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Intended Catholic Dictatorship
Independent Individualist ^ | 8/27/10 | Reginald Firehammer

Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief

Intended Catholic Dictatorship

The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.

The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).

The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

The Intentions Made Plain

The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:

"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization

"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.

"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.

"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.

"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.

Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!

In Their Own Words

The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.

[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]

Two Comments

First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.

This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.

Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.

—Reginald Firehammer (06/28/10)


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1 posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:14 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief

Any dictatorship is a bad thing. Religious ones just have a more extreme following as the followers are dong “God’s will.”


2 posted on 08/27/2010 11:48:23 AM PDT by killermedic (Git some, baby)
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To: Hank Kerchief; killermedic
Really?

Revolution And Counterrevolution was written by Plinio Correa de Oliveira - a Brazilian professor who had no authority in the Catholic Church and whose teachings are widely regarded as heretical.

He does not speak for the Church - anyone who knows what the Catholic Church is, knows that the Pope and the bishops (as a group) speak for the Church.

Not even individual bishops have authority to speak for the Church, let alone random laymen like Oliveira.

3 posted on 08/27/2010 11:53:38 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: Hank Kerchief

Does Reginald Firehammer actually know anything about “The Holy Roman Empire” or does he use it because its a wonderful coincidence that 3 left-wing buzz-word cliches can be strung together into a phrase that actually exists in the English Language?


4 posted on 08/27/2010 11:54:54 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Hank Kerchief
Look, anyone can propose anything. If you or anyone else wants to know if the head of the Vatican City State has the agenda of restoring the Holy Roman Empire or of expanding the Vatican City State to the Italian peninsula and beyond, there is an easy way to check: READ what the current Pope has said about world of politics and international relations. And you will find that the Pope has absolutely no plans to extend the sovereignty of the Vatican City State over broader territory.

But don't let the facts get in the way: go ahead and read some Bat-Sh*t crazy person and get all wee-wee'd up.

5 posted on 08/27/2010 11:55:41 AM PDT by Remole
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To: Hank Kerchief

I like how they think they are “The Church”.


6 posted on 08/27/2010 11:56:20 AM PDT by stockpirate ("......When the government fears the people you have liberty." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Hank Kerchief
You also link to Nicholas Gruner's "America Needs Fatima".

The apostolic nuncio for the United States (the Pope's ambassador to the US), has publicly declared that Gruner is not a Catholic in good standing and that he is suspended from public ministry. He has not had clerical faculties for more than 30 years.

7 posted on 08/27/2010 11:57:06 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Don’t stop him with facts, he’s on a roll.
Bigotry and hatred against Catholics, it’s been missing from FR for a day or two. It was due.

Just watch the flies gather for the poop. A few have arrived already.


8 posted on 08/27/2010 12:00:04 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: Hank Kerchief

Is Reginald Firehammer a real person or is he a creation to make anti-Catholics look stupid?


9 posted on 08/27/2010 12:00:15 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: Hank Kerchief
You also link to a site calling itself "RealCatholicTV."

This site is not affiliated with the Catholic Church in any way, and the presenters openly reject the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

In other words, you are using three non-Catholic sources to slander the Catholic Church.

10 posted on 08/27/2010 12:00:36 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Hank Kerchief

I’m not a Catholic and I only have one question: IBTZ?


11 posted on 08/27/2010 12:04:18 PM PDT by Ingtar (If Washington and his peers had been RINOs, we would still be a British colony.)
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To: Hank Kerchief
Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.

Does this mean that evangelical Christians do not seek to structure all human relations, institutions and the state itself according to their doctrine? If not, then why are so many so busy fighting about which candidate will do just that? Are evangelicals trying to reform society and the State after their own faith actually totalitarians?

12 posted on 08/27/2010 12:06:44 PM PDT by cothrige
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To: Hank Kerchief

Catholics are definitely taking over America. I can see it all around me. And they are headquartered in Spring Grove PA 17362

Their leader is Robert.

Robert Ritchie.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/01255099011195090367

A blogger no less!


13 posted on 08/27/2010 12:10:34 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT ("pray without ceasing" - Paul of Tarsus)
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To: Hank Kerchief

Delusional bilge.


14 posted on 08/27/2010 12:11:48 PM PDT by piytar (Those who never learned that peace and freedom are rare will be taught by reality.)
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To: Hank Kerchief

Hey who gave away the plot!!!! That durn Dan Brown he stirred up the pot and now our plans for world domination have been ferretted out!!! DANG IT!!!


15 posted on 08/27/2010 12:14:30 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Hank Kerchief

Dung


16 posted on 08/27/2010 12:15:28 PM PDT by kanawa (Obama - "The only people who don't want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.")
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To: Hank Kerchief

Drats. You figured out our scheme. If it wasn’t for you meddling kids...

Well back to the drawing board.

((insert evil laugh here))


17 posted on 08/27/2010 12:15:52 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: vladimir998

Come now they don’t need to create a persona in order to look stupid.


18 posted on 08/27/2010 12:16:55 PM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Hank Kerchief

This is someone’s warped idea to equate Roman Catholicism with Islam. I would bet they took an article about Islam and replaced “Islamic Worldwide Caliphate” with “Catholic Dictatorship” and “Islam” with “Roman Catholic”, etc.

They are making a false analogy, don’t fall for accepting the premise.


19 posted on 08/27/2010 12:18:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: wideawake; Hank Kerchief
[RealCatholicTV] openly reject the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Huh?!? Where? When? That's a slander of a good faithful group.

And they rescinded the video in question in this blog post and apologized for its erroneous content.

From their website:

Some Clarity 08-18: The Catholic Government Vortex requires an apology and clarification. This is it.

20 posted on 08/27/2010 12:21:27 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Hank Kerchief

So how much did the Muzzies pay you to post this?

Christianity and theocracy are mutually incompatible, and this has been the experience since the dawn of Christianity. Calvin tried to establish a theocracy in Geneva - and it failed. The Puritans tried to establish one here - and it failed.

A theocracy is where the religious law and the civil law are the same, and the state is governed by the clergy. The only group that does this is Islam (Mormonism would have done it, but the US Army knocked that out of them).

State churches are churches that the state approves for its official functions and as the official recorder of civil acts (marriages and burials, primarily), and are not a good thing. But at least the Catholic Church never appointed a secular ruler as leader of the church, as the Anglicans did with Henry VIII. Being a state church undermines the church and is one of the reasons the Lutherans were never able to fight back against Hitler very effectively.

But it still acknowledges the fact that the Church and the State are two separate entities. Mosque and State are one and the same.


21 posted on 08/27/2010 12:22:07 PM PDT by livius
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To: Hank Kerchief
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.

This Catholic would love to set Reginald straight on this issue.

Though I think Mr. Firehammer is full of prune juice, I can foresee something akin to the Holy Roman Empire stirring back to life if (and only if) the secular world remains supine in the face of aggressive Islamic expansion.

And of course, the western world would probably fear the Catholics more than the Caliphate on their doorstep. Perhaps they *should* be fearful. After all, we do have the Holy Hand Grenade.

;-)

22 posted on 08/27/2010 12:26:41 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
That's a slander of a good faithful group.

A "good, faithful group" would never put that kind of garbage up in the first place.

They're sorry because they were caught.

Despite your protestations, you cannot legitimately claim that these individuals have any authority to speak for the Church. They simply do not.

Moreover, I find it fascinating that this "good, faithful group" does not provide the names and qualifications of any actual people on their site.

23 posted on 08/27/2010 12:31:24 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Hank Kerchief

Hi again, Hank. How are things in atheist-ville? I hope you’re well and doing fine. :)


24 posted on 08/27/2010 12:31:33 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: wideawake
You also link to a site calling itself "RealCatholicTV." This site is not affiliated with the Catholic Church in any way, and the presenters openly reject the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. In other words, you are using three non-Catholic sources to slander the Catholic Church.

Bingo! Anyone can call themselves "Catholic" but that doesn't mean they follow the tenets of the Church. Take, for example, Pelosi, Kennedys, Kerry, etc.

25 posted on 08/27/2010 12:37:22 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Charles Martel
After all, we do have the Holy Hand Grenade.

Dude! Loose lips sink ships! Now everybody will know!

26 posted on 08/27/2010 12:39:48 PM PDT by choirboy
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To: IrishCatholic

A big steamy pile of poop at that.


27 posted on 08/27/2010 12:40:10 PM PDT by Catholic Canadian
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To: Hank Kerchief

Awwww....are they all out of Troll food where you come from?

I don’t have any either. Try a nice mosque.

*Don’t bet on the ham though.


28 posted on 08/27/2010 12:40:37 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: PGR88

“Does Reginald Firehammer actually know anything about “The Holy Roman Empire” or does he use it because its a wonderful coincidence that 3 left-wing buzz-word cliches can be strung together into a phrase that actually exists in the English Language?”

He uses it because it is the phrase used throughout the Catholic Encyclopedia, such as:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03048a.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12495a.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05730b.htm

...and hundreds of more times.

If you think it is a bad phrase, perhaps you should let them know.

Hank


29 posted on 08/27/2010 12:43:02 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: lastchance

I still can’t understand how some ignore the deadly power of albino monk assassins.

Freegards


30 posted on 08/27/2010 12:43:23 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: livius

“So how much did the Muzzies pay you to post this?”

All the quotes are from Catholic sites, and all the links are to Catholic sites. If you have a problem with the content, perhaps you should address the above question to them.

Hank


31 posted on 08/27/2010 12:45:53 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it.

Sure it does.

Try "homosexuality is fundamentally disordered" or "marriage is between one man and one woman" in a public setting or try saying a prayer out loud in a public school and you'll see how far your wet dream is from reality in this country.

We live under a secular humanist dictatorship which actively persecutes Christian morality and will do so increasingly as time passes. There are certain things which most definitely can not be said in public in the US in 2010.

Instead of fretting about the Holy Roman Empire which has about as much chance of returning as Babe Ruth has of suiting up for the Red Sox, you might want to give a thought to the coming marginalization and persecution of Christians in this country. That's the real issue.

This is a total non issue and a straw man.

32 posted on 08/27/2010 12:50:05 PM PDT by marshmallow ("A country which kills its own children has no future" -Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“And they rescinded the video in question in this blog post and apologized for its erroneous content.”

It would be very helpful if you could provide a link to the actual apology. Your link only goes to the site.

Thanks for the comment.

Hank


33 posted on 08/27/2010 12:50:17 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief

The church also mentions eunuchs.

*Cue scary music as all male non-Catholic freepers cover their...


34 posted on 08/27/2010 12:50:25 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: wideawake

“you are using three non-Catholic sources”

Err... do you mean they are not Catholics? They seem to think they are Catholics. Other Catholics seem to think so to. Why would they have those sites if they are not Catholics. I think I’ll take their own word for what they over what you say they are.

Hank


35 posted on 08/27/2010 12:53:32 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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DNFTT


36 posted on 08/27/2010 12:56:47 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: Hank Kerchief

To the author of the Declaration of Independence, meanwhile, Catholics represented a profound threat to the fledgling American republic.

“History furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government,” Thomas Jefferson wrote. “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.”


37 posted on 08/27/2010 12:58:32 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Communities regularly fight the construction projects, Walmarts Starbucks and even tree removal.)
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To: Remole

“If you or anyone else wants to know if the head of the Vatican City State has the agenda of restoring the Holy Roman... READ what the current Pope has said.”

I’m quite sure there are no such intentions, but I’m also quite sure if there were, the Pope would not be writing them down for the world to read.

Hank


38 posted on 08/27/2010 1:03:40 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
He uses it because it is the phrase used throughout the Catholic Encyclopedia, such as: ...and hundreds of more times. If you think it is a bad phrase, perhaps you should let them know.

What???? - the "Holy Roman Empire" did exist, but how exactly does the fact that it is cited in a Catholic Encyclopedia mean the Pope is on a mission to create a Catholic Dictatorship????

39 posted on 08/27/2010 1:04:11 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Hank Kerchief
They seem to think they are Catholics.

If you do not accept the teaching of the Second Vatican Council, if you do not accept the teaching of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and if you do not acknowledge the Pope's teaching authority - well, you can call yourself whatever you want, but you're still not a Catholic.

That's not how it works.

I think I’ll take their own word for what they over what you say they are.

Brilliant statement.

Hank Kerchief, I am the Emperor of North America and I am royally assessing you a fine of $10,000.

If anyone says that I am not the Emperor of North America and that you do not owe me any money, remember: you have to take my word for what I say I am over anyone who would contradict me.

40 posted on 08/27/2010 1:05:56 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

“He [Plinio Correa de Oliveira] does not speak for the Church ...”

The there is nothing in the article that says he does; but, he certainly speaks for himself as a Catholic, and for all those Catholics who agree with him.

Hank


41 posted on 08/27/2010 1:06:00 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: Hank Kerchief
he certainly speaks for himself as a Catholic, and for all those Catholics who agree with him

He was not a Catholic, he was a heretic who allowed his small group of followers to teach that his (Oliveira's) mother was a quasi-divine being and that he himself was a divine being (known as "The Axiological Principle").

Oliveira was, putting it mildly, a troubled individual.

But why stop at Oliveira?

There is a guy who lives in his mom's basement in Delia, KS named David Bawden. But he claims that he is Pope Michael I and that Benedict XVI is an impostor.

Why not cite him as a source, too?

42 posted on 08/27/2010 1:14:31 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Hank Kerchief

I’m holding out for the Holy Baptist Empire to be headquartered in Tulsa, Oklahoma.


43 posted on 08/27/2010 1:20:57 PM PDT by marron
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To: Hank Kerchief

Actually I am interested in why the Catholic Church is both a political system, with its own sovereign state, ambassadors, political leader, etc. and a religious system, with the same leader as its political leader. The only reason I can see is they want both political power and religious power in the world. WHich is exactly what Islam has.


44 posted on 08/27/2010 1:26:09 PM PDT by smvoice (smvoice- formally known as small voice in the wilderness. Easier on the typing!)
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To: Hank Kerchief

“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord,we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences. For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them that glory in appearance, and not in heart. For whether we be be side ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause. For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that He died for all, that they which live not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we Him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to Himself by jesus Christ, and hath given us the ministry of reconciliation; To wit God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconcilation. Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God. For He (God) hath made Him (Jesus Christ) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Corinthians 5:10-21)


45 posted on 08/27/2010 1:36:40 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonyous)
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To: Hank Kerchief

Catholic monarchists are a bunch of loonies.

But still, they’re talking about a state church and not a theocracy.

The Protestants were the only ones who were really big on theocracy. Look at Calvin. Look at the English Puritans who overran the Anglicans (members of the state church). And it didn’t work for them either.


46 posted on 08/27/2010 1:39:44 PM PDT by livius
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To: marshmallow

“Instead of fretting about the Holy Roman Empire which has about as much chance of returning as Babe Ruth has of suiting up for the Red Sox, you might want to give a thought to the coming marginalization and persecution of Christians in this country. That’s the real issue.”

I have.

Defending Christianity and Christians:

http://usabig.com/iindv/articles_stand/objectivism/three_books.php

Opposing the normalization of homosexuality

http://usabig.com/atnmst/jrnl_ii.php?art=108

Hank


47 posted on 08/27/2010 1:41:18 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: smvoice

It is not a political system. Like any other church, even down to the Unitarians, the Catholic Church has its own internal laws and its moral laws.

The Catholic Church has never been the same as the civil ruler, and in fact, the reason that many Catholics died was because of the conflicts between the civil ruler and Church authorities.

Henry VIII tried to establish himself as both the civil and religious ruler, but that didn’t work because Christianity can’t work that way, so all he really did was make Anglicanism the state church with the king or queen of England as its head.

The Catholic Church has NO civil power. The only place it has any power is the Vatican, which is a tiny fictional state composed mainly of a handful of clergy and religious that was set up to defend Catholic sites - such as St Peter’s Basilica - from secular powers that were trying to absorb or even destroy them.


48 posted on 08/27/2010 1:44:29 PM PDT by livius
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To: wideawake

“you have to take my word for what I say”

Well, no, I don’t have to take anyone’s word about anything. I chose to take their word about what they believe they are over what you believe they are.

If you don’t see any difference between someone saying what their religion is and someone saying they are Emperor or North America, I think you have a problem.

Hank


49 posted on 08/27/2010 1:49:41 PM PDT by Hank Kerchief
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To: wideawake; Emperor_Norton
Does the Emperor of these United States, Norton the First, know that you are claiming his title?

;)

Wow, nice to know that the loons I encounter elsewhere are just as loony about Catholicism as they are about science!

50 posted on 08/27/2010 1:52:38 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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