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I am sorry Glenn but I cannot join you
Reformation Theology ^ | Pastor John Samson

Posted on 08/31/2010 6:42:35 PM PDT by Gamecock

I really like Glenn Beck. Though I have never met him in person, I have often watched his television programs and thought it would be so nice to have that kind of a guy as a friend. I imagine that he is far too busy and way too inaccessible for that to become a reality, but I do genuinely like the man. He is insightful, articulate, funny, and seems to want some great things for his family and our nation. I do think that sometimes he has one or two conspiracy theories that may not be fully justified - we shall see - but all in all, Glenn seems to be a really nice guy.

I share many of the same goals as Glenn. I speak as one born in England but now very much a U.S. citizen. All my children were born here in these United States and I live and pray for America to become in all reality, "one nation under God." I love America. I sincerely believe Glenn does too.

But I do have a problem - not a problem with him as a person in any way at all, but when he asks me to join him in praying for the very same things I wish for my country, I just cannot. I can pray for these things privately, and with fellow Christians, of course, and I do. I just cannot stand with Glenn in a public setting and be comfortable while I know he is praying to a false god. How could I ever say "Amen" at the end of his prayer that people would turn back to the god he serves? I just cannot do it. That is because Glenn Beck is a Mormon. The "god" he prays to is not in any way the same God as mine.

I know.. I know.. even saying this is politically and religiously incorrect, but I cannot help but say it. When Glenn Beck speaks of "god" we need to remember that he uses a different dictionary to Christians. The God of the Bible is One in essence and eternally exists in three co-equal Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!

A dear fellow Christian, in coming to understand where I am on this issue wrote to me today saying, "I like Glenn Beck and appreciate his effort to bring America back to her godly roots. He is doing a great job in uniting government, church, and media. He does speak from a Mormon perspective but still has a heart of seeing America return to God even though he might not have the same theological view as we do."

I responded by saying, " I understand you - but I cannot agree that Mormonism is in any way "godly." According to the Bible, there is nothing at all godly about false religion. Godliness is not just about acts of service, honor, integrity, courage and the like, as wonderful as these things are, but it also includes worship of the One true God and the avoidance of all forms of idolatry. Mormonism is idolatrous worship and when Glenn Beck prays, despite his intentions, he prays to a false god who cannot help either Mr. Beck or America."

I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship. Now I may not be the sharpest tool in the drawer, but I do tend to get the distinct impression that God didn't like the worship - yeah, the ground opening up and swallowing the worshippers.. hmmm... it does lead me to believe that God was somehow ticked, wouldn't you say?

And then I wonder what God would feel about a "prophet" in the Old Testament asking Baal to bring Israel back to its godly roots. I think in such times, he would be stoned. In Deuteronomy 18:20 God says to His people, "But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die."

God often tested His people by seeing if they would be true to Him even as false prophets tried to lure them away from Himself. God says, "If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder that he tells you comes to pass, and if he says, ‘Let us go after other gods,’ which you have not known, ‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams. For the Lord your God is testing you, to know whether you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the Lord your God and fear him and keep his commandments and obey his voice, and you shall serve him and hold fast to him. But that prophet or that dreamer of dreams shall be put to death, because he has taught rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you out of the house of slavery, to make you leave the way in which the Lord your God commanded you to walk. So you shall purge the evil from your midst" (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

Thank God for grace!!! (we don't stone false prophets now) but I believe God's feelings about false worship have not changed. As Glenn Beck calls this nation to pray for some very valuable, important and even vital things, I ask now, is God testing us in the same way today? Perhaps God has raised Glenn Beck up for this very purpose, to test our hearts. Just a thought!

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, the one and only God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the eternal One, Yahweh, the great I AM, the Alpha and Omega, who is from everlasting to everlasting.

So, though I really like you Glenn, thanks for the invite, but I cannot join you.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian
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To: Tucsonican

If I pray to a Cadillac but think Im praying to a Toyota...Im not praying to a Cadillac.


51 posted on 08/31/2010 7:17:03 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: ReneeLynn
"Cut it out, dude. Get your eyes on the prize and off the MSM talking points."

That's the same mentality that brought us a corrupt and worthless GOP.

52 posted on 08/31/2010 7:17:20 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Texas Fossil
You know, most of what I know about Morman theology, I consider only partially Biblical, and I think is silly. That's not the point. The point is that this is the first person I have seen stand up in a public place, risk his life, and condemn America for losing it's way, and BE COVERED BY THE MEDIA SO THAT AMERICANS CAN EXAMINE THEMSELVES. The guy has brass, the guy has heart, and if Pastor Gramm's son had done it by now, you probably wouldn't know about it because the press REALLY wouldn't have covered it.

To sum up...yes, I think he is on theologically shakey ground, but he is doing the job we all should have been doing, but didn't or couldn't. I say, even if I am sure I am more right, and even if the Bible agrees with me, it is not my job to judge the state of his soul, and he may come round. God's job. If some of you folks REALLY want to impress me, write a thank you letter to him, and AFTER you congratulate him, compose specific paragraphs on WHY you disagree with him. Kindly. Honestly. But do more than say, "we should walk away from the great message he passes, and the way he risked his life to stand in the breech while we sat in our nice, safe homes, because he's not hearing Jesus entirely clearly." Put your witness where your gripe is, kindly, and clearly. But thank the man first.

53 posted on 08/31/2010 7:17:26 PM PDT by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here.)
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To: barmag25

AMEN!!!


54 posted on 08/31/2010 7:19:03 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Domandred; Gamecock
"This guys just another “I won’t listen to anything Beck says because he’s a Mormon” bigot in my book."

Sign me up for that because I ain't listening to jack that Beck says. His god is no more real than the god of the Muslims and I dang sure ain't listening to them either.

55 posted on 08/31/2010 7:19:43 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: swheats

Becks jesus is the brother of Lucifer.

That ain’t my God.


56 posted on 08/31/2010 7:20:39 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: TheGunny
It's called VALUES.
57 posted on 08/31/2010 7:22:01 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: ReneeLynn

Beck is the biggest breakthrough that Mormonism has ever had in reaching new converts, Beck is mainstreaming Mormonism and becoming the national leader of conservative Christians, he is becoming our national minister.

The division Beck is causing is having Christians step up in defense of Mormonism and against Christians that try to raise the flag of warning and awareness.


58 posted on 08/31/2010 7:22:31 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: 50sDad
You know that Thomas Jefferson guy? He was a filthy Deist!!!!!

Did Jefferson as you to unite and pray to his god?

59 posted on 08/31/2010 7:23:35 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl
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To: Gamecock
You pray to your God, I'll pray to my Gods, Glenn will pray to his God...

This should be enough for any self respecting Deity.

60 posted on 08/31/2010 7:24:00 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III, Alarm and Muster)
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To: The Worthless Miracle

Not until the “Last Day”...


61 posted on 08/31/2010 7:24:37 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: GOP_Lady

Are you going to tell us how Mormons are good Christians, and that you are a believing Catholic?


62 posted on 08/31/2010 7:25:14 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: yarddog
Because Glen is praying to a God who doesn’t exist.

Show me a piece of yours and I'll believe your God exists.

63 posted on 08/31/2010 7:25:26 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

I have an answer for you.

As JOHN ADAMS said in the film “1776:”

“OH, GOOD GOD!”


64 posted on 08/31/2010 7:25:53 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: gwilhelm56

Now I remember why I stopped going to “””Christian””” Churches...

O.k. you lose....Jesus came to earth to save humanity....you can turn it down if you wish, but I’d stock up on sun tan lotion if I were you, going to ba very hot unless you accept Christ


65 posted on 08/31/2010 7:26:54 PM PDT by terycarl (interested and informed)
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To: ansel12
MORMONS ARE CHRISTIANS.

From a Polish Catholic, like the late, great Pope John Paul II, who lives in the township next to Kirtland, Ohio.

GET OVER IT!

66 posted on 08/31/2010 7:27:57 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: skeeter

“Lets try to keep focused on the immediate problem here...”

Agreed.

I’ve been having fun with my tagline, and trying to change it before it gets too stale.

So let me go for a little change again.


67 posted on 08/31/2010 7:29:13 PM PDT by jocon307 (No enemies on the right, from now until November)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Well at least you admit you are a bigot.


68 posted on 08/31/2010 7:29:40 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: terycarl

Get Over yourself you brainless twit. I Refuse to deal with bigoted idiots like you..


69 posted on 08/31/2010 7:29:50 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Enough of Obama's Recovery ... Can I have my Bush Recession Back??)
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To: Domandred
If you think Glenn’s God is not your God take Glenn’s message to mean get close to your God and still teach the founding principles of liberty, faith, hope and charity.

Didn't Glenn say essentially that in his speech on Saturday?

70 posted on 08/31/2010 7:30:31 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: GOP_Lady
Ummm wrong... Mormons are not Christians. Watch this & you will understand...

God never sinned
71 posted on 08/31/2010 7:31:03 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Bodleian_Girl
Did Jefferson as you to unite and pray to his god?

Nope, neither did Beck. They both asked you to pray to YOUR God.

72 posted on 08/31/2010 7:31:39 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Gamecock

Everyone has a right to an opinion, but not all opinions can be honorably held.

For a pastor to pronounce that anyone who doesn’t attend his particular church is doomed to damnation is about as bigoted as a human can get.

I suppose that if people happen to live on a moon of Jupiter they are beyond hope because the don’t have a copy of your prayer book?

I think Kipling was closer to the mark when he said, “There are nine and sixty ways of constructing tribal lays - and every single one of them is right.”

When you send up your presumedly sincere prayers, do you suppose the deity is going to send them back with the notation, “You spelled my name wrong! So Go To HELL! ???”

I like to think HE is better than that.


73 posted on 08/31/2010 7:32:04 PM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Not interested, thank you.


74 posted on 08/31/2010 7:32:27 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Tucsonican

Bingo!!


75 posted on 08/31/2010 7:33:28 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Your post brought this to mind. Check out 1 Kings 18 start at verse 20.

I pray that Beck wont take the time to defend himself. Let God vindicate him. This will definately sharpen up what he believes. We must remember we don’t wrestle with flesh and blood but against principalities and spiritual wickedness in high places. Even now there are times we entertain devils unaware, just as we entertain angels, until they show themselves.


76 posted on 08/31/2010 7:33:48 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: SuziQ

He sure did.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand something so simple?

Why can’t we come together on what we agree on and work together?


77 posted on 08/31/2010 7:34:23 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: Tucsonican
I’m curious; if there is but one God then how the heck can Beck be praying to a “different” god?

In Beck's religion, he will become a God they all do, didn't you read the article?

"Mormons reject this completely, believing that there are many worlds controlled by different gods and the god of this planet was once a man. The Jesus of Mormonism is the begotten offspring of this exalted man in sexual union with one of his many wives, and this god lives on a planet circling a star named Kolob, and his "gospel" is the message of how you, too, can be exalted to godhood. Christianity is Monotheistic. Mormonism is the most polytheistic religion in the world. Doctrine matters folks and deceived people, deceive people!"

78 posted on 08/31/2010 7:34:42 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: ansel12

Oh, pish. Glenn Beck isn’t considered any Christian’s ‘minister’. That’s really over-reacting.


79 posted on 08/31/2010 7:35:32 PM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: GOP_Lady

Hey “Lady” sell crazy somewhere else. Why on earth would I, a Christian, bother to sow prayers with someone praying to another god? Do you really believe that when Jesus said, “that where two or three gather in My name, there I am also.” That He was talking about unbelievers too?? Seriously, I think this Pastor was making a theological argument and you are on very shaky ground.


80 posted on 08/31/2010 7:36:52 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: Gamecock

“We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately (attributed).” - At the signing of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776

True today also no matter who said it. We can all fist-fight AFTER we vote the bamster and his crew out.


81 posted on 08/31/2010 7:37:28 PM PDT by Free in Texas (When they come for your guns, give 'em your bullets first.)
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To: Gamecock

Boy the ‘pastors’ and ‘reverends’ are out in force with the stupidity tonight


82 posted on 08/31/2010 7:37:33 PM PDT by Mr. K (Physically unable to proofreed (<---oops! see?))
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To: Gamecock
I can remember reading about the worshippers of the golden calf. They had high family values and were absolutely sincere in their worship.

Relevant, cutting edge and seeker friendly, too.

83 posted on 08/31/2010 7:38:08 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Bodleian_Girl
Sam Adams was a fool if he prayed to any man’s god, instead of Jehovah.

Samuel Adams prayed to God, in his way, but he was simply stating that he would not refuse to pray with anyone else. There is but one God, though some call Him by different names, and approach Him in different ways of worship. If someone believes in God as the Author of Life, I don't care WHAT they call Him.

84 posted on 08/31/2010 7:38:38 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: The Worthless Miracle

Oh brother...it’s all interpretation. Muslims would disagree, so would wiccans - no one wins these “My God is real” arguments.

sure they do, only one God is real and the Moslems, wiccans, hindus, bhuddists all know that somehow their religions lack that which Christianity has to offer.......salvation through Jesus Christ. Mankind fell to the point that a savior was necessary to atone for their sins, Jesus came to earth, sacrificed His life for us, and founded the Catholic church so that we could continue His teachings throughout the rest of time......good plan!!


85 posted on 08/31/2010 7:39:47 PM PDT by terycarl (interested and informed)
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To: GOP_Lady

Spoken from a true place of ignorance...how does it feel to live there?


86 posted on 08/31/2010 7:39:56 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: ansel12

I was at the rally on Saturday. Religious theology was NOT mentioned. I’m a Baptist preacher’s kid and don’t have a problem with Beck being a Mormon. Whatever works for him is great. Instead of dividing this country over our differences we should hang together or we will hang separately.


87 posted on 08/31/2010 7:40:18 PM PDT by flynmudd (Proud Navy Mom)
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To: TheGunny

So you’re saying all those people that showed up Saturday in person and online are just flat out wrong.

Since we’re all so bold to speak for God I believe He was pleased with the spirit of the event...Unity.


88 posted on 08/31/2010 7:40:29 PM PDT by swheats (America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self-control, Thy liberty in law!)
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To: TheGunny

FYI ...

I live in the #4 county in the nation in which to raise a family according to FORBES MAGAZINE.

Does that answer your question?


89 posted on 08/31/2010 7:41:27 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: TheGunny
I'm glad that you were not one of our Founding Fathers, like Sam Adams, then, because this country's values would sure have been different. That's all I have to say.
90 posted on 08/31/2010 7:43:29 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: 50sDad

I spent 14 year living in Western NM. (1972-1986) I had many Mormon friends. Have yet to meet one that I did not find a good family man, most were very honest and I frankly liked them.

For 2 years I was Republican County Chairman in Grant County. The Dem to Rep. registration ratio was 5 Dems to 1 Rep. It was a mine-union town. The three groups that I could always count on at the polls were the rock-ribbed Rep. Ranchers, the Mormons and the John Birchers. I had differences of opinion and beliefs with the latter 2, but they were always there to fight the political battles.

I also have good historic grasp of how the Mormon church was formed. Some of that history is not written. And the description of other parts are only sold in a brown paper wrapper under the counter in Utah.

God has used even non-believers to accomplish his ends. (example Cyrus the Great freeing the Jews from Babalonian Captivity)

Beck is correct, the battle we are fighting is about faith, truth, morals and the rule of law. (Many of our laws have biblical origin.)

Lets put asside our differences and get on with the battle with the evil one and his surrogates.


91 posted on 08/31/2010 7:43:45 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one.)
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To: 50sDad

God can use anyone to work his will. He changed the heart of a pagan Moabite, Ruth from whose line descended Jesus. He used another pagan prostitute, Rahab, to hide his spies. She also became an ancestor of Jesus. He use the pagan Cyrus of Persia to send the Jews to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. He used a theologically challenged Ethiopian eunuch to take the gospel to Africa.

He even used a donkey.

God can use Glenn Beck, too, to work his purpose in America. The fact that he is Mormon will not stop the Lord. His arm is not too short. If Beck is truly saved, he will eventually enter heaven. However, saved or not, the Lord can still use him.


92 posted on 08/31/2010 7:44:36 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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Anyone who doesn't believe the human race is about to enter a Great Tribulation should read the comments on this thread...


93 posted on 08/31/2010 7:44:51 PM PDT by Errant
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To: TheGunny

THEOLOGICAL = VALUES.


94 posted on 08/31/2010 7:45:02 PM PDT by GOP_Lady
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To: GOP_Lady

MORMONS ARE CHRISTIAN

no they aren’t


95 posted on 08/31/2010 7:45:35 PM PDT by terycarl (interested and informed)
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To: 50sDad

God can use anyone to work his will. He changed the heart of a pagan Moabite, Ruth from whose line descended Jesus. He used another pagan prostitute, Rahab, to hide his spies. She also became an ancestor of Jesus. He use the pagan Cyrus of Persia to send the Jews to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple. He used a theologically challenged Ethiopian eunuch to take the gospel to Africa.

He even used a donkey.

God can use Glenn Beck, too, to work his purpose in America. The fact that he is Mormon will not stop the Lord. His arm is not too short. If Beck is truly saved, he will eventually enter heaven. However, saved or not, the Lord can still use him.


96 posted on 08/31/2010 7:45:40 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: SuziQ

That’s the broad message I got.


97 posted on 08/31/2010 7:45:50 PM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: All

What an absolute dumbass Pastor Samson is.

Being Mormon is irrelevant.


98 posted on 08/31/2010 7:46:25 PM PDT by rbmillerjr
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To: ReneeLynn

That pretty well sums it up, although the “Jesus loves me best” crowd won’t like it that much.


99 posted on 08/31/2010 7:47:33 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Bodleian_Girl
Is this you?


100 posted on 08/31/2010 7:48:02 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear (These fragments I have shored against my ruins)
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