Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Christ ascended into Heaven through His own Power.
The Blessed Mother was assumed into Heaven by our Lord through His own Power.
Where’s the Scripture that states that Mary was born without sin?
Genesis chapter 3 and Luke chapter 1.
Why was it necessary?
So that God was carried in an immaculate vessel.
Why couldn’t/wouldn’t God do that for the rest of the human race then?
Read the first three chapters of Genesis. He could have, He tried to, man failed.
If God could do it for Mary who was born of sinful parents, then He could have done it for Jesus even though He was born of a sinful woman.
He wasn't doing for Mary, He was doing it for Himself.
"Blessed AMONG women" means ALL women. For the Blessed Mother to be conceived in sin would make the mother of God INFERIOR to the mother of Cain.
So the Baltimore Catechism and papal enclycicals are not “official church doctrine?”
lolol.
That screeching you hear is the frantic back-pedaling of RC apologists who cannot defend their faith from the Scriptures nor from “official church doctrine.”
For those who accept Paul as an apostle)
There is no point after Christ for anyone not to taste of death and be raised a quickened spirit. In fact, one has to die to be resurrected. The only way for Mary to get out of it is for her to be called pre-existent and the firstborn of every creature. She is not, Christ is, and He died and was resurrected for reasons
16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
17And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
29Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
30And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
31I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
32If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.
33Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.
34Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.
40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Honey comes from the mouth parts of the bee.
My Dad is the bee expert. Not me.
I have read otherwise.
What do I know.
LOL
You used the term RECENT speculation.
What a great example of misunderstanding life and salvation.
Always with the personal attacks.
The assumption of Mary bodily into heaven teaches that this act was possible because Mary was supposedly born, lived and died sinless.
And that is blasphemy by imparting divine characteristics and abilities to the creature when they belong to God alone.
Again, does your sect teach that Adam and Eve were divine at Creation?
When the Orthodox consider themselves Protestant, you be sure to tell them. Do you think we've forgotten your statement? You wrote...
There are a great many Protestants who actually recognize the Assumption/Dormition of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Yes, that is true. Are you aware that there are far more Protestants out there then just the 27,000 members of your sect? There really are Protestants who celebrate the Marian feasts. These are the Protestants who actually worship God and not the twisted teachings of hyper-Calvinism.
Christ died for Mary. To deny this is in essence to deny the resurrection. there is no scripture anywhere that says “it is appointed for some to die”, or “some must die and be quickened”. Mary’s bodily assumption denies the resurrection and lessens Christ’s sacrifice, but maybe that’s the idea
Be sure to alert us when and if this ever happens.
Eisegesis is the approach to Bible interpretation where the interpreter tries to "force" the Bible to mean something that fits their preexisting belief or understanding of a particular issue or doctrine.
lol. Copying someone else's definition is never a good idea if you can't support it yourself.
But more importantly, I used the word "Exegesis." You apparently think that's synonymous with "Eisegesis."
You're wrong. Educate yourself.
This is worth repeating
We search the Scriptures and rightly divide the word to learn what is true. As Augustine said, “In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things, charity.”
And the vast majority of Protestants are unified in the most important doctrines of Christianity — that men are saved by God’s grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone.
Protestants believe that. Roman Catholics don’t. In fact, Rome disbelieves that so much it anathematizes anyone who does believe it.
Your statement shows just how little you actually know about the Church and its workings. The pity is that when you reach the end of your knowledge you just make stuff up.
The Baltimore Catechism is a simple elementary school primer on the Catholic Dogma developed in the 19th century. It is not now and never was the actual Catechism of the Catholic Church. If you are relying on it as your authoritative source it explains your second grade approach to Catholic dogma.
Encyclicals and Papal letters, not issued ex cathedra, are not Catholic doctrine. English translations of them are rarely accurate.
Miscellaneous papers and articles are just that.
That is among the most absurd things I've ever heard, where did you learn such nonsense?
from you
You say that like it is a bad thing. Excommunication says you shall have no further dealings with the Church. Anathematization says the Church shall have nothing more to do with you. If you reject the teaching of the Church it really isn't any skin off of your nose, now is it?
Umm, the dogma doesn't say anything about whether she died or not. It plainly states that she was taken up into Heaven body and soul. If you took the time to read Pius XII's document, it gives several indications that she did die.
If that's what you believe, fine. It doesn't make it right, I just really don't care what you believe.
Let's face it, this thread was started by a leftist TROLL who was banned for being a TROLL and his essay is based on a complete misunderstanding of history.
Now, thousands of posts later, we have a bunch of non-Catholics who believe that the most important tenet of their faith is that they don't believe what Catholics believe. Being an anti-Catholic makes someone a bigot, not a Christian. There are more than a few anti-Catholics on this thread who make well over 90% of their posts on anti-Catholic threads, they aren't Christians, they are agents of Satan, they are known by their fruits.
Pius’ opinion is just that, pius’ opinion
More accurately some Catholics believed in the Bodily Assumption of Mary and some disagreed.
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