Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Christianity is all explained by the Gospels, start there.
Well........the fact that Constantine lived and died a pagan while still having effective control over the, yet to be named, Catholic Church is cause for concern.
I keep asking for proofs and you keep coming up with repetitions of this stuff. You have no proofs, otherwise, I believe that you would have posted them.
It is true that Constantine added much more to the Catholic Church after his death with the FORGED Donation of Constantine.
Constantine added to the Church after his death? Quite a feat. Do you claim deity, perhaps equality with God, with this as a proof?
Not at all. I frequently cut & paste. I do call attention to errors, deliberate or not, in the information.
Let me repeat:
"catholic" was used as an adjective, not a proper noun.
There was no proper noun Catholic when they were written.
Thank you for unwittingly proving my point. Direct word for word translators never work. They are inherently incapable of differentiating between ramjet and sheep spray.
There is only one explanation; the "many educated Catholics" are either ignorant or lying.
Only if you have the secret Reformed decoder ring, the Reformed passwords, the Reformed handshakes, the Reformed assurance of salvation and the Reformed sneer at the reprobates and the 'gentiles'. Hmm they are sounding more and more like Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery and Brigham Young and Sidney Rigdon. Only the Reformed, the OSAS crowd and the Mormons have imposed their will upon God for their own salvation.
Are you an "it"?
Come on, Reg, if you want to be taken seriously you are going to have to put on your big boy pants and act like an adult. My granddaughter is wittier than that and she only two and a half.
Gosh, gee, and golly, you aren't suggesting the writings of Saint Augustine are used selectively by the Catholic Church are you?
I'm not aware of any person posting on this thread who displays a "hatred" of Mary.
Certainly you are not too cowardly to post names and references.
The Greek word katholikos(”universal” or “general”)pertained to those of one belief,not many divided beliefs in the time period of the Church Fathers,thus makes no difference weather it’s a small “k” or capitol “K”. The Arians and other heretics were condemned for NOT following the katholikos or “K”atholikos Church teaching.
Oh, you mean, take YOUR interpretation of the Bible, take YOUR interpretation over the magesterium of the Catholic Church?
Not likely.
And how do Catholics KNOW it is the ORIGINAL intent?
It is by faith alone ... faith in a man called pa pa
Are you suggesting that Augustine was adding to the Revealed Word and should have been taken without question?
OReg was wrong about Augustine and solo scripture.
Here is a repost of my response to OReg
From Blessed Augustine...
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1102054.htm
As to those other things which we hold on the authority, NOT of Scripture, but of TRADITION, and which are observed throughout the whole world, it may be understood that they are held as approved and instituted either by the apostles themselves, or by plenary Councils, whose authority in the Church is most useful, e.g. the annual commemoration, by special solemnities, of the Lord’s passion, resurrection, and ascension, and of the descent of the Holy Spirit from heaven, and whatever else is in like manner observed by the whole Church wherever it has been established.
We know from the Holy Spirit through Apostolic Tradition. How deficient a church must be to not have this and be forced to rely on the likes of French shysters and fat ex-priests.
. Only a Catholic could have such a question! Based on the promises in God’s word, and the assurance that the Holy Spirit gives us.
The only assurance that God gives us is conditional. He promises the offering of His Grace to all men, He wishes all men to be saved, and yet even with the Grace that He gives to us, some men reject that inheritance (aka Prodigal Son) and never return. Those who spurn salvation and the conditions attached, are not saved. We must be righteous to Him, as righteous as our human selves assisted by the Spirit can be.
Matthew 21:. 33 26 "Hear another parable. There was a landowner who planted a vineyard, 27 put a hedge around it, dug a wine press in it, and built a tower. Then he leased it to tenants and went on a journey. 34 When vintage time drew near, he sent his servants 28 to the tenants to obtain his produce. 35 But the tenants seized the servants and one they beat, another they killed, and a third they stoned. 36 Again he sent other servants, more numerous than the first ones, but they treated them in the same way. 37 Finally, he sent his son to them, thinking, 'They will respect my son.' 38 29 But when the tenants saw the son, they said to one another, 'This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and acquire his inheritance.' 39 30 They seized him, threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40 What will the owner of the vineyard do to those tenants when he comes?" 41 They answered 31 him, "He will put those wretched men to a wretched death and lease his vineyard to other tenants who will give him the produce at the proper times."
If we do not give God the produce that He demands, we will suffer an eternal wretched death.
Acts 18: 5 When Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia, Paul began to occupy himself totally with preaching the word, testifying to the Jews that the Messiah was Jesus. 6 When they opposed him and reviled him, he shook out his garments 2 and said to them, "Your blood be on your heads! I am clear of responsibility. From now on I will go to the Gentiles."
Acts 13: 45 When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy and with violent abuse contradicted what Paul said. 46 Both Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of God be spoken to you first, but since you reject it and condemn yourselves as unworthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles. 12
Acts 26:17 I shall deliver you from this people and from the Gentiles to whom I send you, 18 to open their eyes 5 that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may obtain forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who have been consecrated by faith in me.' 19 "And so, King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision. 20 On the contrary, first to those in Damascus and in Jerusalem and throughout the whole country of Judea, and then to the Gentiles, I preached the need to repent and turn to God, and to do works giving evidence of repentance.
Matthew 7: 1 1 2 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged. 2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. 3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? 5 You hypocrite, 3 remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye. 6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs, 4 or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces. 7 "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. 9 Which one of you would hand his son a stone when he asks for a loaf of bread, 5 10 or a snake when he asks for a fish? 11 If you then, who are wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give good things to those who ask him. 12 6 "Do to others whatever you would have them do to you. This is the law and the prophets.
If you are wicked and spurn God, you will be spurned by Him at your Judgement.
Matthew 26: 31 14 "When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit upon his glorious throne, 32 and all the nations 15 will be assembled before him. And he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will place the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 Then the king will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father. Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me.' 37 Then the righteous 16 will answer him and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you ill or in prison, and visit you?' 40 And the king will say to them in reply, 'Amen, I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41 17 Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.' 44 18 Then they will answer and say, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?' 45 He will answer them, 'Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.' 46 And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Nothing here about assurance of salvation or OSAS or the mythical selected elite elect. Just the final Judgement of all men and the criteria that they will be Judged by.
I'm in a snarky mood today, we had to put our chief cat to sleep on Sunday, it's cold outside and what I really want to do is kick someone until he's down and then kick him again. What a lovely person I am sometimes... bleh. Forgive me if I get rude here:
The Church grew up. I am the same person I was 40 years ago but I do things I could not do then, I don't look like what I looked like then, I understand things in ways I didn't understand them then... I grew up. In the same way there are many things about our own nation that are different than they were 200 years ago, many things people would like to change and while we may say "This is not the America I grew up in" that doesn't mean there's some other America somewhere else or that we can divorce ourselves from our country and go start another one while claiming to be "real America"(tm).
People complain "oh, the early Church did this or the early Church did that"... well, yeah, and I used to need a diaper and I used to need training wheels and I used to need permission to cross the street and on and on and on. That certainly doesn't mean that the early Church was defective and now we've arrived anymore than it means that there was something wrong with me when I was two or three or nine or fifteen... It just means I did what was appropriate to my own development.
The Church has to develop, always under the direction of God. Should we bust up large congregations and meet in secret because conditions dictated that for the early Church? Should each town only have one congregation because that's the way they did it then? I don't know how you reconcile the two ways of doing things to current conditions though...
But beyond that: when you're the only game in town you refer to yourself (and others refer to you) in a generic sense. In a small town, "he's the doctor". When an herbalist moves into town and starts saying "I'm a doctor too" people may well say "no, he is the Doctor, we don't know what the heck you are... witch." "Call the Doctor" becomes a definite distinction meant to exclude the new guy. "doc" may still be "doc" to his friends but whenever the new-age guru enters the conversation "doc" becomes "Doctor Smith... (and not the freaky hippie)".
Yeah, well don't get too comfortable. It won't be that long before you need all of those things again.....
Stated correctly the Bible never refers to "private interpretation" of Scripture.
2 Peter 1:
20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,
21 because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
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