at the moment of your death for not believing in her holiness.

The Blessed Virgin Mary is not a myth.


21 posted on 08/15/2010 4:42:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Campion
Heaven is perfect intimacy with God

Thank you. I've just had a moment.

Would that also imply that hell is complete isolation from God?

22 posted on 08/15/2010 4:43:18 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts are holding The Constitution together as the Loose Screws of The Left come undone!)
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To: FrogHawk

church ping


23 posted on 08/15/2010 4:51:56 PM PDT by toomanygrasshoppers ("In technical terminology, he's a loon")
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To: goodwithagun

First Fabrications 3:10


24 posted on 08/15/2010 4:54:47 PM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: prisoner6

Your tagline is brilliant!


25 posted on 08/15/2010 4:55:03 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Salvation

Does the Bible say that Mary was sinless?


26 posted on 08/15/2010 4:56:33 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: netmilsmom
TY!

My wife would probably disagree, LOL!

priosner6

27 posted on 08/15/2010 4:57:01 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts are holding The Constitution together as the Loose Screws of The Left come undone!)
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To: Salvation

What book describes Mary’s assumption?


28 posted on 08/15/2010 5:01:48 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Olog-hai
Furthermore, note that all words in the Bible that are translated into English as "heaven" (whether Hebrew shamayim or Greek ouranos) all mean "sky".

So Paul went up to the third sky, eh???

Also, the event described in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 is a vision and the "man in Christ" spoken of didn't actually go to the location of God's throne

Paul says whether in the body, or out of the body, he can't tell...

29 posted on 08/15/2010 5:05:57 PM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Salvation

All I am saying is the ascension of Mary isn’t in the bible, it’s a myth. This was made up due to the “Emaculate Conception” catholic doctrine which states that Mary was without sin, so they had to come up with the ascension because if she was without sin then she never would have died, the ascension is actually a relatively recent doctrine even.


30 posted on 08/15/2010 5:07:42 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: prisoner6

We all have one of those in our family.
I was sitting around a table in Cleveland this weekend when the subject of Sarah Palin came up. Everyone hated her.

When we left, my 10-year-old said, “I thought they were smarter than that.”

Nuff said.


31 posted on 08/15/2010 5:11:57 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: Salvation

Seems like the event “Queen of Heaven being assumed” and seated at the right hand of Christ would be a little more important of an event than Enoch being assumed; therefore it should be one of the major events in the book of Acts.

But it is not. She is mentioned a few times in the Gospels, once in Acts, and nowhere in the epistles. Seems like if Peter is subject to her authority he would have said something in any one of his epistles. If Paul had a vision of Christ, would he have also seen Mary at his side ... but nothing. James, Jude, nothing ... then there is John ... who became her son at the cross ... he saw a vision of Christ on the throne ... no Mary to be found.

Without Biblical evidence there can be only one conclusion ... Mariology is false doctrine propogated by false teachers whose purpose is to mystify Christian soteriology into another gospel.


32 posted on 08/15/2010 5:27:23 PM PDT by dartuser ("Palin 2012 ... nothing else will do.")
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To: Scythian
Only Christ ascended into heaven.

Repeating this: Catholics believe that Mary was assumed into heaven. That means carried in some fashion. If you were only to read of the Early Church Fathers and the accounts of the apostles about how they were all miracuously transported from all over the world to her bedside as she died.......sigh.......it's on the Daily Readings thread.

33 posted on 08/15/2010 5:29:30 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Raider Sam

Are you talking about the Bible or some other book. Please be more specific.


34 posted on 08/15/2010 5:30:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: netmilsmom

Mary was not sinless. If she was, she wouldn’t have needed a Christ.

Mary was not taken up, she died with John, and was buried.

This is more of the same pap that seeks to slowly make Mary a co-redemptrix.

It is sick, blasphemous, and utterly against all biblical understanding.

Paul mentions Mary not once. NO ONE mentions Mary outside of the first four gospels. If she is such an important person...

You would no more pray to Mary, than to any apostle, or your uncle Jim Bob.

This is why I broke with Catholicism many years ago. While there are many good Catholics, they are fed pap.

Be a disciple, have a personal relationship, thank God for all the Martyrs, and Mary for being such an upright vessel.

She is not God, she was Godly, she did not ascend, she died and will ascend with the rest of us.

EOS.


35 posted on 08/15/2010 5:33:04 PM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz (HALLELUJAH)
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To: dartuser
Sorry that you don't believe in the Bible and the references to the Blessed Virgin Mary throughout it.

Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Assumption of Mary

36 posted on 08/15/2010 5:33:23 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: 0beron

“an someone help me find King James and Pat Boone in the Bible?”

Why, they are right there next to the assumption of Mary ;)


37 posted on 08/15/2010 5:35:19 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Salvation

“So, Mary, without sin”

That’s your problem right there. The Bible says all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Mary was not granted an exception.


38 posted on 08/15/2010 5:37:08 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: panzerkamphwageneinz

Are you actually responding to me?

First, my post has nothing to do with your response.
Second, I don’t remember asking your opinion.

Thanks.


39 posted on 08/15/2010 5:37:37 PM PDT by netmilsmom (I am inyenzi on the Religion Forum)
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To: TaraP
from another thread:

Expanding on the idea of the "celestial glory" to which Mary arrived, Pope Benedict noted that people today are conscious that by "'heaven' we are not referring to just any place in the universe, to a star or something similiar" but "to something much bigger and more difficult to define with our limited human concepts.

Not as man thinks, but as God thinks.

40 posted on 08/15/2010 5:37:56 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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