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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.

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To: Gamecock; Terriergal
Ping to terriergal, to read over this and Gamecock's related thread.

Interesting, how many just don't get it.

The LDS god is not the Christian God. The Christian God is, as an old book says

There is but one only living and true God, who is infinite in being and perfection, a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, almighty, most wise, most holy, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable and most righteous will, for his own glory, most loving, gracious, merciful, long-suffering, abundant in goodness and truth, forgiving iniquity, transgression, and sin; the rewarder of them that diligently seek him; and withal most just and terrible in his judgments; hating all sin; and who will by no means clear the guilty.

Not to mention, triune.

The LDS god is, well, "some guy" from the imaginary planet Kolob.

And yes, it matters.

I found this yesterday:

"I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation - persons extremely well known in Christianity - and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), 'Glenn is saved,' " Garlow said in his memo, which was dated Wednesday. "He understands receiving Christ as savior."

Pretty distressing, the level of discernment among some "persons extremely well known in Christianity".

And, from the same source:

"Christians concerned about Glenn's faith should judge the tree by its fruits, not its labels," Barton, a former Republican National Committee consultant, continued.

Actually, one should start by asking about his confession.

141 posted on 08/31/2010 8:16:09 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("evangelicals don't know Torah well enough to be theonomists." --D. G. Hart)
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To: GOP_Lady

I havent a care! Because you are delusional and illiterate certainly doesnt make me envy you. I pitty you! I would approach you like Paul approached the Galatians...FYI the devil’s kids indeed have a book which the regard higher than the true Word of God...the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price...You can say it until your face turns, they are NOT Christian. If you were anything but an argumentative tool, you would put just a little time into searching out the truth and less time making excuses for cults who are leading people to the broad path. You, Glenn and the rest, have a good time will only be for a short time.

142 posted on 08/31/2010 8:17:48 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: All

May the Lord God of Isreal and the Savior of the world heal this land for he alone can do it! I implore all who can listen follow the commands of Jesus. Love one another! Be the good Sumaritan not the Pharisee. Be foremost of pure intent toward one another and not let the law of Moses or the dogma of the learned get in the way of the Lord working miracles in your life.

143 posted on 08/31/2010 8:18:03 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: GOP_Lady
Did you know that he wore a bullet-proof vest for his wife?

I think he does that at every public event, IIRC. Glenn, is indeed, very courageous. How some seen to think he's trying to convert people to Mormonism is ludicrous. Do they ever listen to his radio show? Restoring Honor was very inspirational and something this country needs so much at this point in time. Though I couldn't attend in person, I was moved to tears several times watching the broadcast. It inspired me to read the Bible more and to pray more to God and to Jesus in my daily life. Some here make like that's a bad thing because the way I was inspired doesn't pass their purity "smell" test.

144 posted on 08/31/2010 8:18:14 PM PDT by mplsconservative (I stand with Israel.)
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To: arkady_renko
"200 posts, minimum on this one..."

50 more to go???

145 posted on 08/31/2010 8:19:15 PM PDT by arkady_renko
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To: ansel12

Yes on both why? Are you a bigot?

146 posted on 08/31/2010 8:19:21 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: ansel12

What division is Beck causing, or is it his existence that is causing division?

147 posted on 08/31/2010 8:19:42 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: chris_bdba
IMHO People who think like this pastor are the least Christian of all!

Read post 104, for the Catholic view.

148 posted on 08/31/2010 8:19:58 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Gamecock

Gamecock, I have agreed with you many times and don’t know that I don’t now HOWEVER, I am a fruit inspector. I am seeing how Glen’s taking the higher road is showing the American people who weren’t aware of the Left’s hostility, a very clear picture that can not be denied.

Could this Scripture apply in this situation?

(Mark 9:38 KJV) And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

(Mark 9:39 KJV) But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

(Mark 9:40 KJV) For he that is not against us is on our part.

149 posted on 08/31/2010 8:20:37 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: Tucsonican

Same way the muslims say there is no god but allah. FALSE!

150 posted on 08/31/2010 8:20:44 PM PDT by vpintheak (Love of God, Family and Country has made me an extremist.)
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To: Domandred

Yes there are quite a few bigots around here who think their church is the only way. I think they should worry more about their own soul and not being welcome in heaven with the attitude their church has instilled in them!This from a Catholic with Mormons relatives.

151 posted on 08/31/2010 8:21:17 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SuzyQue
Well, Pastor Sampson, if you can't join Glenn Beck because he's a vile Mormon in your eyes, start something worth joining yourself. It's a big enough country. No one is stopping you.

It's a hell of a note to think that a man you consider an ignorant cultist follower of an impure religion is showing spine and courage and using all his skills and talents to influence others to reverse the decay and rot that is undermining this nation while you carp and complain that he is not pure enough in your eyes for you to assist him to carry out the task.

If you can't join him, and are unwilling to step out and take up the banner yourself, stay the hell out of the way. Just bide your time until the Judgment Day when the idol worshiper Beck gets his and you get yours.

Shoot, I figure I'm going to hell anyway. But I hope I get to watch as you and Beck get your respective rewards. I just hope someone brings popcorn.

152 posted on 08/31/2010 8:21:59 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: ReneeLynn

Beck is the biggest religious leader in America, who is bigger? You gave us the Pope, he isn’t American besides is the argument that Glenn is only second to the Pope?, who else is devoting more time to talking and leading about GOD than Glenn Beck?

153 posted on 08/31/2010 8:24:50 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: terycarl

Yes they are and anyone who told you otherwise lied to you.

154 posted on 08/31/2010 8:25:43 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SuzyQue

Wow bigots are out trong tonight.I’m Catholic what is wrong with that?

155 posted on 08/31/2010 8:26:49 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: behzinlea

Well said!

156 posted on 08/31/2010 8:28:17 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: chris_bdba

Not a thing. I was reacting to an “only Catholics are saved” comment. Why do you ask?

157 posted on 08/31/2010 8:31:07 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

That stuff is not what Mormoms believe so if that is what you want to think that makes you the bigot here.

158 posted on 08/31/2010 8:32:51 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Whoever told you that lied to you.I don’t think God let’s bigots into heaven.

159 posted on 08/31/2010 8:33:35 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Raider Sam
What division is Beck causing, or is it his existence that is causing division?

By turning his shows into largely a Christian revivalist movement, he is forcing Christians to examine who is leading them and to where.

Glenn Beck is the gift that the Mormon cult has been waiting for, look at this thread and all the insistence that Mormonism is a Christian church.

160 posted on 08/31/2010 8:33:39 PM PDT by ansel12
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