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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.


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To: terycarl

Well, I guess since most of us on this thread aren’t Catholic, we’re not your kind of Christian either?


101 posted on 08/31/2010 7:48:24 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Gamecock

From the replies on this thread I wonder what some Freepers think. Who is going to save this nation? Is it God or Glenn Beck.

No contest, without God we are nothing. Glenn Beck is a vapor in the wind.


102 posted on 08/31/2010 7:48:37 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: GOP_Lady

Ok, Ill look for that on the map...the #1 producer of the spiritually bankrupt and theologically illiterate! I weep for that product and for your spawn! No doubt the Methodists, unitarians and Episcopalians of tomorrow.


103 posted on 08/31/2010 7:48:37 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: GOP_Lady
"MORMONS ARE CHRISTIANS. From a Polish Catholic, like the late, great Pope John Paul II, who lives in the township next to Kirtland, Ohio. GET OVER IT!"

Do you think that you reflect the truth of the Catholic Faith when you tell people that?

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Question: I read recently that the Catholic Church had rejected Mormon baptism, since their view of Christ and the Trinity is so unusual. But I have to ask: Are Mormons considered separated brothers and sisters? While their views are strange to say the least, they are still separated, and we should reach out to them. If we view them as something other than separated, doesn't that exclude ecumenism? I know that many view them as a cult, but aren't cult members separated as well?

Answer: The reason Mormons are not considered separated brethren is not because they aren't "separated" from the Church-they are-but they aren't "brethren" in the sense required.

The phrase separated brethren refers to those who, though separated from full communion with the Catholic Church, have been justified through baptism and are thus brethren in Christ. The Decree on Ecumenism (Unitatis Redintegratio) of Vatican II teaches that "all who have been justified by faith in baptism are members of Christ's body, and have a right to be called Christian, and so are correctly accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church."

Because Mormonism is polytheistic and rejects the Trinity, Mormon baptism is not valid, and Mormons are not considered separated brethren. For the same reason, outreach to them, while certainly a good thing, is not ecumenism, though it can include dialogue and social cooperation as well as efforts to evangelize them.

104 posted on 08/31/2010 7:49:16 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: swheats

Not at all, I agree with the message of returning to God! (Not Glenn’s god)The one true God, the God of the Bible!


105 posted on 08/31/2010 7:51:29 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: Gamecock

Let the Pastor know that there is only one God.

Reason teaches that God is one simple and infinitely perfect spiritual substance or nature. Sacred Scripture and the Church teach the same. The creeds, for example, usually begin with a profession of faith in the one true God, Who is the Creator and Lord of heaven and earth.


106 posted on 08/31/2010 7:51:32 PM PDT by ADSUM (Democracy works when citizens get involved and keep government honest.)
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To: Domandred

Jesus was asked by a Pharisee who was his brother.
Jesus responded with a parable of the the good Sumaritan.

The Sumaritans in the Pharisee’s and Saducee’s eyes were fake Jews. A false ethnic religion. Heretics who should as their religious duty be shunned.

Gee, it looks to me that Mormons are the modern-day Sumaritan equivalents.

Christians, who is your brother? And if Mormons should be shunned then would you shun the Sumaritans?


107 posted on 08/31/2010 7:52:34 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Gamecock

Sounds like someone has their dogmas all bunched up..


108 posted on 08/31/2010 7:53:18 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: SuzyQue
Well, I guess since most of us on this thread aren’t Catholic, we’re not your kind of Christian either?

There isn't disagreement among Christians about Mormonism not being Christian.

The Greek Orthodox, the Catholics, and the Protestants agree on Mormonism being a polytheistic, non Christian religion.

109 posted on 08/31/2010 7:53:39 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: TheGunny

Weep if you wish, but I don’t weep over GOOD PEOPLE OF FAITH, because I have things in COMMON with them.


110 posted on 08/31/2010 7:53:40 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: gwilhelm56

Get Over yourself you brainless twit. I Refuse to deal with bigoted idiots like you..

WOW name calling, I love it....you refute nothing that I say, but you stoop to calling me names because you know nothing of which you speak. That’s O.K. and that’s how protestants ususlly argue with Catholics.about 20,000 different protestant denominations, all of which they claim are right.....only 1 Catholic church which KNOWS that they are right.....remember Christ promised that His church would be without error until the end of time......we’re doing real good so far......how’s the protestant revolution doing for you?????


111 posted on 08/31/2010 7:53:45 PM PDT by terycarl (interested and informed)
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To: SuziQ

No, gods like allah and Beck’s jesus, the brother of Lucifer, are not Jehovah,

1 Corinthians 8:6  But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


112 posted on 08/31/2010 7:54:38 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Cool pic but not me. :-)


113 posted on 08/31/2010 7:55:26 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Gamecock

I don’t normally discuss religious matters in a public forum. So, I am probably going to regret doing this now. But, I have got to say this in defense of Glenn Beck.

I was deeply moved by the Honor Rally. It was probably one of the most beautiful things I have seen in a very long time. It gave me a great deal of hope and inspired me to think beyond the bitterness I feel about what has happened to this wonderful country.

It gave me courage and I don’t feel quite so alone in what I know we all are going to be facing in the future. This will be the times that will test our very souls.

The true patriots of this country will be called upon to save this nation. These people will come from all walks of life and religious persuasions. I stand with Beck on this. He has stood against great odds in his life and has succeeded in overcoming them. Now, he is here in this time and place to face the perils with us.

Like Samuel Adams, “I will pray with any man”. And, I will stand and fight with any Patriot.

God Bless You Glenn Beck.


114 posted on 08/31/2010 7:55:58 PM PDT by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember 911 *** God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Domandred

And you are gonna listen to a guy who prays to a false god that he believes is Lucifer’s brother???

Just d*mn.


115 posted on 08/31/2010 7:56:50 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Gamecock

All I wanna know is what religion is Flapp Jackson of the famous morning zoo radio show “Flapp Jackson in the Morning this Morning”!!?? The fate of the republic hinges on this vital information.

Freegards (it’s the big frog)


116 posted on 08/31/2010 7:57:12 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: swheats

1 John 4:1  ¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


117 posted on 08/31/2010 7:58:29 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: ansel12

“and Mormon missionaries will be showing up at Christian homes capitalizing on this and selling Mormonism as Christian.”

I gave at the office.


118 posted on 08/31/2010 7:58:44 PM PDT by rickb308 (Muslims need to check with Native Americans & ask how that whole cowboys & indians thing worked out.)
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To: ReneeLynn
Oh, pish. Glenn Beck isn’t considered any Christian’s ‘minister’. That’s really over-reacting.

I said that Beck is becoming the leader of Christians, and Beck is becoming our national Minister (of conservative Christians), he is the biggest, most public, national religious leader, currently.

If the Mormon Beck had not suddenly turned his show and his work efforts into the GOD movement, then there would not be this controversy and the forcing of Christians to speak up and take a stand.

119 posted on 08/31/2010 8:02:17 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: GOP_Lady

Ok, this is my attempt to meet you halfway...can you draw anything from the Bible that validates your perspective? If not, we really are done here. To the Christian, the Bible is the inspired Word of God that is true and reliable for teaching, correcting, rebuking and training in righteousness. It is the rule...well?


120 posted on 08/31/2010 8:03:10 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: nowandlater
Christians, who is your brother?

The better question for you to ask would be "Mormon's, who is Jesus' brother?"

And they will tell you that their Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.

Now, ask me who is my Jesus. And I'll tell you, my Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God, IS NOT the brother of Lucifer.

121 posted on 08/31/2010 8:03:47 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: BlessingsofLiberty
Like Samuel Adams, “I will pray with any man”. And, I will stand and fight with any Patriot.

God Bless You Glenn Beck.

I heartily agree. I am highly skeptical of those that are trying to stir up this animosity and controversy.

122 posted on 08/31/2010 8:04:11 PM PDT by mplsconservative (I stand with Israel.)
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To: TheGunny

Does Glenn have a hell to put you in? We’re not talking about collective salvation. You have to approach the Creator of the Universe for yourself.

One thing that hasn’t changed that down through the years the enemy of God has always been right there to pick off anyone that dare stand up and confess anything concerning Yahweh.


123 posted on 08/31/2010 8:04:56 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: TheGunny
Christrians read the Bible, and that includes Mormons.

They also have a wonderful book entitled, “Jesus The Christ.”

I think I'll take a refresher course soon.

124 posted on 08/31/2010 8:05:04 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: ansel12

He’s not becoming the leader of Christians either. For pete’s sakes.


125 posted on 08/31/2010 8:06:27 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: terycarl
......how’s the protestant revolution doing for you?????

I would say pretty good, you like America don't you?

126 posted on 08/31/2010 8:06:39 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: mplsconservative
Indeed, God bless Glenn Beck and those around him.

It took a tremendous amount of courage for him to do what he did Saturday.

Did you know that he wore a bullet-proof vest for his wife?

127 posted on 08/31/2010 8:06:49 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Gamecock

Oh great another pastor who thinks his way is the only way. Newsflash Moron I have Mormons in my family they believe in the same God I do they just pray and worship in another manner. I am Catholic I’m sure you also have something nasty to say about us too.*eyeroll* Why not worry about your own soul and I’ll do the same with mine.


128 posted on 08/31/2010 8:07:16 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: All

Treating all as a Brother is what Jesus implored the dogmatically correct Pharisees with the parable of the good Sumaritan (the theologically heretical fake Jew). It doesn’t mean you agree with doctrine, but you are required by Jesus to show good will.

The new commandment from Jesus is to love one another as he has loved us. I see it rarely here on Freerepublic, therefore I can only conclude that the true disciples of Christ are faint in numbers here.


129 posted on 08/31/2010 8:07:28 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: ReneeLynn

Who is a bigger religious leader at this moment than Beck?


130 posted on 08/31/2010 8:07:43 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: csmusaret
There weren’t Christians of all stripes, Jews, and Muslims on the stage with Beck? And in the crowd? Does anyone think any of those people were praying to someone elses God? This Reverend would not attend an event like The National Prayer Breakfast because he might be praying next a person praying to a God other than his own? Am I the only one who finds his attitude un-Christian?

I think ALL people who believe in GOD coming together is a good thing! No, make that a great thing! I traveled on a bus with people of all different religious persuasions. Denominations and religions represent theological differences and interpretations but GOD IS LOVE and that is the universal message. God knows "his" identity and does not need denominational modifiers. The CHURCH is bigger than each of the many denominations that have grown from it. To get hung up on specific theological points is very Pharisitic. The CHURCH is not contained by walls or doctrines or creeds. The CHURCH is composed of all the people who have the SPIRIT OF GOD within. We are ALL pilgrims on a journey of seeking the face of God we all are now looking through a glass darkly. It is only on the other side that all will be made clear. Please don't be a stumbling block to this man who has come so far on his faith journey. We are not to judge one another for that is the ultimate sin of setting ourselves up as God. May we humbly be open to God's divine guidance. I am certain that what I experienced on 8-28 was the presence of GOD. Thank you Glenn Beck!
131 posted on 08/31/2010 8:08:57 PM PDT by Notasoccermom
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To: GOP_Lady

I believe their Holiest Book, is the “Book of Mormon” do you accept it as the word of God?


132 posted on 08/31/2010 8:09:29 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Bodleian_Girl
I would listen to a confessed atheist passing out Twinkies and calling them manna if he was still correct on the Founding principles of this Nation. Differing or wrong beliefs in one area doesn't mean everything else is wrong. I might think he's bonkers on the Twinkies but meh whatever.
133 posted on 08/31/2010 8:10:14 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: ansel12

Your premise is flawed. Beck is not a religious leader. I’d say the Pope is still numero uno since Billy Graham got older.


134 posted on 08/31/2010 8:10:43 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: Errant
"Anyone who doesn't believe the human race is about to enter a Great Tribulation should read the comments on this thread..."

I totally agree. And reading these comments makes one realize just how easy it will be for the Antichrist to fool people. "Unity," the Antichrist will cry. And by the millions they will fall in place, marching gladly to their doom. Unified.

135 posted on 08/31/2010 8:12:05 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Gamecock

I guess the writer would not have been a signer of the Declaration of Independence, because of the “false god” of the Papists who were later to sign it. His Calvinist forebears didn’t seem to share his sensibilities.


136 posted on 08/31/2010 8:13:36 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: csmusaret

IMHO People who think like this pastor are the least Christian of all!


137 posted on 08/31/2010 8:13:52 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba
Wow, so you being a Catholic think that God the Father was a sinner who once lived on the planet Kolob? That he gained exaltation to Godhood?

How is that the same God of Catholic and Protestant doctrine?

Mormons have every right to believe whatever they want. Just don't lie about it and hide it.
138 posted on 08/31/2010 8:13:57 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: chris_bdba
I have Mormons in my family they believe in the same God I do they just pray and worship in another manner. I am Catholic

They believe that their jesus is the brother of Lucifer. So you also embrace that "belief?"

139 posted on 08/31/2010 8:15:24 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Yes I know and they will attempt to deceive the very elect if it were possible. We can agree on this one thing we’re all sincere in our passion. Good thing we both know the word but if I have not love I am nothing.

It appears we know the same things concerning the Bible but at disagreement on another brother’s belief system. Another conundrum.


140 posted on 08/31/2010 8:15:24 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: Gamecock; Terriergal
Ping to terriergal, to read over this and Gamecock's related thread.

Interesting, how many just don't get it.

The LDS god is not the Christian God. The Christian God is, as an old book says

There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable and most righteous will, for his own glory, most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and withal most just and terrible in his judgments; hating all sin; and who will by no means clear the guilty.

Not to mention, triune.

The LDS god is, well, "some guy" from the imaginary planet Kolob.

And yes, it matters.

I found this yesterday:

"I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation - persons extremely well known in Christianity - and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), 'Glenn is saved,' " Garlow said in his memo, which was dated Wednesday. "He understands receiving Christ as savior."

Pretty distressing, the level of discernment among some "persons extremely well known in Christianity".

And, from the same source:

"Christians concerned about Glenn's faith should judge the tree by its fruits, not its labels," Barton, a former Republican National Committee consultant, continued.

Actually, one should start by asking about his confession.

141 posted on 08/31/2010 8:16:09 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("evangelicals don't know Torah well enough to be theonomists." --D. G. Hart)
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To: GOP_Lady

I havent a care! Because you are delusional and illiterate certainly doesnt make me envy you. I pitty you! I would approach you like Paul approached the Galatians...FYI the devil’s kids indeed have a book which the regard higher than the true Word of God...the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price...You can say it until your face turns, they are NOT Christian. If you were anything but an argumentative tool, you would put just a little time into searching out the truth and less time making excuses for cults who are leading people to the broad path. You, Glenn and the rest, have a good time there..it will only be for a short time.


142 posted on 08/31/2010 8:17:48 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: All

May the Lord God of Isreal and the Savior of the world heal this land for he alone can do it! I implore all who can listen follow the commands of Jesus. Love one another! Be the good Sumaritan not the Pharisee. Be foremost of pure intent toward one another and not let the law of Moses or the dogma of the learned get in the way of the Lord working miracles in your life.


143 posted on 08/31/2010 8:18:03 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: GOP_Lady
Did you know that he wore a bullet-proof vest for his wife?

I think he does that at every public event, IIRC. Glenn, is indeed, very courageous. How some seen to think he's trying to convert people to Mormonism is ludicrous. Do they ever listen to his radio show? Restoring Honor was very inspirational and something this country needs so much at this point in time. Though I couldn't attend in person, I was moved to tears several times watching the broadcast. It inspired me to read the Bible more and to pray more to God and to Jesus in my daily life. Some here make like that's a bad thing because the way I was inspired doesn't pass their purity "smell" test.

144 posted on 08/31/2010 8:18:14 PM PDT by mplsconservative (I stand with Israel.)
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To: arkady_renko
"200 posts, minimum on this one..."

50 more to go???

145 posted on 08/31/2010 8:19:15 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: ansel12

Yes on both why? Are you a bigot?


146 posted on 08/31/2010 8:19:21 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: ansel12

What division is Beck causing, or is it his existence that is causing division?


147 posted on 08/31/2010 8:19:42 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: chris_bdba
IMHO People who think like this pastor are the least Christian of all!

Read post 104, for the Catholic view.

148 posted on 08/31/2010 8:19:58 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Gamecock

Gamecock, I have agreed with you many times and don’t know that I don’t now HOWEVER, I am a fruit inspector. I am seeing how Glen’s taking the higher road is showing the American people who weren’t aware of the Left’s hostility, a very clear picture that can not be denied.

Could this Scripture apply in this situation?

(Mark 9:38 KJV) And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

(Mark 9:39 KJV) But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

(Mark 9:40 KJV) For he that is not against us is on our part.


149 posted on 08/31/2010 8:20:37 PM PDT by ladyL
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Same way the muslims say there is no god but allah. FALSE!


150 posted on 08/31/2010 8:20:44 PM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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