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The 1,400 Year-War [Islam]
Catholic Education Resource Center ^ | Date unknown | George Jonas

Posted on 09/24/2010 8:43:53 PM PDT by marshmallow

Schoolboys in my native Hungary used to recite an old ditty. It conjured up emotions ossified in the seams of time.

Stork, stork, ciconia,
What makes your foot bleed?
A Turkish lad is slashing it
A Magyar lad is mending it
With a fife, a drum and a fiddle of reed.

The wounded stork’s song was a fragment of tribal memory bobbing to the surface from the collective unconscious of a great historical hurt. It was a bitter lay, a denunciation of the Ottoman Empire, the Xanadu of imperial Islam. The Turks had occupied Hungary for six generations. Although the 150 years of Turkish rule occurred during the 16th and 17th centuries, the Magyars never quite got over it.

The national bird’s lament was a manifestation of recollected trauma, but as the words cast a spell of their own, on the playground we repeated them oblivious to their overtones of ethnic and civilizational hostility. Apart from the puzzle of how to mend a bleeding foot with musical instruments, we were enticed by the alliteration of the first line. It rendered the Latin word for stork—ciconia—as gilice in Hungarian, to harmonize with the Hungarian word for stork—gólya—and made the first line go: Gólya, gólya, gilice. Mournfully pronounced as goh-yah, goh-yah, ghi-lih-tzeh, the words burrowed into our minds. The fiddle of reed (no one knew what a fiddle of reed was, but it sounded magical) was icing on the cake.

The melodious ditty would be viewed as offensive to “diversity” today. We meant to give no offence to anyone—none of us had ever seen a Turkish lad—but we did associate the song with what we had been told about the Turkish occupation of Hungary—the Turkish hódoltság or bondage, as we invariably referred to it, just as Palestinians refer to the creation of Israel as nakba, or catastrophe.

Being in thrall to the Turk meant being in thrall to Islam. This was worse than being in thrall to the German—Hungary’s other great historical trauma—for Germans were at least kin in Christ, while Turks were Muslims.

Having made the mistake of settling in a bad geopolitical neighborhood, the Magyars would come to see themselves as defenders of the West, to which they did not belong, against the East, to which they did.

Christianity’s roots in Hungary were not very deep, but they did go back to the 9th century (with pagan revolts extending into the 11th). The Magyars, a coalition of seven tribes of nomadic horsemen from Siberia, kept riding west until they emerged from familiar Asia and found themselves in alien Europe. This happened shortly before the end of the first millennium. The Magyar chieftains concluded that they had no choice but to adopt Christianity and settle in the fertile lands along both banks of the river Danube, in a region the Romans had called Pannonia.

The chieftains did not realize that they had picked a natural conflict zone. They pitched their tents in the borderlands between civilizations. Buda Castle was still a long way from being built in 895 AD, but the grey Danube (it was never blue) roiling at the foot of the future seat of Hungary’s kings was the last in a series of moats between East and West, Asia and Europe, paganism and monotheism. In due course, it became a moat between Islam and Christendom.

Having made the mistake of settling in a bad geopolitical neighbourhood, the Magyars would come to see themselves as defenders of the West, to which they did not belong, against the East, to which they did. This resulted in Hungarians having a love-hate relationship with both the East and the West for the next thousand years. “East” meant Mongolian and Tartar marauders at first, but the expansion of the Ottoman Empire during the 15th century gradually changed its meaning to include Islam. The crescent moon became a symbol of menace, as the Muslim world made up for the ground it lost in southwestern Europe by its conquests in the southeast. By victories such as Kosovo, the Prophet’s armies gained in the Balkans what they forfeited in Spain. Eventually their success saw them sweep across the great plains of Hungary and Transdanubia, their high tide reaching the walls of Vienna on two occasions, the last time in 1683.

The Magyars resisted Islam’s advance for nearly a century, but eventually they succumbed at Mohács Field in 1526. After that debacle, Hungary’s 150 years of bondage began. Ottoman rule was not unmitigated evil—for instance, horticulture and architecture flourished under it—but it was still a nightmare of caprice and corruption. The Sultan’s soldiers were fatalistic in combat and merciless in victory. The Porta—the Turkish court—combined dizzying hauteur with abject servility. It also combined, along with its entire culture, Oriental cruelty with Muslim self-righteousness. Most measures were considered justified against the giaours (infidels). The trauma of imperial Islam lingers in the lower Danube basin to this day.

I am offering this potted history of the region because my reader is likely to be the product of what I have called “the 60-year gap.” Assuming that he or she was born after 1918 (the year General Allenby rode through the gates of Damascus) but before 1979 (when the Ayatollah Khomeini deposed the Shah of Iran and the mujahedeen began resisting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan), my reader belongs to the only about three generations in 1,400 years during which the struggle between the Islamic and non-Islamic world was on standby. This 60-year gap between the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the resurgence of militant Islam was one of the few periods in which people, as long as they lived in certain sheltered parts of the world, such as Western Europe and North America, could be blissfully unaware that theirs was at war with another.

Even this 60-year gap was a matter of perception rather than reality. The struggle never abated. Pakistan and India conducted full-scale engagements, as did Israel and the so called rejectionist Arab states surrounding it. Still, in the Western perception—and in the Arab perception as well to some extent—the struggle in those years was between the forces of Arab “national liberation” and Western “imperialism” rather than between the armies of the Prophet and those of the infidels.

This 60-year gap between the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the resurgence of militant Islam was one of the few periods in which people, as long as they lived in certain sheltered parts of the world, such as Western Europe and North America, could be blissfully unaware that theirs was at war with another.

The illusion of a gap in the ancient struggle lasted three generations and had certain consequences. One was that when the smouldering fire of Islam’s jihad erupted again in 1979, it caught many, if not most, Westerners by surprise. The 14-century-old conflagration was burning brightly, with American hostages being paraded in Tehran, but many people took another 22 years to notice the flames. Millions did, finally, on a picture-perfect September morning in 2001, though others denied seeing the fire even then.

Some still deny it.

Having grown up in the land of the bloodied stork, I saw 9/11 from a different perspective. A “Turkish lad” slashing a bird’s foot was not totally unfamiliar to me. Though I had no sympathy for wanton rage, coming from the East I could understand how it might arise more easily than Westerners. Irrationality was as irritating to me as to any other creature of a Cartesian culture, but as a native of the Danube basin, I found it less puzzling. I could also entertain the politically incorrect notion that we might be at war, not just with “terrorism” in general, but with the specific terrorism of Islam.

Perhaps Muslim resentment and rage should not have come as a surprise to anyone. Western ascendancy had been rubbing salt into the wounds of Islamic decline for centuries. As the Princeton scholar Bernard Lewis observed in 1990:

“For a long time now there has been a rising tide of rebellion against this Western paramountcy, and a desire to reassert Muslim values and restore Muslim greatness. The Muslim has suffered successive stages of defeat. The first was his loss of domination in the world, to the advancing power of Russia and the West. The second was the undermining of his authority in his own country, through an invasion of foreign ideas and laws and ways of life and sometimes even foreign rulers or settlers, and the enfranchisement of native non-Muslim elements. The third—the last straw—was the challenge to his mastery in his own house, from emancipated women and rebellious children. It was too much to endure, and the outbreak of rage against these alien, infidel and incomprehensible forces that had subverted his dominance, disrupted his society and finally violated the sanctuary of his home was inevitable. It was also natural that this rage should be directed primarily against the millennial enemy and should draw its strength from ancient beliefs and loyalties.”

For radical Islam, this millennial enemy was not only America or Israel, but the entire “House of War,” the world of non-Islamic beliefs and values in general, and Western beliefs and values in particular. The countries of Europe could not exempt themselves from this jihadist view by conciliatory gestures. Neither could Canada.

Stork, stork, ciconia,
What makes your foot bleed?

The answer had slammed into the Twin Towers on the morning of Sept 11, 2001.

TOPICS: Islam; Religion & Culture

1 posted on 09/24/2010 8:43:56 PM PDT by marshmallow
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2 posted on 09/24/2010 8:52:12 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: marshmallow

Interestingly, although the Turks ruled Hungary for so long, Islam seems not to have taken root. There are currently about 60,000 Muslims in Hungary, as opposed to about six million Roman Catholics.

3 posted on 09/24/2010 9:34:26 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: marshmallow

Thank you to George Jonas for this, I’l save it as a refferance

4 posted on 09/24/2010 10:37:30 PM PDT by munin (Enki did it, George Bush did it)
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To: marshmallow

Thanks for the post!

5 posted on 09/24/2010 11:14:24 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Fiji Hill; marshmallow; Kolokotronis; kosta50
True. Hungarians are pretty steadfast Christians. However, that's true of most of the Balkans --> Greeks (ruled for nearly 500 years), Serbs, Bulgars, etc. did not convert. Albanians did convert, though you can say in Albania proper most of them follow the religion of Albanianism rather than Christianity or Islam. Bosnians were Southern Slavs (Serbo-Croats --> ok, both sides will hate me for this, but Serbs and Croats are essentially the same ethnicity with the same language but different religions) who were on the fault line between Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy, like the Albanians.

And, what of the Maronites of Lebanon - Christians under 1400 years of Muslim rule -- ditto for the Copts of Egypt.

What is embarassing is, as the author has pointed out --> we forgot about these people, past and present.

We forgot our previous history -- the Magyars were tremendous warriors who in the 8th-10th centuries terrorised Europe as they were undefeatable. They were also from Asia (as the author points out), as were the minor strain of Bulgars (Volga Tartars).
6 posted on 09/24/2010 11:38:17 PM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Cronos; Fiji Hill; marshmallow; Kolokotronis
Bosnians were Southern Slavs (Serbo-Croats --> ok, both sides will hate me for this, but Serbs and Croats are essentially the same ethnicity with the same language but different religions)

Not really. The Croats adopted a dialect of Serbian (also known as shtokavian dialect) as their literary language in 1850. A good number of Croats spoke shootkavian by that time, but that was only of recent origin.

First shtokavian documents in Croatia proper appear in the late 15th century, commensurate with large anumber of shtoklavia-speaking Bosnian refugees fleeing Ottoman Turkish invaders.

The only earlier source of shtokavian in what is now Croatian coastline is documented around the city of Dubrovnik, where the population outside the city was Serbian, and the indigenous population in the city were Latin-speaking Romans (until the early 19th century).

Prior to the appearance of large numbers of shtokavian-speaking population in Croatia, the administrative language was the so-called chakavian dialect which is unintelligible to shtokavinas in its oriignal form. Today, chakavian has been heavily influenced and mixed with shtokavian.

The very first Croatian written document of a Croatian king, dating back to the first millennium is in chakavian, a language that was spoken in most of the littoral and continental Croatia all the way up to the capital Zagreb (aka Agram). The 16th century Croatian Missal is in chakavian. Chakavian is therefore the true historic and ethnic Croatian language.

In northern, and western Croatia, including the capital, the language spoken is known as kajkavština, kajkavski (kaykavian), which is a dialect of Slovenian with a heavy admixture of German. Although one third of all Croats speak this dialect, it is not considered a true ethnic Croatian language, although, like shtokavian since 1850, it has been used as a literary language and is still used for prose by some authors.

Chakavian, on the other hand, has been used dministratively until the end of the 16th century, and is in the literary use mostly for poetry, but very little prose.

After the 16th century and until the latter half of the 19th century, the language of adinistration in Croatia was German and Hungarian, and the language in the Croatian palriament was Latin.

No Serb speaks chakavian or kaykavian as a native language. Serbian is 100% shtokavian. Under Maria Theresa, large number of population of Austria-Hungary, including Herzegovina were converted from Eastern Orthodoxy into Catholicism under her Uniate policies ("Uniate" was the official name).

At the same time, religion rather than language became the ethnic "marker" in the Balkans under her reign. Thus, a large number of newly "minted" shtokavian-speaking "Croats" (formerly Eastern Orthodox Serbs and Vlachs) appeared on the scene.

Contrary to just about any known tribal characteristic, the Croats suddenly became a tribe with three languages rather than one. In the rets of the world, tribal (ethnic) "marker" is native language: if you speak Greek, you are Greek; if you speak Apache, guess what? only when it comes to Serbian does this break down.

In 1850, motivated by the pan-Slavic idealism, the Serbs, Croats and Sloevnes gathered in Vienna and signed a Linguistic Agreement, whereby they agreed to accept shtokavian as the literary standard.

Slovenes only accepted the spelling standard developed by a Croat Ljudevit Gaj (pron. Lyudevit Guy), but kept their native Slovenian. The Croats, many of whom already spoke shtokavian, accepted it as literary standard along with Gaj's orthography. The Serbs simply continued using their own shtoklavian language as they did until then.

Later on, for political and other reasons, the communist regime in Yugoslavia in 1954 proclaimed the existence of a Serbo-Croatian "language".

rest assured, there is no such thing as anything Serbo-Croat any more than the Scots can be considered English simply because they accepted English as their spoken language.

Just as the Scots speak a dialect of English, and no one says they are Anglo-Scottish, as do Americans and no one says we are Anglo-Americans, the Croats speak a dialect of Serbian (in addition to their native chakavian and kaykavian) and there is no such thing as Serbo-Croat.

Serbs and Croats were two separate Slavic tribes whose proto-Slavic (old-Slavonic) language common to all Slavs rapidly developed into specific ehtnic languages, chakavian and shtokavian; the latter also becomes the Croatian literary standard after 1850.

7 posted on 09/25/2010 12:46:29 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: marshmallow; kosta50; Cronos

Great post, m. The West understands virtually nothing about Mohammedanism and the Mohammedan world and for that reason, the West may well collapse and collapse hard.

“Even this 60-year gap was a matter of perception rather than reality.”

I’ll say. In September 1922, at least 150,000 Greek and Armenian Christians were slaughtered by the Turks under the leadership of the demonic Ataturk in what had been the jewel of Ionian cities, Smyrna; 150,000 massacred and the ships of the “Christian” Western powers, including of the US, stood just off shore in the harbor and refused to pick up any of the fleeing Christians. The few who were rescued were plucked from the harbor by the Japanese!

The same sorts of things were going on in South Eastern Turkey and northern Syria against the Syriac and Armenian people.

But we all survived and those old people never forgot and they made sure that their children and grandchildren to the 10th generation and beyond would not forget. And we won’t, ever. The West hasn’t “forgotten”. The West never cared. I won’t go into why.

8 posted on 09/25/2010 4:33:56 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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