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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: beck; cult; cultists; cultofkolob; delusional; delusionaldrydrunk; drydrunk; glenn; glennbeck; glennsgroupies; iwuvglenn; iwuvglenniebeck; kolob; mormon; mormonism
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To: Domandred

Yes there are quite a few bigots around here who think their church is the only way. I think they should worry more about their own soul and not being welcome in heaven with the attitude their church has instilled in them!This from a Catholic with Mormons relatives.


151 posted on 08/31/2010 8:21:17 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SuzyQue
Well, Pastor Sampson, if you can't join Glenn Beck because he's a vile Mormon in your eyes, start something worth joining yourself. It's a big enough country. No one is stopping you.

It's a hell of a note to think that a man you consider an ignorant cultist follower of an impure religion is showing spine and courage and using all his skills and talents to influence others to reverse the decay and rot that is undermining this nation while you carp and complain that he is not pure enough in your eyes for you to assist him to carry out the task.

If you can't join him, and are unwilling to step out and take up the banner yourself, stay the hell out of the way. Just bide your time until the Judgment Day when the idol worshiper Beck gets his and you get yours.

Shoot, I figure I'm going to hell anyway. But I hope I get to watch as you and Beck get your respective rewards. I just hope someone brings popcorn.

152 posted on 08/31/2010 8:21:59 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: ReneeLynn

Beck is the biggest religious leader in America, who is bigger? You gave us the Pope, he isn’t American besides is the argument that Glenn is only second to the Pope?, who else is devoting more time to talking and leading about GOD than Glenn Beck?


153 posted on 08/31/2010 8:24:50 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: terycarl

Yes they are and anyone who told you otherwise lied to you.


154 posted on 08/31/2010 8:25:43 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: SuzyQue

Wow bigots are out trong tonight.I’m Catholic what is wrong with that?


155 posted on 08/31/2010 8:26:49 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: behzinlea

Well said!


156 posted on 08/31/2010 8:28:17 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: chris_bdba

Not a thing. I was reacting to an “only Catholics are saved” comment. Why do you ask?


157 posted on 08/31/2010 8:31:07 PM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

That stuff is not what Mormoms believe so if that is what you want to think that makes you the bigot here.


158 posted on 08/31/2010 8:32:51 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Whoever told you that lied to you.I don’t think God let’s bigots into heaven.


159 posted on 08/31/2010 8:33:35 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Raider Sam
What division is Beck causing, or is it his existence that is causing division?

By turning his shows into largely a Christian revivalist movement, he is forcing Christians to examine who is leading them and to where.

Glenn Beck is the gift that the Mormon cult has been waiting for, look at this thread and all the insistence that Mormonism is a Christian church.

160 posted on 08/31/2010 8:33:39 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Diego1618; Eagle Eye; Yehuda
The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man.

The baalim have become rather insecure of late, agitated over any perceived competition.

161 posted on 08/31/2010 8:34:39 PM PDT by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: behzinlea

I sure hope you don’t go to hell. Accept the gift of Salvation Christ offers. John 3:16,17


162 posted on 08/31/2010 8:35:34 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: chris_bdba

Ummm... I’m bigot? Why are you member of a organization that kept blacks from joining until 1979?


163 posted on 08/31/2010 8:35:51 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: nowandlater

How about this: Should we shun the Jews? They dont believe that Jesus is the Saviour.


164 posted on 08/31/2010 8:37:24 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: chris_bdba
Whoever told you that lied to you.I don’t think God let’s bigots into heaven.

Then the Mormon's are the liars?

"Jess L. Christensen, Institute of Religion director at Utah State University, Logan, Utah. On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some—especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother."

FROM LDS.ORG

165 posted on 08/31/2010 8:38:04 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: chris_bdba
[CHRISITAN] "Yes they are and anyone who told you otherwise lied to you.

Then why does the Catholic church say that Mormonism is not Christian, are they lying, was Pope John Paul Lying?, What about post 104?

166 posted on 08/31/2010 8:38:35 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Bodleian_Girl
Yehovah is not His name. Hovah in Hebrew is MISCHIEF. I don't think YHVH would be associated with “mischief.”

Yahweh is His name. The letter J as in Jehovah was not put into the alphabet until about 500 years ago so Biblically, Jehovah could not have been His name. Isn't it sad, muslims know the name of their god, Hindu's know the name of their god, Jews know the name of their God but Christians have no idea what our God's name is. What are the churches teaching their people?

167 posted on 08/31/2010 8:39:06 PM PDT by ladyL
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To: swheats

I’m afraid I would not be comfortable being in the same place where Pastor Sampson is. And I’m sure he would not welcome my company. The Mormons I know are wonderful people. If they’re going to hell, I want to be with them and people like them.


168 posted on 08/31/2010 8:39:33 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: ansel12

I’m not insisting that Mormonism is a Christian church. I believe Beck at his word that he believes Christ died on the cross for him. I believe Christ died on the Cross for me. Before I believed that I was a Baptist because that was my family’s religion. Once I accepted the truth I no longer accepted the rules and regs of Baptist.

Glenn might not have made that leap yet.


169 posted on 08/31/2010 8:40:08 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: behzinlea
It's a hell of a note to think that a man you consider an ignorant cultist follower of an impure religion is showing spine and courage and using all his skills and talents to influence others to reverse the decay and rot that is undermining this nation while you carp and complain that he is not pure enough in your eyes for you to assist him to carry out the task.

Hey, if the guy started preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ, he'd be run out of town.

170 posted on 08/31/2010 8:40:15 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Raider Sam

You guys miss the point with those silly examples, Mormonism is unique because it wants to pose as Christian, when it is really a new, unique religion of it’s own.


171 posted on 08/31/2010 8:40:45 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ladyL

As long as I am an English speaking Christian, Jehovah is His name.


172 posted on 08/31/2010 8:41:10 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: behzinlea
If they’re going to hell, I want to be with them and people like them.
173 posted on 08/31/2010 8:42:26 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: behzinlea
The Mormons I know are wonderful people. If they’re going to hell, I want to be with them and people like them.

Then I am absolutely sure you will be with them.

174 posted on 08/31/2010 8:44:33 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: swheats

Beck knew what he was getting into when he left Christianity and joined the Mormons, he is a big promoter of the religion and currently one of it’s most powerful members.


175 posted on 08/31/2010 8:44:43 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: swheats
"Before I believed that I was a Baptist because that was my family’s religion."

Do the Baptist believe that their Jesus is Lucifer's brother?

Beck believes that the jesus he follows is Lucifer's brother.

176 posted on 08/31/2010 8:45:00 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Osage Orange

The geneology of faiths as I understand is that both Christianity and Islamm claim the same religious root of Abraham. The split comes in that Issac is of Sarah and Ishmael is of Haggar who was another of Abraham’s house. Haggar and Ishmael were put out. Jacob was of Issac and so developed the lineage of Jacob, Joseph, David up to Jesus Christ. This is why I think that the Jewish and Islam rift/hatred is too deep rooted to be reconciled as the true faith of GOD. Even the Islamists recognize Jesus as of Abraham but no more of a prophet than Mohammed and certainly not the Son of God of Abraham. The conflict between Jews, Islamists, and Christians are too deep rooted for shallow politicians to reconcile.


177 posted on 08/31/2010 8:45:11 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: behzinlea
If they’re going to hell, I want to be with them and people like them.

Wow, that is true commitment to Joseph Smith.

178 posted on 08/31/2010 8:45:33 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Great comment.


179 posted on 08/31/2010 8:45:52 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: swheats
I believe Beck at his word that he believes Christ died on the cross for him.

Which Christ?

Matthew 24:24
 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22
 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

1 John 4:1
 ¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

180 posted on 08/31/2010 8:48:03 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: ansel12

Why are you so threatened? If a Christian is secure in his/her own faith then they have nothing to gain by evangelizing their beliefs.


181 posted on 08/31/2010 8:49:12 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

If they don’t they sure act like it 6 days out of the week and all holy on Sunday.

My friend said the one thing she learned from the baptist church is how to dress well. That’s saying something bout religion.

I’m trying to work out this relationship.

Give me some links to Beck quotes or something or you want me to continue depending on your word.


182 posted on 08/31/2010 8:49:44 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: ansel12

I guess the question would be, assuming your premise to be true, where are the Protestant leaders starting rallies and trying to save the soul of American citizens? Are they in their pulpit, preaching to their flock? Why are they not preaching to the unconverted? Why are they not having rallies in Washington?

If Beck is leading the religious movement in America, and if he is doing it to further Mormonism, then where are the Protestants...and Catholics for that matter? I guess they should be ashamed.


183 posted on 08/31/2010 8:49:53 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: swheats

Well, Baptists also believe that Christ died on the cross for them. So what’s the problem?


184 posted on 08/31/2010 8:51:42 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: antceecee
"If a Christian is secure in his/her own faith then they have nothing to gain by evangelizing their beliefs."

Excepting the fact that Jesus Christ commanded it of us....

Matthew 28:19
 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost

Proverbs 11:30  
¶The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.

185 posted on 08/31/2010 8:52:00 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: ansel12

So by Glenn Beck not attacking Protestants or Catholics, he is the one who is guilty of division within the ranks of Christianity? The only people being divisive on the rally are the ones who are saying it was pointless because he is a Mormon.


186 posted on 08/31/2010 8:52:18 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Bodleian_Girl; All
And reading these comments makes one realize just how easy it will be for the Antichrist to fool people.

Actually, I think the Antichrist and his father thrive in a world of hatred and abhorrence of others.

Why does it upset you so that someone has a different religion than you do?

Can't you believe what you believe and allow others the freedom to do likewise. This is not directed at you but to everyone critical of another person's relationship with God. We will all be judged in the end.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

187 posted on 08/31/2010 8:52:48 PM PDT by Errant
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To: GOP_Lady

Some here are locked in a battle that does not allow them to come together with ANYONE who disagrees with their world view.
Sad.


188 posted on 08/31/2010 8:52:53 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Yes you said that already. I asked for Beck’s quotes and as it says in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.

How bout you how did you accept Christ? and how did He change your life?


189 posted on 08/31/2010 8:53:33 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: Raider Sam; ansel12

Is it by God’s might or man’s might that this country will be saved?

Revival in the hearts of people will save this nation - nothing else will. God’s preacher’s, pastor’s, minister’s and priest’s are leading the revival. Glenn isn’t.


190 posted on 08/31/2010 8:53:42 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Raider Sam
Why are they not having rallies in Washington?

What do you think would happen if Gospel preachers stood up in Washing DC and starting telling people that they should repent and trust Jesus Christ alone for their salvation?

191 posted on 08/31/2010 8:53:53 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: colorcountry

I’s late.... I mad a big typo.

preachers, pastors, ministers, and priests.


192 posted on 08/31/2010 8:54:46 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: swheats

The question you are ignoring is whether or not you believe that you and Glenn Beck worship the same Jesus.

Do you? Because his Jesus us the brother of Satan.


193 posted on 08/31/2010 8:55:09 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: colorcountry

made....sheesh


194 posted on 08/31/2010 8:55:24 PM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: ansel12

What you say as concerns the Catholic Church and the LDS is true, their understanding of the Trinity isn’t the historic Christian understanding.

“Mormonism is unique because it wants to pose as Christian, when it is really a new, unique religion of it’s own.”

The LDS is the biggest of these types of religions, but there are many who claim the title “Christian” who reject the Trinity but aren’t LDS. Just look at the religion forum around Easter, or those who claim that there is no trace of the Trinity in the bible.

That said, I like Glenn Beck, I think he is bad for liberals. Although Flapp Jackson in the Morning this Morning is a better radio DJ.

Freegards


195 posted on 08/31/2010 8:56:22 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: antceecee

Personally, I can join up with any conservative over political issues. But I ain’t joining up with no Muslim or Mormon over religious issues. Y’all go on and join up with ‘em. I’m sitting the fake revival out.


196 posted on 08/31/2010 8:56:59 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: BnBlFlag

A form of godliness but no power. They (the church we attended) believed in works and no grace.


197 posted on 08/31/2010 8:57:19 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: ansel12

I believe you are the one missing the point. You advocate not praying with Mormons. Will you pray with a Jew?


198 posted on 08/31/2010 8:57:37 PM PDT by Raider Sam (They're on our left, right, front, and back. They aint gettin away this time!)
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To: Gamecock

Dear Gods...


199 posted on 08/31/2010 8:58:01 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: terycarl

I am a Roman Catholic and growing up in the 50’s and 60’s I had many neighbor kids (Protestants... mainly Baptist) tell me and my siblings that we were NOT Christians because Catholics were heathens that worshiped saints like Cleopatra. Ignorance is bliss for some.


200 posted on 08/31/2010 8:58:16 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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