Wrinkles the Clown serves [adults] Communion at Westminster Presbyterian Church.
Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
“The YOPIOS crowd seems to operate under the assumption that every sect that was ever declared heretical by the Catholic Church was really just a group of oppressed Protestants...”
What’s laughable is that every point in Christianity from Christ’s nature and so forth right on to the Trinity, they owe to the Catholic Church, to the Fathers and to the Counsils.
The “ancient Baptists” or “Roman Unitarians” didn’t exist.
A lot of their current misinformation is due to the re-writing of the history of Constantine’s reign to infer that he suppressed all the Christians who went underground at some point and resurfaced in the 17th and 18th century.
What kind of Presbyterian? There are several distinct groups. 12,540
Not comparing locations but comparing varying beliefs as stated by your church.
Again:
Video of Clown Communion Service [for adults], Wrinkles & Doolotz at the Westminster Presbyterian Church in Portland, OR., 1999.
By all means, go first, or stop demanding to know. The Catholics think they can say “Catholic, now you,” but as we all know now, you have sects that run the gamut and will never admit to it. “One church”, what a farce
What are you church’s equivalent to creeds and catechism, statement of beliefs, etc?
Yours?
Wrinkles the Clown serves [adults] Communion at Westminster Presbyterian Church.
quit trolling
Kosta and I have touched on this, if somewhat obliquely at times. For a long time, I kept the Augustine tagline which affirms the authority of the Church. The OT is full of prophets who felt abandoned by God and cried out in their anguish. That, however is perfectly acceptable to the Reformed, because they don't really care. It doesn't matter. All that matters is their anti Catholicism. But let Mother Teresa have those same doubts and feelings of abandonment, at about the same level, and they all pile on and comment on how pagan and unChristian and how unsaved she obviously is.
I don’t see asking what someone’s church believes as trolling.
Why would someone not proudly state their church’s beliefs, confession, creed, catechism…?
This illustrates the gulf between the children of the Reformation and Christianity. Christians believe that Christ died to save us from eternal death. That is the difference between the one and the other.
Christ is the Lord God Almighty, not Bozo Joe from two doors down that you swap beers with on Sunday afternoons watching football on TV.
I see that you have captured first the essence of Calvinism, and then the essence of Pentecostalism.
Oh, Lord. That third one has got to be Pentecostal UFO cult, right?
A good summation. Have you ever been a courtroom attorney?
Do you presume to speak for God? Where are your credentials? If you have none, then we may consider you a Simon Magus, opportunist and grifter.
We go to church because we want to
Yeah? That's a good reason? The Bible is full of peoples' wants. What happens tomorrow if you don't want to?
We don't consider missing a church service a mortal sin. THAT is freedom in Christ, not slavery to an institution.
This is not Christianity; this is the individualized LaZBoy Chair that Iscool has so eloquently described to us. It is the freedom of Martin Luther's every milkmaid to write her own theology and believe her own religion.
This is what Jesus, Paul, Peter and John so vehemently warned against, and which is the basis for the Protestant Reformation.
There really are remedial reading classes available.
Man up, Quix. The lady did and you have not.
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