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God is no longer a man, says Scottish Episcopal church (removes all masculine references to God)
Daily Mail ^ | 09/06/2010

Posted on 09/06/2010 7:54:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Scottish Episcopal Church has caused controversy by removing masculine references to God in a new order of service.

The new form of worship, which removes words such as 'Lord, he, his, him' and 'mankind' from services, has been written by the church in an attempt to acknowledge that God is 'beyond human gender'.

Episcopalian bishops have approved the introduction of more 'inclusive' language, which deliberately removes references suggesting that God is of male gender

Traditionalists have criticised the changes on the grounds that they smack of political correctness and because they believe they are not consistent with the teachings of the Bible.

The alterations have been made to provide an alternative to the established 1982 Liturgy, which, like the Bible, refers to God as a man.

The new order of service, which can be used by priests if they have difficulties with a male God, has been produced by the church's Liturgy Committee in consultation with the Faith & Order Board of General Synod and the College of Bishops.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: episcopalians; gender; god; homosexualagenda; masculine
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Also, in order not to offend the feminine gender, all references to humans will be stripped of gender related language.

Hence, masculine pronouns will be removed.

As an example, the word 'mankind' has been taken out and replaced with 'world'.

1 posted on 09/06/2010 7:55:05 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Will God be pleased to see itself referred to this way?


2 posted on 09/06/2010 7:56:33 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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To: SeekAndFind
Soooooo, Jesus wasn't a man? What was he/she/it? Androgynous?
3 posted on 09/06/2010 7:57:13 PM PDT by irishtenor (Tag lines, they are not what they used to be...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Then, in order to avoid offending Scottish traditionalists, all references in the foreign tongue (English) will be removed.

That pretty well does that eh!

4 posted on 09/06/2010 7:57:27 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind
Disgusting.
5 posted on 09/06/2010 7:57:44 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Ve'al kulam eloha s'lichot, s'lach lanu, m'chal lanu, kaper lanu.)
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To: muawiyah

Guess Mother Nature is off the list, too.


6 posted on 09/06/2010 7:59:41 PM PDT by Bronzy
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To: SeekAndFind

The trivializing headline, “God no longer a man,” is deliberately confusing the issue. I expected more from the Daily Mail.


7 posted on 09/06/2010 7:59:44 PM PDT by Genoa (Titus 2:13)
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8 posted on 09/06/2010 8:00:42 PM PDT by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: SeekAndFind
Perhaps this man will set them straight!

[Double] NOVENA FOR POPE BENEDICT XVI [Ecumenical]

9 posted on 09/06/2010 8:00:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind

Frivolous people striving for irrelevancy.


10 posted on 09/06/2010 8:00:56 PM PDT by samtheman (1)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis

LOL! Good one!


11 posted on 09/06/2010 8:01:38 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SeekAndFind
In order to avoid insulting the hierarchy of the Scottish Episcopol Church, all references to Equus africanus asinus will be called "donkeys".
12 posted on 09/06/2010 8:01:41 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Gun control was originally to protect Klansmen from their victims. The basic reason hasn't changed.)
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To: SeekAndFind

God is not inclusive. Perhaps they should just remove Him.


13 posted on 09/06/2010 8:03:14 PM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: SeekAndFind

Only the Mormons believe God is man,...an exalted man who scored enough points to become a god.

What the unredeemed and confused Eepies are saying is that they will no longer refer to God as a male entity. Which doesn’t change the facts, btw.

God is not threatened by their announcement. He can handle it.


14 posted on 09/06/2010 8:05:00 PM PDT by lurk
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To: SeekAndFind

I was singing a line from “Be Thou My Vision,” that ancient Irish hymn yesterday. I had no trouble singing “Thou my true father, I thy true son” even though I am a woman. I love thinking of God in masculine terms. It’s powerful and strong and noble. I’m his daughter, but I see myself as being cared for tenderly.

C.S. Lewis said that “God is so masculine, that He makes all of creation seem feminine in comparison.”

If Christ is the Bridegroom and the church is the Bride, it gets a little confusing to not call God “He.”

Christ called God Father.


15 posted on 09/06/2010 8:05:26 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: SeekAndFind

This is what is known as missing the point.


16 posted on 09/06/2010 8:05:26 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: KarlInOhio

And they wonder why the denomination is dying.


17 posted on 09/06/2010 8:05:47 PM PDT by Patrick1
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To: Genoa

They don’t need to ask. Arrogance is a substitute for just about everything.


18 posted on 09/06/2010 8:06:17 PM PDT by Goreknowshowtocheat
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To: SeekAndFind

We see this political correctness in lots of ways.

For example, have you noticed that you rarely hear politicians or “talking heads” mention the “Founding Fathers” anymore? They instead label them as the “Founders” or the “Framers” of the constitution. They do this because of women’s lib. Even though every single Founding Father was a man, it is considered offensive to women to refer to them by a title which designated them as men. Hence, we now are told about the “Founders” and “Framers” of the constitution.

It’s the same darn thing with this church. It’s offensive somehow to talk about God the Father, so we will bend over backwards not to offend women.

What if I am offended by this change? Does your opinion count if you are offended by the political correctness? Or does the right to be offended and force these changes only go in one direction???????


19 posted on 09/06/2010 8:07:54 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

Obviously God is “beyond human gender”, but He has revealed Himself as a Father, and in His incarnation Jeseus regerred to “His Father”. So get over it.


20 posted on 09/06/2010 8:20:22 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Jeseus” = Jesus. Sorry, fat finger again.


21 posted on 09/06/2010 8:22:44 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ah yes The New First Edition Bible from the The Scottish Episcopal Church-— Newspeak International version! Now in hardback plus edited for PC and Hate Speech content.


22 posted on 09/06/2010 8:24:05 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: SeekAndFind
Gina: "You are not a man."

JERRY: "Well then what are all those ties and sport jackets doing in my closet?"


23 posted on 09/06/2010 8:26:36 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (YouTube My Space and I'll Google your Yahoo.)
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To: SeekAndFind

All the Cool Scots live over here anyways...the ones in Scotland are a bunch of faggots...


24 posted on 09/06/2010 8:27:51 PM PDT by waterhill (" My Religion is AMERICAN")
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To: lurk

“God is not threatened by their announcement. He can handle it.

True, but His inspired word refers to Him as male, also as Father, Prince, etc. So the church is incorrect to remove the masculine pronouns, since God is the one who put them there.


25 posted on 09/06/2010 8:32:44 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: SeekAndFind

Whooooa. if God made man in his image, and the first man was Adam, he must have been a man. Man was lonely, so God then created a woman from Adams rib. OK, maybe from his DNA, but they may have called it a rib back then? Maybe God was lonely too and made a Momma God and they are sharing the responsibility for mankind, world kind or human kind what ever. Every one loves God, even those nice people who want to stone a woman to death while she is bound and buried 2/3rds of her body length in a hole. All the while shouting how Great God is. Yeah yeah, a different God, but the Pope doesn’t thinks so. The more I read this stuff, the more the question arises; “Are we here, because we are here?”


26 posted on 09/06/2010 8:35:35 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear the most is the one they fear the most.)
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To: agrarianlady
I was singing a line from “Be Thou My Vision,” that ancient Irish hymn yesterday. I had no trouble singing “Thou my true father, I thy true son” even though I am a woman. I love thinking of God in masculine terms. It’s powerful and strong and noble. I’m his daughter, but I see myself as being cared for tenderly.

Whether God has a gender or not, he chose to represent Himself to us as a male. That's good enough for me.

And Be Thou My Vision is my FAVORITE hymn.

27 posted on 09/06/2010 8:36:12 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: waterhill
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28 posted on 09/06/2010 8:37:40 PM PDT by waterhill (" My Religion is AMERICAN")
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t tell that to the guys in San Francisco.


29 posted on 09/06/2010 8:48:52 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Sans-Culotte

Phil Keaggy’s rendition of the hymn.
Just for you—— and other FReeps of course....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcAMV2vQhn4


30 posted on 09/06/2010 8:50:42 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: SeekAndFind

Soooo... God is Elton John?


31 posted on 09/06/2010 8:52:07 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: SeekAndFind

From the same cretins that brought us such fanciful fantasies as “the living constitution” comes “the living Bible”! God might be The Father one minute and God the Ambiguous the next, just like any sexually confused liberal. Isn’t it just precious how they’re trying to remake the Almighty in their own image?

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

For bra-burning feminists so hated men that they castrated God’s son, that whosoever refers to him as the Son should not have eternal life but perish in the fires of political correctness.


32 posted on 09/06/2010 8:55:22 PM PDT by 1cewolf (Duty, honor, excellence.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm continually amused at the pretzels these folks twist themselves into, trying to make the language of the Bible 'inclusive'. How will they ever say the "Lord's Prayer", in the future; Our Parent, who art in Heaven? Or I guess they could say "Our Creator", but they don't believe that anyway.

Unlike those intellectual bright lights in the Scottish Episcopal Church, I'll follow Jesus on this one, because HE is the one who taught us to call God our FATHER.

33 posted on 09/06/2010 9:14:10 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: beethovenfan

So it *was* you! You’d better keep that fat finger away from the stock market.


34 posted on 09/06/2010 9:42:52 PM PDT by BenKenobi (We cannot do everything at once, but we can do something at once. -Silent Cal)
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus told us how to pray to the FATHER.

our FATHER who art in Heaven... seems pretty cut and dry to me.

who are these idiots? can they not read? Do they just believe Jesus had it wrong? ROFL


35 posted on 09/06/2010 9:55:59 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve always noticed that the promoters of Lesbonics (”inclusive language”) always use “men” in lines like “evil men pursue me” or “violent men pluck my beard.”


36 posted on 09/06/2010 10:05:47 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Scottish Episcopal Church is no longer a church. I seriously question the faith of the leaders of that.........church???


38 posted on 09/06/2010 10:27:18 PM PDT by Doctor Don
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To: waterhill

The next thing you know they’ll be wearing kilts.


39 posted on 09/06/2010 10:44:24 PM PDT by haroldeveryman
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To: SeekAndFind

God reveals himself in gender. God reveals Himself as a He. Remember language has gender, people have sex. God is masculine without being male. Jesus taught us to pray, Our FATHER when addressing his FATHER. We were commanded to baptize in the Name of the FATHER, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Scottish Episcopal Church has shown itself to be an apostate Christian cult. It certainly does not believe in divine revelation as found in the Scriptures. As a Lutheran pastor, I would not recognize a baptism in this cult as a valid baptism. As far as I am concerned, the Episcopal Scottish Church is a pagan religion.


40 posted on 09/06/2010 10:51:56 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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Do they just believe Jesus had it wrong?

Indeed they do. These are the same kinds of clowns who like to selectively reduce the penalty for some sins over others.

41 posted on 09/06/2010 11:00:42 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: samtheman

Frivolous people striving for irrelevancy.

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I think they met their goal.


42 posted on 09/06/2010 11:21:18 PM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: Arthur McGowan

I’ve always noticed that the promoters of Lesbonics (”inclusive language”) always use “men” in lines like “evil men pursue me” or “violent men pluck my beard.”

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I have not noticed that, but that is a splendid catch!


43 posted on 09/06/2010 11:23:59 PM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: Doctor Don

The Scottish Episcopal Church is no longer a church. I seriously question the faith of the leaders of that.........church???

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Will it help if the words “Apostolic” and “True” and “Holy” were worked into the title?

This works for some.


44 posted on 09/06/2010 11:31:53 PM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: SeekAndFind

Jesus Christ is a man. Jesus Christ is God. Therefore, God is a man.


45 posted on 09/07/2010 4:07:48 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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To: fwdude

God created man in his own image. Woman was created from man.


46 posted on 09/07/2010 4:30:21 AM PDT by fwdude (Anita Bryant was right.)
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RE: Jesus Christ is a man. Jesus Christ is God. Therefore, God is a man.


I’ve used this argument with them before. Their counter-argument is that God “happened” to choose to come as male.

He could just as well come as female and it would not have made a huge difference.

After all, both male and female were made in Her image ( their words, not mine ).


47 posted on 09/07/2010 5:09:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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"I’ve used this argument with them before. Their counter-argument is that God “happened” to choose to come as male. He could just as well come as female and it would not have made a huge difference."

And I always ask these people then how come satan is always male?? They stare back at me like deer in head lights!

48 posted on 09/07/2010 5:42:29 AM PDT by JustMytwocents70
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To: pnh102

I find it surreal that they think that Jesus didn’t have the ability to look between his legs.


49 posted on 09/07/2010 6:16:39 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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To: SeekAndFind

One of the most hideous neologisms I ever heard was the word “Godself” — used where a sane and normal person would say “Himself.”

For God so loved the world that God gave God’s only-begotten child, so that whosoever believeth in (??? perhaps repeat the phrase since pronouns are forbidden ... ) God’s only begotten child ...


50 posted on 09/07/2010 7:55:11 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Christians need to reclaim and excel in the genre of science fiction.)
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