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To: pgyanke

You wrote:

“You are distorting its meaning.”

I am NOT doing that one bit.

“Rerum Novarum is a very harsh rebuke of socialism and communism. It also has warnings about unbridled capitalism. However, it is no conflict with American values as we also don’t believe in unbridled capitalism. That is why we have labor laws, anti-trust laws and the rest.”

Nothing I posted from RN goes against RN - of course! You accused me of distorting it with a selective excerpt. Prove your accusation. Can you?

“Reading this passage as an indictment of the Church against western society is your error.”

What? What on earth are you talking about? Who made an “indictment of the Church against western society”? Not me. Now you are apparently just making things up out of thin air. Show where I EVER said this was “indictment of the Church against western society”. Can you?

“Taken in its context (the whole encyclical) makes this very clear.”

Taken in its context it shows the government has responsibilities to the poor. But here’s what you said: “When did the Catholic Church begin teaching that governments are supposed to be our brother’s keeper?”

“You could just as easily post excerpts from the Catechism of the Catholic Church or the Bible to the same effect and purpose. However, when taken as a whole, the Church’s doctrine is opposed to the very foundations of socialism.”

Who - between the two of us - is claiming the Church is supporting socialism? Not me. Again, you’re creating straw men. I guess you do that when you lose an argument that quickly. I wouldn’t know.

“Only the ignorant or overtly biased would see otherwise in the teachings of the Church.”

And that means - even by your standards - that I am not “ignorant or overtly biased” since I do not believe that and made no such claims.

The Church teaches the government has duties to the poor. Deal with it.


39 posted on 10/22/2010 6:24:41 PM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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To: vladimir998; MIchaelTArchangel
But here’s what you said: “When did the Catholic Church begin teaching that governments are supposed to be our brother’s keeper?”

Actually, no. That was MIchaelTArchangel in post #9.

I think we're both arguing with him through each other. My apologies for misunderstanding your position.

42 posted on 10/22/2010 8:09:39 PM PDT by pgyanke (You have no "rights" that require an involuntary burden on another person. Period. - MrB)
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To: vladimir998
The Church teaches the government has duties to the poor. Deal with it.

Of course, but the important question is: what are those duties? The Declaration of Independence says that governments are instituted to secure unalienable rights. So does the church and do the tea parties.

52 posted on 10/24/2010 5:22:54 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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