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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.

TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian
KEYWORDS: beck; cult; cultists; cultofkolob; delusional; delusionaldrydrunk; drydrunk; glenn; glennbeck; glennsgroupies; iwuvglenn; iwuvglenniebeck; kolob; mormon; mormonism
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To: ansel12

Ass... as the one who carried Mary the mother of Christ... meant lovingly....

321 posted on 08/31/2010 11:32:56 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: swheats; Tennessee Nana
Well I know Glenn believes in God...

Well, that makes a flock of, oh what millions and billions?

You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder. (Bible, James 2:19)

...he stated last week he believes in Jesus dying on the Cross.

The previous Mormon "prophet", Gordon B. Hinckley, who was Beck's "prophet" before dying a few years ago, told Beck & other Mormons to play down the cross:
"But for us, the cross is the symbol of the dying Christ, while our message is a declaration of a Living Christ" (Hinckley, "The Symbol of our Faith," official Lds publication Ensign, April 2005 p. 3)

The cross in Mormonism is simply shunned. That's why you can't find a single cross adorned on any single Mormon ward, stakehouse, temple or other facility.

322 posted on 08/31/2010 11:46:34 PM PDT by Colofornian (=)
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To: ansel12

The division Beck is causing is having Christians step up in defense of Mormonism and against Christians that try to raise the flag of warning and awareness.

You noticed that ???

The shaking in the Church has started...

323 posted on 08/31/2010 11:50:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ansel12

And Sumaritans posed itself as the chose people over the Pharisees...and yet Jesus referred to Sumaritans the false faith as those who acted as a Brother and who would be saved over the Pharisees. I think alot of so called Christians will be shocked at what the Lord will judge. Especially you!

324 posted on 08/31/2010 11:52:30 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: Colofornian
"The cross in Mormonism is simply shunned. That's why you can't find a single cross adorned on any single Mormon ward, stakehouse, temple or other facility."

Ditto Christian Science.

325 posted on 08/31/2010 11:52:35 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly - 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
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To: GOP_Lady

And yet that same “late, great Pope John Paul II,” believed that


326 posted on 08/31/2010 11:54:37 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: All

Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing

I love this rendition by my fellow Mormons. I listen to it when I am accused of not being Christian. I plea to you God for my sustenance!

327 posted on 08/31/2010 11:55:06 PM PDT by nowandlater
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To: gwilhelm56; terycarl; Elsie

I Refuse to deal with bigoted idiots like you..

You wait till Elsie gets here...

Elsie will show you just how bigoted the mormons really are...

328 posted on 08/31/2010 11:58:14 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: GOP_Lady

VALUES like mormon Harry Reid has...

Yeah thats the ticket...

329 posted on 08/31/2010 11:59:51 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: swheats

Misquote the Christian Bible much ???

330 posted on 09/01/2010 12:04:00 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Do you truly believe that Beck staged his gathering to destroy Christianity?

331 posted on 09/01/2010 12:08:28 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: ansel12

I was at the first Gathering of Eagles...

It was a great day...freezing cold but our hearts were warm..

It wasnt turned into a all-religions-are-equal revival like Becks gathering was...

We were there for the country and the military and the veterans...

As an American and a veteran, thats what I expected, thats what I went for, and thats what I got...

If Beck had kept the tone and aim at patriotism etc there would not have been this discisiveness now...

But no...

Glenn Beck has to be the mormon Billy Graham...the mormon Grandma Moses...

If God used Beck on Saturday it was not to bring Americans to a Moslem god or a mormon god...

It was to bring them to Jesus, the living God of the Christian Bible...

332 posted on 09/01/2010 12:18:22 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: GOP_Lady

It took a tremendous amount of courage for him to do what he did Saturday.

Did you know that he wore a bullet-proof vest for his wife?

If you think that was important then it would appear that the really courageous ones were all the 100s of 1000s of men women and children who went there to hear Beck...

They didnt wear bullet-proof vests...

BTW Ive been in Washington DC many times...

I never wore a bullet-proof vest...

Aint I the courageous one ???

333 posted on 09/01/2010 12:24:40 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Errant

Anyone who doesn’t believe the human race is about to enter a Great Tribulation should read the comments on this thread...

Something started on Saturday according to Beck...

Yeah but not what he thinks...

It was the great shaking of the church...

334 posted on 09/01/2010 12:27:30 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: antceecee

Personal insult rather than answering this simple question?

“Do you think that the Vatican accepts Mormonism as Christian?”

335 posted on 09/01/2010 12:33:06 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: Gamecock; Pelham
I sympathize with some of Beck's goals but he left me way back with his race train to nowhere but Panderville.

his grasp of history is at times not in touch with my own

but...a big but....I could give a damn about his newfound Mormonism...I don't believe in what they do question of that and the concept of latter days prophets and saints and polygamy is whack to me but it's just not on my radar.

i know some here adore Glenn...I used to like him more and I wish him well but he's just a New Conservative which for me ain't much..

he's not much different than many posters here who claim on their homepage they found conservatism recently after a lifetime of leftist affections.,..say like the many moderates who streamed in here after 9-11 for instance or folks who said they couldn't bear Gore or Kerry

the what culture war sorts? Beck claims many mantles but the only one that I see that sticks is Libertarian with 1960s moderate Democrat sensibilities

i promise right here to Beck lovers that I've had my say on Beck for now unless something can hold me to it

enjoy your windfall, we don't need anything to distract from this election and if Beck can help there then great

336 posted on 09/01/2010 12:33:27 AM PDT by wardaddy (effed up times..)
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To: ansel12

I stand on my previous response to you.

337 posted on 09/01/2010 12:35:30 AM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: ansel12; terycarl’s the protestant revolution doing for you?????

I would say pretty good, you like America don’t you?


My ancestors were French/Dutch Walloons who come here in 1623 from Leyden

and Huguenots who came here in 1680 from La Rochelle..

You like New York City dont you ???

and I do have those Irish Catholics who came to Rensselaer, NY about 1720...

You do like Leatherstocking tales dont you ???


338 posted on 09/01/2010 12:35:37 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: nowandlater

Yikes, all that because of post 171? It almost sounded like a curse, was it some kind of mormon curse?

339 posted on 09/01/2010 12:36:59 AM PDT by ansel12
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To: antceecee

You never actually gave an answer, by the way the Vatican is very clear that Mormonism is not Christian, if that matters to you as a Roman Catholic.

340 posted on 09/01/2010 12:39:58 AM PDT by ansel12
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