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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.


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1 posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:37 PM PDT by Gamecock
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To: greyfoxx39; Elsie; Quix; Colofornian; Tennessee Nana

Ping


2 posted on 08/31/2010 6:45:14 PM PDT by Gamecock (To see both the love of God and the wrath of God, look at the cross- Terry Johnson)
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To: Gamecock

I just want my money back and illegals extracted. The rightgeous will always win out.


3 posted on 08/31/2010 6:46:24 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Gamecock

Cut it out, dude. Get your eyes on the prize and off the MSM talking points.


4 posted on 08/31/2010 6:46:43 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Gamecock

Lets try to keep focused on the immediate problem here - saving the USA from the godless iconoclasts & marxists - can we?


5 posted on 08/31/2010 6:46:55 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Gamecock

“I am no Bigot, I will pray with any man”

-Samuel Adams


6 posted on 08/31/2010 6:48:37 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: Gamecock

Good grief. I don’t think Glenn asked anyone to pray to his Mormon god.


7 posted on 08/31/2010 6:48:37 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: Gamecock

200 posts, minimum on this one...


8 posted on 08/31/2010 6:49:01 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: barmag25

Agreed. Touche!


9 posted on 08/31/2010 6:50:31 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: Gamecock

If you think Glenn’s God is not your God take Glenn’s message to mean get close to your God and still teach the founding principles of liberty, faith, hope and charity.

This guys just another “I won’t listen to anything Beck says because he’s a Mormon” bigot in my book.


10 posted on 08/31/2010 6:50:56 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: barmag25

AUTHOR OF THE DECLARATION OF AMERICAN INDEPENDENCE

OF THE STATUTE OF VIRGINIA FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM

AND FATHER OF THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA

Words on the tombstone of Thomas Jefferson as per his wish.


11 posted on 08/31/2010 6:52:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Gamecock

What a small man the pastor is.


12 posted on 08/31/2010 6:52:47 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Gamecock

I’m curious; if there is but one God then how the heck can Beck be praying to a “different” god?


13 posted on 08/31/2010 6:53:03 PM PDT by Tucsonican
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To: Gamecock

Well I know Glenn believes in God and he stated last week he believes in Jesus dying on the Cross. I haven’t heard what he believes concerning the Holy Spirit.


14 posted on 08/31/2010 6:53:28 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: Gamecock

Now I remember why I stopped going to “””Christian””” Churches...

To quote Samuel Adams...”I am no bigot, I will pray with any man”

We have more immediate and pressing problems than which version of the bible is read.

Watch the FLAME war begin..and stuff my box with your concerns over my SOUL ... don’t effing bother!!!


15 posted on 08/31/2010 6:53:54 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Enough of Obama's Recovery ... Can I have my Bush Recession Back??)
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To: barmag25

There ya go!!!


16 posted on 08/31/2010 6:54:27 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Hanoi Boi" Kerry tops wealthiest lawmakers at $188.6 million! "Berthers" Rule!)
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To: Gamecock

Thx for the ping. Some good points well made, imho.


17 posted on 08/31/2010 6:55:17 PM PDT by Quix (C THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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To: Gamecock
I suppose this person could not of stood with many of the founding fathers since their religious beliefs were so different Jefferson who edited the bible to fit what he thought should of been in there to George Washington being a Mason.
18 posted on 08/31/2010 6:56:40 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tucsonican

Because Glen is praying to a God who doesn’t exist.

I like Mormons. I think they are fine people but their beliefs are really out there.


19 posted on 08/31/2010 6:56:53 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Gamecock

So???

Who really gives a flip?


20 posted on 08/31/2010 6:57:19 PM PDT by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!(FR #1690))
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To: gwilhelm56

I agree with you. The left has learned the lesson of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. Too many on the right need to learn the same lesson. We can quibble about flags and uniforms after the battle.


21 posted on 08/31/2010 6:57:19 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: gwilhelm56
Now I remember why I stopped going to “””Christian””” Churches...

Join the club...these 'Beck Bashers' must all be MSNBC employees...they want Beck taken down by any means necessary...

22 posted on 08/31/2010 6:57:30 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: barmag25

You will pray with any man, but would you pray to any god?


23 posted on 08/31/2010 6:58:04 PM PDT by Egg (It's a Keynesian thing; we wouldn't understand.)
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To: Gamecock

Why did you post both of this “pastor’s” little blurbs in two different posts? Seems like one is more than enough. Just curious.


24 posted on 08/31/2010 6:58:05 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: ReneeLynn

The prize is not an earthly election or even the temporal salvation of a nation.

Philippians 3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.


25 posted on 08/31/2010 7:00:03 PM PDT by streetpreacher (Arminian by birth, Calvinist by the grace of God)
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To: gwilhelm56

You made a good point.

This pastor was signalling more to Glenn haters than to Glenn.


26 posted on 08/31/2010 7:00:23 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: Gamecock
I couldn't attend but I wish I had been there. My God is his God and I'm a Catholic. Does this Pastor pray to another Deity?

Who can find fault with the absolutely awesome event last Saturday? I have watched two of Glenn's evening programs regarding the Aug. 28 event and a video. It was so awe inspiring.

27 posted on 08/31/2010 7:00:23 PM PDT by mia
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To: Tucsonican

In India worshipers pray to thousands of gods.


28 posted on 08/31/2010 7:02:02 PM PDT by doc1019 (Martyrdom is a great thing, until it is your turn.)
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To: Gamecock
People need to put their religious differences on hold for just a little bit, and focus on the issues that we can agree are necessary to save this country.

The electorate is responding in a strongly unified voice against ObamaScare, Cap&Tax, and the generally communist and dangerous direction of the Obama, Pelosi, and Reid agenda.

Nitpicking against each other over trivial religious garbage is a luxury we cannot afford.

29 posted on 08/31/2010 7:03:14 PM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Gamecock

This post will not last long, and does not deserve to.

I am not Mormon, but Mormon bashing is not allowed here.

It is really stupid to go off on these rants, besides, Beck is doing a great job of carrying the battle against the enemy now.


30 posted on 08/31/2010 7:04:00 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: Gamecock

How many times is this thing going to be posted?? sheesh


31 posted on 08/31/2010 7:06:01 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Gamecock
I realize that according to your deterministic beliefs that you were destined from eternity to post what you just did.

How wonderful that God in his infinite wisdom decided that you should post a singularly unhelpful essay.

Your guess is as good as mine as to why He would want you to breed religious dissension on a political web site, but it is said that He works in mysterious ways.

32 posted on 08/31/2010 7:06:01 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Tucsonican
What God do Muslims pray to?

Can you be a God in mormonism?

Good questions.........

33 posted on 08/31/2010 7:06:34 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Obama's heart is blacker than the Devils riding boots..........)
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To: Gamecock
You know that Thomas Jefferson guy? He was a filthy Deist!!!!! I say we throw out the whole damn polluted, corrupt, deceiving Declaration of Independence thing and go back to British rule!

[/sarcasm]

I am about as Fundamental as it gets, and even I can see the Devil striving to stop this in it's tracks.

Beck had rabbis, priests, and even an imam or two up there with him, which makes him LESS of a bigot than some. Any Imam willing to stand tall with a plan for keeping America strong and full of liberty FOR ALL makes even me think there may be one or two honest Muslims, and after the last decade, that is saying something. The time for bickering is after we throw the devil out of office. Then I will be delighted to have you go head to head with those with a different godview, and I hope you convince them...after Obama is gone, hopefully in an orange jumpsuit, or barring that, at least Congress has changed hands. Until that time, Wormwood, take this outside.

Ben Franklin said it, I believe: "If we do not hang together, we shall all hang separately."

34 posted on 08/31/2010 7:06:45 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: Gamecock
I'm sorry Rahab, but we can't join your plan to hide our spies.. you are a Baal worshiping prostitute and there is no way that God would ever use a Baal worshiper in his plans...- Pastor John Samson's great, great, great, great....great, great, great, great, great grandfather
35 posted on 08/31/2010 7:06:49 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Gamecock

Oh brother...it’s all interpretation. Muslims would disagree, so would wiccans - no one wins these “My God is real” arguments.


36 posted on 08/31/2010 7:07:04 PM PDT by The Worthless Miracle
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To: ReneeLynn
Cut it out, dude. Get your eyes on the prize and off the MSM talking points.

You can't dismiss Christianity with that trite of a sentence.

37 posted on 08/31/2010 7:09:08 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Gamecock
Here's what Bill Press said on yesterday's MSNBC Countdown Show:

Some people here sound just like the left, don't they?

O‘DONNELL:  Let‘s bring in syndicated radio host Bill Press, the author of “Toxic Talk: How the Radical Right Poisoned America‘s Airwaves.”  Bill, I think you can figure out who the guy in the sunglasses was.  You were there on Saturday. 

BILL PRESS, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST:  I was there. 

O‘DONNELL:  So, look, on a typical summer Saturday on the mall, 80,000 is not a big deal.  That‘s just the flow through traffic of tourists.  What is your sense of how many people there were actually Beck supporters?  Like what percent of the crowd?  Half the crowd, three-quarters of the crowd? 

PRESS:  First of all, I‘m glad to know that Glenn Beck is channeling Keith Olbermann.  I wish he listened to him more often, Lawrence.  I have to tell you, I give him credit for getting a big crowd.  Look, they pumped this—they pimped this on Fox News for about a year.  There were more than 80,000 people there, I believe.  I don‘t know.  I‘m not a counter.  I‘d give them 100,000 anyhow.  I think it shows the power of Fox News to attract that many people. 

I think it also shows, which is a little worrying to me, that there‘s a lot of energy on the other side.  And the energy is not with our base.  The energy is with the Tea Partiers these days.  They were out. 

O‘DONNELL:  Getting a crowd there is pretty easy.  I‘ve been on a lot of film shoots on the mall.  And you‘ll get 20,000 people watching a film shoot that they didn‘t even know was going to happen that day.  Let‘s get to what Beck said.  Beck said that America today begins to turn back to God.  But as Steve Bennen (ph) at “Washington Monthly” points out, the question of whose God Beck is talking about has been racing around the Internet all day.  The “Christian News Wire” says, for example, quote, “Glenn Beck promotes a false gospel, however many of his political ideas can help America.”

They also said on “Christian News Wire,” “our country was founded on Judeo-Christian values.  Mormonism is not a Christian denomination.”  Is this—how strange is this for Beck trying to be a religious leader of Christian conservatives who don‘t regard his religion as something that they can follow? 

PRESS:  Look, it is totally bizarre.  First of all, the guy is a talk show host.  I‘m a talk show host.  He‘s nothing but a talk show host.  And he‘s suddenly metamorphosed, after two years of just total politics, slamming Obama day in and day out—he‘s suddenly metamorphosed into some combination of religious hot stream, of some combination of a Jimmy Swaggart and an Oral Roberts.  And then he says Obama‘s problem is he follows Liberation Theology, which he calls a perversion of the Christian gospel. 

Let me tell you something, Lawrence, we don‘t need a Mormon to teach Christians what the gospel is all about. 

O‘DONNELL:  Author and radio talk show host Bill Press, thanks for getting out there on the mall for us, Bill.  Your accounts are invaluable. 

Thanks, Bill.

38 posted on 08/31/2010 7:09:21 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Texas Fossil
And if you view Gamecock's profile page you get to see some Catholic bashing too.

I was hoping to see some "born again" bashing as well, but evidently his profile page is still under construction.

39 posted on 08/31/2010 7:09:21 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Good grief indeed! Maybe God does have a great sense of humor by inspiring a Mormon to organize a rally like that to again awaken His people.

Thank you God and thank you Glenn for the work you do.


40 posted on 08/31/2010 7:10:42 PM PDT by etabeta
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To: Gamecock

People of faith working together.
41 posted on 08/31/2010 7:11:54 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Who cares. Bashing is bashing.


42 posted on 08/31/2010 7:13:59 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Gamecock

There weren’t Christians of all stripes, Jews, and Muslims on the stage with Beck? And in the crowd? Does anyone think any of those people were praying to someone elses God? This Reverend would not attend an event like The National Prayer Breakfast because he might be praying next a person praying to a God other than his own? Am I the only one who finds his attitude un-Christian?


43 posted on 08/31/2010 7:14:12 PM PDT by csmusaret (A government that can dictate how much water flows into a toilet is a powerful government indeed.)
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To: barmag25

That is an ignorant and an Un-Christian stance.


44 posted on 08/31/2010 7:14:21 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: ansel12

“You can’t dismiss Christianity with that trite of a sentence.”

I’m dismissing the poster with that sentence. I’m dismissing his attempt to make this about Beck and Mormonism and to cause a rift among conservatives. As I said, these posts have been happening a lot today. Playing right into the MSM agenda. I refuse to jump on their ‘Yeah, it was effective but Beck is a Mormon!’ bandwagon.


45 posted on 08/31/2010 7:14:33 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Gamecock
Stand by...all caps coming:

I DID NOT GIVE BECK A DIME...I DID NOT GO SATURDAY...YET I FEEL CLOSER TO GOD AND MY COUNTRY AFTER SATURDAY THEN I HAVE IN A LONG TIME...

whew...feeling better now. Thanks Beck...You done good by me.

46 posted on 08/31/2010 7:14:39 PM PDT by IrishPennant (If you can accept losing, you can't win. ~ Vince Lombardi)
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To: Gamecock
The good Reverend must be related to Bishop Pickering in “Caddyshack”:
Bishop: I really enjoy working with young people such as yourself down at our new Lutheran Center... Why don't you drop by sometime, eh?
Danny Noonan: I've often thought of entering the Priesthood.
Bishop: Oh, are you a Roman Catholic?
[Danny nods]
Bishop: Oh, then I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you can't come.
47 posted on 08/31/2010 7:14:49 PM PDT by Apercu ("A man's character is hs fate" - Heraclitus)
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To: Gamecock

Amen my Brother!


48 posted on 08/31/2010 7:16:04 PM PDT by The Ignorant Fisherman
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To: barmag25

Sam Adams was a fool if he prayed to any man’s god, instead of Jehovah.


49 posted on 08/31/2010 7:16:09 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: 50sDad
Beck had rabbis, priests, and even an imam or two up there with him, which makes him LESS of a bigot than some.

The Rabbi and the Imam are not trying to sell their religions as Christianity, Beck is doing a very good job of selling Mormonism to Christians as Christian as evidenced by this thread and others like it.

The Mormons are currently running a PR campaign selling Mormonism as Christian, and Mormon missionaries will be showing up at Christian homes capitalizing on this and selling Mormonism as Christian.

50 posted on 08/31/2010 7:17:03 PM PDT by ansel12
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