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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.


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To: Raider Sam

I think it is because Beck built a political audience and then started moving to religion, people are being sucked in, which is a Mormon method, “milk before meat”.


301 posted on 08/31/2010 10:54:46 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Have you been to his new “News/blog” site that just went up today?

He wants people to submit articles of things that are happening that do not show up in the papers, and then he wants “his journalists” to fact check them. And then he’ll put them up.

I wonder how this will evolve in time?


302 posted on 08/31/2010 10:57:40 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: Raider Sam
* Look it up
303 posted on 08/31/2010 11:01:06 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dem voters, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when deceived.)
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To: 50sDad

Bravo! Excellent post.


304 posted on 08/31/2010 11:01:24 PM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. (PursuingLiberty.com))
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To: Gamecock

WOW

So this pastor was invited to The Great Glenn Beck Love-In...

and declined...

God Bless this decerning Christian man...


305 posted on 08/31/2010 11:03:31 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Raider Sam

I didn’t make note of it, it isn’t unusual to see people surprised to learn that Beck practices Mormonism.


306 posted on 08/31/2010 11:05:15 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Tennessean4Bush

Good grief. I don’t think Glenn asked anyone to pray to his Mormon god.
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I sure didnt hear Beck identify his mormon god and tell anyone not too...


307 posted on 08/31/2010 11:05:23 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: 21twelve
Isn't it amazing how the words of Jesus recorded 2,000 years ago are just as relevant today.
308 posted on 08/31/2010 11:06:25 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Ramius

What a small man the pastor is
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What a big God the pastor has...


309 posted on 08/31/2010 11:07:35 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: antceecee
and no I do not respect Catholic Answers as the AUTHORITY when it comes to my faith.

Do you have a better source to contradict them, or throw doubt on them? Do you think that the Vatican accepts Mormonism as Christian?

310 posted on 08/31/2010 11:08:22 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: CynicalBear

How many times is this thing going to be posted?? sheesh
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Until you get it right...


311 posted on 08/31/2010 11:08:36 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: barmag25

I am no Bigot, I will pray with any man”

-Samuel Adams
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But then Samuel Adams was not a mormon...


312 posted on 08/31/2010 11:09:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: gwilhelm56

How are you ???


313 posted on 08/31/2010 11:12:08 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
I wonder how this will evolve in time?

I don't know, but already conservative Christians and conservative talk show hosts are being drawn in to defending Mormonism as Christian, because they want to protect Beck's conservative political messages, people are being sucked into a tar pit.

314 posted on 08/31/2010 11:12:22 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: Tennessee Nana

Huh?


315 posted on 08/31/2010 11:17:03 PM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: ansel12
Try this: The Vatican Web Site

CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH

RESPONSE TO A 'DUBIUM' on the validity of baptism conferred by «The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints», called «Mormons»

Question: Wheter the baptism conferred by the community «The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints», called «Mormons» in the vernacular, is valid.

Response: Negative.

The Supreme Pontiff John Paul II, in the Audience granted to the undersigned Cardinal Prefect, approved the present Response, decided in the Sessione Ordinaria of this Congregation, and ordered it published.

From the Offices of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, 5 June 2001.

+ Joseph Cardinal RATZINGER Prefect

+ Tarcisio BERTONE, S.D.B. Archbishop emeritus of Vercelli Secretary

316 posted on 08/31/2010 11:19:34 PM PDT by Legatus
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To: ansel12

I don’t understand this.

Since the 2008 election, I’ve listened to talk radio. I’ve watched FOX. I pay attention to FR.

But, I have my own internal compass.

I’ve been living my life the way it needs to be lived to take care of my family. That’s all. I can vote, sure. And as we get closer to 2012 I may want to get more involved.

But in this economy, with the world being so unsettled because of those loons in the WH... I try to ignore a good portion that goes on, for my own sanity.

I can only control what I can control. I take care of my family, and put the kids to bed at night.

Beck’s call for a national (what is it?) just rings hollow to me.

He was here in Atlanta after September 11th. We went to that. I would never travel to DC to see him. HE’S AN ENTERTAINER, FIRST AND FOREMOST!

He’s not a Theologian or an American Historian, and his facts aren’t always perfect.

I can read the Bible for myself, thanks.


317 posted on 08/31/2010 11:21:47 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Utopia is being foisted on Americans for their own good.-- J. Robert Smith)
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To: Legatus

I know that site, and that document, part of the document is incorporated into that photo of Pope John Paul in post 104. The answer part.


318 posted on 08/31/2010 11:23:32 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: swheats; Colofornian

I know Glenn believes in God and he stated last week he believes in Jesus dying on the Cross
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Source ???

How do you know that ???

This is important because the pastor who reported that Beck said that could have added the “DYING ON THE CROSS” when he repeated Beck’s statement because it is an automatic phrase for a Christian to say and not because he actually heard Beck say it...

Meanwhile Beck may have just stopped at “believes in Jesus”

Mormons do not believe Jesus died on the cross to save us...

They claim our redemptgion which they call “atonement” was won in the Garden or Gethsemene through the sweat of Jesus and not through the Blood on the Cross.....

They believe that the Cross has nothing to do with our salvation..


319 posted on 08/31/2010 11:24:48 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: flynmudd
And there in lies the problem... Religion should NOT be whatever “works for us”, but rather what the truth is according to God himself. Religion is man saying to God how things will work, not man seeking the one and only truth from the one and only God. There is but one God and one way to salvation. Have you ever actually taken the time to read all that Joseph Smith espoused. It was/is whack to the core.

Something might "work" for you while you are on earth, but if it leads to eternal damation after this life, it didn't really work, did it? While all the things that Beck did at the rally were great and noble, in so much as trying to save out republic, if in the end someone seeks out Mormonism because of their admiration of Beck they have forfeited their eternal salvation. That is the point of this pastor. While I myself, am grateful that someone is waking up America to the ills of Obama, I was uneasy that it was someone whose beliefs are so very flawed and are in complete opposition to that of the truth of Christ Jesus and his plan of salvation.

All that being said, this is the first time I have chimed in on the rally and this controversy. I know i will be flamed. Really don't care. False doctrine is false doctrine and it leads to eternal damnation. Would everyone be on Becks side if he were one of these peaceful Muslims we hear about and was saying all the things he says??? I think not..

do your homework regarding Mormonism people. it won't take you too long to realize it is apostate. In fact, given how intelligent i believe Beck to be, it surprises me that he has not figured it out and jumped ship. I pray for him almost daily that the truth of Jesus Christ will be revealed to him.

Okay, now, everyone flame away, but before you do so and call me a religious bigot, do your homework and read God's word from beginning to end and then compare that to the beliefs within Mormonism and tell me if they coincide... This Pastor is not as concerned about saving this nation (which will cease to exist, as will all others when Christ returns) as he is at saving souls for all eternity. I for one commend him. That is his point. He applauds Beck in his political views, but fears for souls that may be lead astray. And there you all have my two cents...

320 posted on 08/31/2010 11:27:26 PM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Pretty soon everything in this country will be "free", except it's people!)
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To: ansel12

Ass... as the one who carried Mary the mother of Christ... meant lovingly....


321 posted on 08/31/2010 11:32:56 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: swheats; Tennessee Nana
Well I know Glenn believes in God...

Well, that makes a flock of, oh what millions and billions?

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. (Bible, James 2:19)

...he stated last week he believes in Jesus dying on the Cross.

The previous Mormon "prophet", Gordon B. Hinckley, who was Beck's "prophet" before dying a few years ago, told Beck & other Mormons to play down the cross:
"But for us, the cross is the symbol of the dying Christ, while our message is a declaration of a Living Christ" (Hinckley, "The Symbol of our Faith," official Lds publication Ensign, April 2005 p. 3)

The cross in Mormonism is simply shunned. That's why you can't find a single cross adorned on any single Mormon ward, stakehouse, temple or other facility.

322 posted on 08/31/2010 11:46:34 PM PDT by Colofornian (=)
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To: ansel12

The division Beck is causing is having Christians step up in defense of Mormonism and against Christians that try to raise the flag of warning and awareness.
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You noticed that ???

The shaking in the Church has started...


323 posted on 08/31/2010 11:50:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ansel12

And Sumaritans posed itself as the chose people over the Pharisees...and yet Jesus referred to Sumaritans the false faith as those who acted as a Brother and who would be saved over the Pharisees. I think alot of so called Christians will be shocked at what the Lord will judge. Especially you!


324 posted on 08/31/2010 11:52:30 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Colofornian
"The cross in Mormonism is simply shunned. That's why you can't find a single cross adorned on any single Mormon ward, stakehouse, temple or other facility."

Ditto Christian Science.

325 posted on 08/31/2010 11:52:35 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly - 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
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To: GOP_Lady

And yet that same “late, great Pope John Paul II,” believed that

MORMONS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS


326 posted on 08/31/2010 11:54:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: All

Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og2PPbWt_1k

I love this rendition by my fellow Mormons. I listen to it when I am accused of not being Christian. I plea to you God for my sustenance!


327 posted on 08/31/2010 11:55:06 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: gwilhelm56; terycarl; Elsie

I Refuse to deal with bigoted idiots like you..
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You wait till Elsie gets here...

Elsie will show you just how bigoted the mormons really are...


328 posted on 08/31/2010 11:58:14 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: GOP_Lady

VALUES like mormon Harry Reid has...

Yeah thats the ticket...


329 posted on 08/31/2010 11:59:51 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: swheats

Misquote the Christian Bible much ???


330 posted on 09/01/2010 12:04:00 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Do you truly believe that Beck staged his gathering to destroy Christianity?


331 posted on 09/01/2010 12:08:28 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: ansel12

I was at the first Gathering of Eagles...

It was a great day...freezing cold but our hearts were warm..

It wasnt turned into a all-religions-are-equal revival like Becks gathering was...

We were there for the country and the military and the veterans...

As an American and a veteran, thats what I expected, thats what I went for, and thats what I got...

If Beck had kept the tone and aim at patriotism etc there would not have been this discisiveness now...

But no...

Glenn Beck has to be the mormon Billy Graham...the mormon Grandma Moses...

If God used Beck on Saturday it was not to bring Americans to a Moslem god or a mormon god...

It was to bring them to Jesus, the living God of the Christian Bible...


332 posted on 09/01/2010 12:18:22 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: GOP_Lady

It took a tremendous amount of courage for him to do what he did Saturday.

Did you know that he wore a bullet-proof vest for his wife?
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If you think that was important then it would appear that the really courageous ones were all the 100s of 1000s of men women and children who went there to hear Beck...

They didnt wear bullet-proof vests...

BTW Ive been in Washington DC many times...

I never wore a bullet-proof vest...

Aint I the courageous one ???


333 posted on 09/01/2010 12:24:40 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Errant

Anyone who doesn’t believe the human race is about to enter a Great Tribulation should read the comments on this thread...
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Something started on Saturday according to Beck...

Yeah but not what he thinks...

It was the great shaking of the church...


334 posted on 09/01/2010 12:27:30 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: antceecee

Personal insult rather than answering this simple question?

“Do you think that the Vatican accepts Mormonism as Christian?”


335 posted on 09/01/2010 12:33:06 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Gamecock; Pelham
I sympathize with some of Beck's goals but he left me way back with his race train to nowhere but Panderville.

his grasp of history is at times not in touch with my own

but...a big but....I could give a damn about his newfound Mormonism...I don't believe in what they do largely..no question of that and the concept of latter days prophets and saints and polygamy is whack to me but it's just not on my radar.

i know some here adore Glenn...I used to like him more and I wish him well but he's just a New Conservative which for me ain't much..

he's not much different than many posters here who claim on their homepage they found conservatism recently after a lifetime of leftist affections.,..say like the many moderates who streamed in here after 9-11 for instance or folks who said they couldn't bear Gore or Kerry

the what culture war sorts? Beck claims many mantles but the only one that I see that sticks is Libertarian with 1960s moderate Democrat sensibilities

i promise right here to Beck lovers that I've had my say on Beck for now unless something breaks...you can hold me to it

enjoy your windfall, we don't need anything to distract from this election and if Beck can help there then great

336 posted on 09/01/2010 12:33:27 AM PDT by wardaddy (effed up times..)
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To: ansel12

I stand on my previous response to you.


337 posted on 09/01/2010 12:35:30 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: ansel12; terycarl

......how’s the protestant revolution doing for you?????

I would say pretty good, you like America don’t you?
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LOL

My ancestors were French/Dutch Walloons who come here in 1623 from Leyden

and Huguenots who came here in 1680 from La Rochelle..

You like New York City dont you ???

and I do have those Irish Catholics who came to Rensselaer, NY about 1720...

You do like Leatherstocking tales dont you ???

:)


338 posted on 09/01/2010 12:35:37 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: nowandlater

Yikes, all that because of post 171? It almost sounded like a curse, was it some kind of mormon curse?


339 posted on 09/01/2010 12:36:59 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: antceecee

You never actually gave an answer, by the way the Vatican is very clear that Mormonism is not Christian, if that matters to you as a Roman Catholic.


340 posted on 09/01/2010 12:39:58 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Minus_The_Bear

I’m bigot? Why are you member of a organization that kept blacks from joining until 1979?
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That was 1978 that the mormons were told by their mormon god to let black MEN join...

Still in 30 years there never has been a black man in high office...

and the only Native American who reached the Warrant Officer level was gotten rid of early...

Yes the mormon top echolons are still “white and delightsome” in 2010


341 posted on 09/01/2010 12:40:45 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: antceecee

In the 19802 Mormon kids told my Christian children that they were going to Hell because they were not mormons...


342 posted on 09/01/2010 12:42:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ansel12

What matters to me as a Roman Catholic is the state of my own soul. What matters to me as a Roman Catholic is to love my brother as myself. What matters to me as a Roman Catholic is to engage with others with the humility that our Lord Jesus Christ has asked of us.


343 posted on 09/01/2010 12:43:03 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Does not feel too great to hear that as a child does it? So why don’t we all stop it?


344 posted on 09/01/2010 12:44:09 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Tennessee Nana
You noticed that ??? The shaking in the Church has started...

I hope so.

345 posted on 09/01/2010 12:45:10 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: antceecee

In the 1980s Mormon kids would stand at the fence dividing our church fr54om the nmormon ward house and yell at my Christian children that they were going to Hell because they were not mormons...

The children were egged on by the mormon adults who used to laugh and taunt my little 3 year old girl when she would cry ...

Unfortunately that was the only way to get from the parking lot to the door...

When our pastor spoke to the mormon officials, he was mocked and maligned...


346 posted on 09/01/2010 12:46:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: huldah1776
"Didn’t one of the founding fathers say something about this republic only surviving if the populace lived according to Biblical principles?"

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." -- John Adams, October 11, 1798

347 posted on 09/01/2010 12:52:36 AM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly - 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
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To: Tennessee Nana

I am sorry for your trials at the hands of morons.
I too have the scars of protestant children belittling our faith and my own mother whom they called a whore because she walked up to the corner every day dressed to go to work in town and took the bus.... of course this was in between our prayers and worship to Cleopatra.
There is much ignorance in the world and I think we are truly called to battle it with acceptance and love for our brothers and sisters. Even if they are not “saved” in our eyes.


348 posted on 09/01/2010 12:53:35 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: antceecee

Do you truly believe that Beck staged his gathering to destroy Christianity?
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WHAT ???

Is that what you believe ???


349 posted on 09/01/2010 1:03:10 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: antceecee

Do you truly believe that Beck staged his gathering to destroy Christianity?
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Nothing will ever destroy Christianity...

Jesus built His church and said that NOTHING would ever prevail against her...Matthew 16:18

and NOTHING ever has...

Moslems, Mormons, Heavens Gate, Jim Jones, David Karesh...

None of them got rid of Christianity and replaced what the LORD Jesus Christ of the Christian Bible built...

Although they all tried...and badly failed..

Nobody can fight God and win...

Not Lucifer, not Mohammad, not Joey Smith...


350 posted on 09/01/2010 1:10:21 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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