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Evangelical Scholar Troubled by Theological Ambiguity at Beck Rally (Many Christians Seem Confused)
Christian Post ^ | 09/02/2010 | Nathan Black

Posted on 09/02/2010 6:59:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

In the days following Glenn Beck's highly publicized rally in Washington, D.C., conservative Christians have come out expressing their concern not over the increasingly popular broadcaster, but over the apparent confusion among Christ followers.

"There is something very strange going on here. I don't understand the disconnect on the part of Christians," said Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr., president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky.

Americans from across the country converged on the National Mall on Saturday for the "Restoring Honor" rally led by Fox News commentator Beck. Reports indicate that the event drew anywhere from 87,000 to 500,000 people. Beck, a Mormon, was joined by a diverse group of religious leaders – including evangelical Christians – as he called on America to turn back to God.

Mohler, one of the nation’s pre-eminent evangelical theologians, found that Beck's rally cries were resonating with many Christians.

"What concerned me about that event on the mall was not so much Glenn Beck and the politicians in the program; it was the picture of those religious leaders standing together," he said Tuesday on The Janet Mefferd Show.

During Saturday’s three-hour event, over 200 religious leaders stood behind Beck, linking arms at certain points. Dr. Richard Land, a well-known Southern Baptist, and Bishop Harry Jackson of Hope Christian Church in Maryland were among the conservative Christians standing there.

While Land does not agree with Beck's theology, he told National Public Radio that the event was about a deep concern of Americans that the country has taken "a fundamentally wrong turn and is headed in the wrong direction."

Jim Garlow, pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in San Diego, Calif., who was also at the event, said the rally was about extolling virtue and honoring God.

And the event was evangelical in tone, he said in a commentary on CNN.

"Despite the pre-rally discussions of Beck’s Mormonism, the rally’s litany of evangelical speakers gave it the Jesus-centeredness of a Billy Graham Crusade. All theological references were clearly evangelical and biblically based," Garlow wrote.

After observing the rally, Mohler came away with a different take and a big concern.

"The bottom line is ... we've been used and we've allowed ourselves to be used at times by politicians and others who co-opted God talk," he said Tuesday on The Janet Mefferd Show.

"We (conservative Christians in America) … have just assumed that because they were using our language, they were talking about the same Gospel or talking about the same understanding of God or talking about the same theological structure and that's just not true," he stressed.

Mohler doesn't disagree on uniting with others on common concerns and moral convictions.

But he underscored the need to "distinguish that from standing together in the faith."

"One of the healthiest things that can happen among conservative Christians is the ability to recognize, to discern the difference between civil religion and authentic Christianity," he explained.

The conservative theologian said he and many other believers agree with Beck on many of his political views. He also expressed appreciation for how Beck identifies "many really horrible and very dangerous liberal ideas."

But "[j]ust to debunk liberal ideas does not give you then the authority to be taken at your word ... to be speaking truth when then you talk about the Gospel," he cautioned.

"We just have to be mature Christians [and say] 'let's look at the Scripture. Let's look at what is being said here. We have a problem."

Continuing, Mohler outlined the fact that Mormons hold to a very different understanding of God than that of Christian theism.

"We're talking about very different deities here," he said. "And I think many Christians just have no idea as they were watching that event."

"How many American Christians who are watching that (rally) and resonating with the call for spiritual revival know that the man who is up there speaking, using words about Gospel and God and all the rest, believes that there was a male and a female deity, that the Godhead is a reproductive pair, that eventually we will be divine ourselves if indeed we follow the path of righteousness?" Mohler added.

Since January, Beck has been working on the themes of faith, hope and charity. He said his aim is to restore history, honor, and "our faith" in the country.

The popular commentator has discussed the Gospel of Jesus Christ repeatedly on his television program, even using evangelical language such as atonement through the shed blood of Christ.

But Mohler commented, "That's bizarre language for a Mormon to be using in this light and to have evangelical Christians affirm that he's talking about the same Gospel we are ... it's the same language but it's not the same Gospel."

What both Mohler and Mefferd believe is happening is spiritual rallying on vague terms.

"When we see some of the talk that has come out of the rally and some of the people associated with the rally, all about God, God, God, I just have really strongly felt that it needs to be a very precise definition when we bring God into the discussion on anything," radio host Mefferd stated.

Mohler described the scenario as having all the cards on the table but turned over so that the faces are not seen.

"You're having the language, but you're not having the definitions here," he noted.

"It really is not so much a concern politically, it's a concern theologically. If we are Christians, we have to understand the name of God is not just some kind of generic noun we can throw around."

While Mohler recognized that some Christians would be irritated listening to his take on Beck and the rally, the theologian hopes they'll be irritated enough to go and look at Scripture.

Amid the theological ambiguity and confusion, Mohler reminded Christians that a revival or spiritual renewal cannot happen without a heart that has known salvation through Jesus Christ.

"You can't have spiritual renewal where biblically speaking there's spiritual deadness," he said. "The reality is we can't biblically believe that they really know the one true and living God unless they know Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord."


TOPICS: Current Events; Ecumenism; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: beck; evangelical; glennbeck; inman; lds; mohler; mormon; rally; restoringhonorrally; theology
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To: FourPeas; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
I’m glad Dr. Mohler is speaking up. I see this as a trial of God’s people, a temptation to follow a false gospel. I believe Mr. Beck is using the language of evangelicals to garner their favor, and with it their power, be it through popularity/listeners/viewers, or financial gain, or some other endeavor. I do agree with much of Beck’s stated political philosophy, but as Mohler pointed out, agreeing on political philosophy doesn’t give anyone automatic credibility when it comes to spiritual matters.

Well stated. For a summary of the covert mormon theology found in Beck's speech Click Here

51 posted on 09/02/2010 7:58:08 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (BARF of the YEAR: Obama "We are God's partners in matters of life and death,")
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To: MEGoody

A person’s eternal soul is a very important thing.


52 posted on 09/02/2010 7:58:20 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

ping


53 posted on 09/02/2010 7:58:24 AM PDT by AngieGal
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To: FairWitness
Because Mormans are truly not Christians. Beck is selling something many don't want to buy.

"What Mormons Think of Christ" (LDS publication, pages 32-34): "Christians speak often of the blood of Christ and its cleansing power. Much is believed and taught on this subject, however, it is utter nonsense and so palpably false that to believe it is to lose one's salvation."

54 posted on 09/02/2010 7:59:19 AM PDT by fml
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To: FairWitness
"Glen Beck was raised as a Roman Catholic as I recall. I believe that he knows and understands Chrisianity perfectly well. I would not be surprised that his conversion to Mormonism is as much to help his recovery from alcoholism as anything else.."

I thought I heard Beck say at one time that the reason he "converted to Mormonism" was so that he could marry his "hot" wife (who is a Mormon).

55 posted on 09/02/2010 7:59:43 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (BP was founder of Cap & Trade Lobby and is linked to John Podesta, The Apollo Alliance and Obama)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, then, Christians have to do a better job of educating their followers. But why then couch the article as warning it is dangerous to stand shoulder to shoulder on social and moral issues with someone who believes differently from you theologically? And why specifically tear down Beck when there were many religious leaders there also (and Beck isn’t a religious leader)?

My point is what many others have said: we need to find ways we can combine our strengths, not tear each other apart. I think it is possible without compromising theology in any way. Otherwise we make the perfect the enemy of the good, to the benefit of evil.


56 posted on 09/02/2010 8:01:24 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: FourPeas
A person’s eternal soul is a very important thing.

Indeed, but this wasn't a revival meeting or a church service designed to tell the doctrinal truth to people. The purpose of Beck's meeting was to bring together people who believe that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values. There are many variances in doctrine among that group, but they do share that one thing in common.

57 posted on 09/02/2010 8:03:12 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: FourPeas

Would you like a Christian source or an LDS source?


58 posted on 09/02/2010 8:05:46 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: FourPeas

http://contenderministries.org/mormonism/comparison.php

I’m not real familar with this ministry, but the matrix seems comprehensive. Others here will correct it if it’s wrong, I’m sure!


59 posted on 09/02/2010 8:07:05 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: Joann37
And yes, it’s troubling that Beck’s faith deviates a lot from the Bible, but as others have noted, he hasn’t incorporated any tenets of Mormonism, so far, into his speech.

Beck is unorthodox in how he expresses mormon salvation - that is true. But one must also recognize that the tenets of mormonism for general public consumption are found in standard Christian terms and phrases that to the mormon have been redefined from what Christians understand them to be. For example the use of the term "salvation" to a Christian it means only one thing - our forgiveness of sin by God's grace (unmerited favor) and eternal life with God. To the mormon it means two - a general resurrection of one of several levels of 'heaven' and later exultation to godhood for those worthy mormons.

So this slight of hand makes it difficult for the average Joe Christian to see the differences. Mormons use the same talk, but the real meaning is often very different.

BTW, the comment about the similar things happening in America as with Moses - refrence to the book of mormon fictious history of early America.

60 posted on 09/02/2010 8:09:17 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Matchett-PI

“I thought I heard Beck say at one time that the reason he “converted to Mormonism” was so that he could marry his “hot” wife (who is a Mormon).”

That’s what I heard, too! He seems so perceptive about politics and concerned with authenticity (our Constitution, for example), so I’m surprised he’d deviate from Scripture and go for Joseph Smith’s brand of Christianity.


61 posted on 09/02/2010 8:09:47 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: Matchett-PI
I thought I heard Beck say at one time that the reason he "converted to Mormonism" was so that he could marry his "hot" wife (who is a Mormon).

I suspect a great many men (myself included) could give a similar reason for the church they attend. As I also said above, I suspect Glen appreciates the support that family and friends in the Mormon community give to avoiding alcohol.

62 posted on 09/02/2010 8:10:16 AM PDT by FairWitness (Everything is easy, once you've done it once)
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To: FourPeas

Some good Christian sources.

http://www.irr.org/mit/is-mormonism-christian.html

http://contenderministries.org/mormonism/comparison.php

A Mormon source, (you will find little overt information here, you will have to dig deeper.)
http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/response/general/christians/


63 posted on 09/02/2010 8:10:50 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: SVTCobra03
Jesus saved us by dying on the cross for our sins and being resurrected.

Not so sure about that.

Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. (Mark 16:16)

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. (John 3:16-18)

Salvation apparently comes to any ... any ... who believe in Jesus (and, apparently, are willing to admit and act on that belief). Distressingly simple.

I suspect that nobody -- not Glenn Beck, nor even Dr. Mohler -- really understands Jesus well enough to believe in what He truly is. And yet I suspect that Jesus understands and makes allowances for our lack of knowledge: it is the fact of believing at all, our basic mindset, that matters, not the correctness of our personal image of what Jesus really is.

The meaning of the crucifixion is discussed in Hebrews 10: "And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Heb. 10:10)

Sanctification means "to free from sin: Purify."

Jesus' sacrifice was "for all" -- it's sanctification for everyone who ever lived. And yet He says that not everyone will be saved. So although sanctification is no doubt necessary for salvation (we must be clean before we can be with God), it is not sufficient.

The resurrection is interesting: Jesus, who is co-eternal with God (John 1), cannot die. The resurrection was not necessary for Jesus' sake. The resurrection of Jesus was done for our sake -- to show us, I guess, that even death cannot stand up to God.

64 posted on 09/02/2010 8:13:37 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: FourPeas; colorcountry

http://www.mrm.org/

http://www.irr.org/

http://www.4witness.org/index.php

http://www.utlm.org/

http://www.hotm.tv/

All good sources of mormon doctrine, history and teachings with sound Biblical contrasts.


65 posted on 09/02/2010 8:14:39 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: greyfoxx39

Your link was exxcellant in pin-pointing where Beck inserted Mormonism into his speech. But to those without understanding of Mormonism they would not at all pick up on those references. I even noted the covered wagon slide used as they presented America...”overtone” could easily have been understood to a Mormon.

I say again...caution with Beck on his beginning to preach about God....should he press the Mormonism slant much further he will loose the Christian community.


66 posted on 09/02/2010 8:17:25 AM PDT by caww
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To: Coldwater Creek
Mike Huckabee grounded in true scripture?

Oh, really?

Do you agree that it is “Unchristian” for the government to deny illegal aliens benefits?

Is this belief of Huckabee “grounded in true scripture”?

How about his “Soggy Bottom Boys” theology that if one is forgiven by God, they should be pardoned for their crimes?

Pete: Well I'll be a sonofabitch. Delmar's been saved.
Delmar O'Donnell: Well that's it, boys. I've been redeemed. The preacher's done warshed away all my sins and transgressions. It's the straight and narrow from here on out, and heaven everlasting’s my reward.
Ulysses Everett McGill: Delmar, what are you talking about? We've got bigger fish to fry.
Delmar O'Donnell: The preacher says all my sins is warshed away, including that Piggly Wiggly I knocked over in Yazoo.
Ulysses Everett McGill: I thought you said you was innocent of those charges?
Delmar O'Donnell: Well I was lyin’. And the preacher says that that sin's been warshed away too. Neither God nor man's got nothin’ on me now. C’mon in boys, the water is fine.

****************

Pete: The Preacher said it absolved us.
Ulysses Everett McGill: For him, not for the law. I'm surprised at you, Pete, I gave you credit for more brains than Delmar.
Delmar O'Donnell: But they was witnesses that seen us redeemed.
Ulysses Everett McGill: That's not the issue Delmar. Even if that did put you square with the Lord, the State of Mississippi's a little more hard-nosed.

67 posted on 09/02/2010 8:17:52 AM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: SeekAndFind

**”Despite the pre-rally discussions of Beck’s Mormonism**

I wish all the media would get it correct. Beck is a Catholic, a lapsed one, at that, but, nevertheless a Catholic.

His wife talked him into joining the Mormon Church (guess who has the strong arm in that family? <sarc off)


68 posted on 09/02/2010 8:17:58 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
"It really is not so much a concern politically, it's a concern theologically. If we are Christians, we have to understand the name of God is not just some kind of generic noun we can throw around."

The problem is the seeker friendly, prosperity churches that never teach the gospel or scripture..so the members are theologically, scripturally ignorant of the gospel or people that are willing to compromise their faith for politics sake..

God is jealous for His name ..and has no patience for false gods..

69 posted on 09/02/2010 8:19:12 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: stuartcr
Couldn’t one just believe, non-biblically?

Sure.. we call that lost

70 posted on 09/02/2010 8:20:31 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: greyfoxx39

BTTT


71 posted on 09/02/2010 8:20:54 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Blood of Tyrants
It seems to me that I disagree mostly with Beck on doctrine, not on the basics about Christianity.

Becks doctrine is not Christianity

72 posted on 09/02/2010 8:21:45 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Pete
First, clearly each of those people believed in Jesus. That is why they were saved. But, note, that was before his death and resurrection and before God provided the New Testament.

But Jesus makes it clear that it is belief that saves, even now. (see, e.g., John 3, Mark 16).

Paul makes it clear that there is a specific Gospel that must be understood and that it can only be understood if it is preached. Thus the call to evangelism in the Great Commission.

Knowing and understanding the Gospel is good and necessary. Teaching people about the Gospel helps people to know about Jesus, and therefore believe in Him. But many people who do not believe, nevertheless know and understand the Gospels -- just knowing and understanding does not confer salvation. Only belief does that.

don't believe that a correct understanding of doctrine is a check list. It isn't equivalent to legalism (saved by what we do rather than what we believe).

But it's not necessary for salvation, either.

73 posted on 09/02/2010 8:22:09 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: SeekAndFind

lds use that same words but they mean completely different things. Beck as all lds is working for godhood, which is something they teach.


74 posted on 09/02/2010 8:22:31 AM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: r9etb

The crucifiction cannot stand without the ressurection.... ‘Sin brings forth death’...the crucifiction paid the price....the ressurection brought salvation to eternal life.


75 posted on 09/02/2010 8:23:14 AM PDT by caww
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To: Blood of Tyrants
"It seems to me that I disagree mostly with Beck on doctrine, not on the basics about Christianity."

I'm not sure what you mean here. "Doctrine" means "anything that is taught" --- indicating all teachings, at whatever level. It is a very general term, and includes "the basics about Christianity".

76 posted on 09/02/2010 8:23:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of information.)
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To: MEGoody

****The purpose of Beck’s meeting was to bring together people who believe that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values. There are many variances in doctrine among that group, but they do share that one thing in common.****

Ahhhh, but let’s look at where Mormonism and Christianity differ, that is really more useful:

-Mormons believe that you can become your own god, Christians believe in one God.
-Mormons believe you can convert after death, Christians don’t
-Mormons deny the Trinity, Christians embrace that truth.
-Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are spiritual brothers, Christians, well don’t
-Mormons believe the Holy Spirit had sexual relations with Mary. Christians don’t.

The above are not a couple of minor difference, but more akin to the difference between say, Pelosi and Palin.


77 posted on 09/02/2010 8:23:31 AM PDT by Gamecock (Mormonism: The more you know the goofier it is!)
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To: MEGoody

****The purpose of Beck’s meeting was to bring together people who believe that America was founded on Judeo-Christian values. There are many variances in doctrine among that group, but they do share that one thing in common.****

Ahhhh, but let’s look at where Mormonism and Christianity differ, that is really more useful:

-Mormons believe that you can become your own god, Christians believe in one God.
-Mormons believe you can convert after death, Christians don’t
-Mormons deny the Trinity, Christians embrace that truth.
-Mormons believe that Jesus and Satan are spiritual brothers, Christians, well don’t
-Mormons believe the Holy Spirit had sexual relations with Mary. Christians don’t.

The above are not a couple of minor difference, but more akin to the difference between say, Pelosi and Palin.


78 posted on 09/02/2010 8:23:49 AM PDT by Gamecock (Mormonism: The more you know the goofier it is!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Considering Christ taught us to guard our doctrine, Christians are right to call Beck out whenever he invokes God’s name.


79 posted on 09/02/2010 8:25:48 AM PDT by Gamecock (Mormonism: The more you know the goofier it is!)
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To: MNDude

>>I mean, what was the theology of the paradise-bound thief on the cross next to Christ?<<

Those are my thoughts also. The “believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved” from the Bible has been polluted by most religions in America today. They act as if you need to “add to” what was said.


80 posted on 09/02/2010 8:26:17 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Joann37
I’ve heard Beck say that he became a Mormon just because of his wife - that that was her faith.

here is what Beck has said.. his wife would not marry him unless they had A CHURCH...together they visited various churches and finally an LDS friend invited THEM to a mormon church. They both loved it and so they joined it..

link

81 posted on 09/02/2010 8:27:33 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Salvation

But look at Catholicism!

They pray to “saints”, worship and pray to Mary, the mother of God, even though Scripture clearly tells us to pray to the Father, in the Name of Jesus. And they seem plenty “works oriented” as far as salvation is concerned.

They deviate from Scripture as well. Not sure which faith (LDS or Catholicism) does more.


82 posted on 09/02/2010 8:28:18 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: Gamecock

I pray in the Name of Jesus that more will come forward and expose the mormonism of Glenn Beck as not being Christianity...


83 posted on 09/02/2010 8:29:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeekAndFind

It would be easy to make too big a deal out of this whole thing. Beck has always sounded like more of a real Christian than a Mormon to me. Fact is, he may know little or nothing about Mormon doctrine.


84 posted on 09/02/2010 8:30:25 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: r9etb
I think we are saying the same thing.

Understanding doctrine = knowing and understanding the Gospel.

85 posted on 09/02/2010 8:30:39 AM PDT by Pete
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To: greyfoxx39
agreeing on political philosophy doesn’t give anyone automatic credibility when it comes to spiritual matters.

That's exactly right..... Becks political philosopy should not give him a platform to promote his religion, but he is walking a very fine line as the Mormon Leadership will in time require more of him in that respect...subtle though it will be at first...and just as we have witnessed at his rally. He has not yet swallowed the Mormonism doctrines in entire and prayerfully we will see him turn away in time. Otherwise he will loose the Christian communities support if he attempts to "preach" Mormonism.

86 posted on 09/02/2010 8:31:54 AM PDT by caww
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To: Gamecock
Who cares????

I am really tired of the jihad against Mormons on this web site. It's an embarrassment. It takes up valuable bandwidth, time and energy that could and should be put into a positive effort to get conservatives elected. The negativity of these anti-Mormon diatribes is dragging down the whole web site as well as the conservative movement.

...and it makes you all look like a bunch of nuts.

My advice to everyone is: Don't feed the animals. Don't get pulled into these threads, like I just was. If we don't post on these threads, they will die off a lot quicker. They can't argue if we don't respond.

87 posted on 09/02/2010 8:32:39 AM PDT by Eva
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To: r9etb

It is faith that saves, not belief.

Even demons believe and shudder.

Do you have FAITH that the living Christ has paid the penalty for your sin? Or do you just believe.

Now here is where Mormonism and Christianity split. Mormonism teaches that Christ paid the price and conquered over death - therefore all mankind is “saved” regardless of faith. Mormonism ALSO teaches that only those who keep the commandments and partake of ordinances and covenants by “worthy” LDS members within the LDS Temple will receive Celestial glory and dwell with their “heavenly father.” All others will live eternally separated from God - I don’t think that is what Christians think of as Salvation, this is hell.

Christians have faith that Christ paid the penalty of their sin and this allows them communion with God through the Holy Spirit. Belief in some kind of god is not what saves them, but faith enough to rely on Christ as their Savior is vital. God saves them through faith and not the works of ordinances and covenants. If you have ‘faith’ then you rest in the arms of Christ - if you have ‘belief,’ but not faith you don’t rest in Him, you strive to save yourself.


88 posted on 09/02/2010 8:33:30 AM PDT by colorcountry ("The power of facts is much greater than the power of argument.")
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To: Venturer

Truth is not found in numbers.. many are called but few are chosen .. the road to numbers is wide.. the way of truth is narrow..

I think He is concerned for the name of Christ and His honor


89 posted on 09/02/2010 8:34:26 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: SeekAndFind
Evangelical Scholar Troubled by Theological Ambiguity at Beck Rally (Many Christians Seem Confused)

Before I read through the thread, I predict, 95% of posters don't get, that if you make it about God, you have to have the God part right.

90 posted on 09/02/2010 8:35:05 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("evangelicals don't know Torah well enough to be theonomists." --D. G. Hart)
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To: caww; greyfoxx39
This quote from the article sums it up pretty well for me

"The bottom line is ... we've been used and we've allowed ourselves to be used at times by politicians and others who co-opted God talk,"

Had this rally been promoted as a political rally - I would not have had any problems with it. But it was promoted as a religious rally - no politics. Yet we see the spinoffs - most everyone can see that plainly it was a political rally with God mixed in. Were this to have been a spiritual rally to bring us back to God, it would have taken a whole different form and message.

91 posted on 09/02/2010 8:36:00 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: FairWitness

Wow how sad...


92 posted on 09/02/2010 8:36:23 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: FairWitness
"I suspect a great many men (myself included) could give a similar reason for the church they attend."

And that fact doesn't make them "non-Christians". God knows those that are His (men don't), and they are scattered all over the face of the earth inside and outside organizations of men (wheat among the tares). The true Church is invisible and is comprised of individuals in whom the Holy Spirit resides. Only God knows who they are. End of story.

93 posted on 09/02/2010 8:36:58 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (BP was founder of Cap & Trade Lobby and is linked to John Podesta, The Apollo Alliance and Obama)
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To: Walts Ice Pick

And you would be wrong.


94 posted on 09/02/2010 8:38:50 AM PDT by svcw (Everyday the enemy tries to offer you an apple, when God has already given us an orchard.)
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To: Eva

Mormon?


95 posted on 09/02/2010 8:39:26 AM PDT by Gamecock (Mormonism: The more you know the goofier it is!)
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To: colorcountry

Good question. I hadn’t thought about that. I’d like an LDS source, I guess, since I’d like to know what LDS believe, not someone elses viewpoint on it.


96 posted on 09/02/2010 8:39:53 AM PDT by FourPeas (God Save America)
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To: Genoa

Amen.


97 posted on 09/02/2010 8:40:33 AM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Not true.. .that is the excuse Christians give for him

Here is his “testimony”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKtAPT9KEfM


98 posted on 09/02/2010 8:40:54 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Joann37

Not true.. .that is the excuse Christians give for him

Here is his “testimony”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKtAPT9KEfM


99 posted on 09/02/2010 8:41:34 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: svcw

And you could be right about the guy. I do get the feeling that Beck wants people to “think” he’s a regular Christian.


100 posted on 09/02/2010 8:44:55 AM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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