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The Antichrist Hoax
American Vision ^ | October 29, 2010 | Joel McDurmon

Posted on 10/29/2010 8:28:07 AM PDT by topcat54

You can pretty much rest assured that prophecy teachers (pastor, preacher, “prophet,” pundit, televangelist, and the like) have little idea what they’re talking about when they use the phrase “the Antichrist.” It’s a dead giveaway that any such person has sold out dogmatically, uncritically, and close-mindedly to a particular system of end-times theology rather than a purely biblical assessment of the issue.

Why such a strong conclusion over the mere phrase “the Antichrist”?

Because no such character appears in Scripture. Let me explain.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanvision.org ...


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"Once the student of Scripture has pursued what the Bible itself actually says about antichrist, he will be in position to realize the many farces forced upon him by modern Christianity. He or she will know that there is no such figure mentioned or predicted in the Bible as “the Antichrist.” They will see through the myth."
1 posted on 10/29/2010 8:28:12 AM PDT by topcat54
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"For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled." (Luke 21:22)

2 posted on 10/29/2010 8:31:34 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: All

So if we are now to assume that the term “antichrist” applies to a group and/or idealogy, is it safe to say that the triune of Obama, Pelosi, & Reid, along with all they represent and desire, are “the antichrist?”


3 posted on 10/29/2010 8:36:03 AM PDT by awakened (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: topcat54

Isn’t there a song about somebody going down to Georgia? Maybe he has already showed up given what is being said out of Georgia?


4 posted on 10/29/2010 8:36:08 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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The False Prophet:

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth;
and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was healed.

And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come
down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by those miracles
which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;
saying to them that dwell on the earth,
that they should make an image to the beast,
which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak,
and cause that as many as would not
worship the image of the beast should be killed.

And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor,
free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand,
or in their foreheads:

And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast:
for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Revelation 13:11


5 posted on 10/29/2010 8:40:55 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: topcat54
There is no one named "Joel McDurmon" in the Bible either, but that doesn't mean that Christ didn't die for him.

The name "Anti-Christ" is not what the coming world leader will be known as. He will be lauded and beloved by those who hate God and will probably be called a savior. "Anti-Christ" is a simply a name that people generally use to describe that Satanic leader. He could also be called "Man of Sin", "Son of Perdition" and "Beast".

I'm certain that you don't want to believe that a Satanic world leader will arise, but the Bible makes it clear. The prophecies of Christ's return and the defeat of the Anti-Christ have not yet been fulfilled, but I'm certain that you can explain them away with some tortured interpretation of Scripture.

Good luck with that.

6 posted on 10/29/2010 8:45:30 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne (Buy Gold and Guns Now!)
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To: awakened

I think it’s pretty safe to say anything...it still doesn’t make it so though.


7 posted on 10/29/2010 8:46:57 AM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: topcat54

Fantastic article. I’ve been saying essentially the same things for years now.

Well written. Hopefully this will wake up some of the loonies out there.


8 posted on 10/29/2010 8:50:31 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: awakened
Obama, Pelosi, & Reid, along with all they represent and desire

These certainly are antichrist. National Socialism, international Communism, mohammedanism, whatever you call the ideology informing the French Revolution ... these, too, were and are antichrist. Indeed, any ideology which raises anything to a higher status than Almighty God: The Father and The Son and The Holy Spirit, is antichrist.

9 posted on 10/29/2010 8:53:17 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: stuartcr

Ohhhhhh... but I think it’s far more than “safe” actually. I think it’s absolutely true. See post just above yours.


10 posted on 10/29/2010 8:57:48 AM PDT by awakened (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: stuartcr

Sorry.... I meant see post by “Arrogant Bustard”


11 posted on 10/29/2010 8:59:33 AM PDT by awakened (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: topcat54

Islam on the other hand does talk about the coming of a defacto Anti-Christ, also known as the Twelfth Imam.


12 posted on 10/29/2010 9:00:13 AM PDT by Bean Counter
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To: awakened

Nope, I still don’t think so.


13 posted on 10/29/2010 9:02:39 AM PDT by stuartcr (When politicians politicize issues, aren't they just doing their job?)
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To: Bean Counter

Mohammedanism is based on the ravings of a demon-infested madman. I don’t credit it with being prophetic in any sense.


14 posted on 10/29/2010 9:03:17 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: All

Who is the “man of sin”?


15 posted on 10/29/2010 9:03:21 AM PDT by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: Dr. Thorne

Wow... you mean just like that guy in front of the Roman Columns in the coliseum at the DNC awhile back? You know... the guy people were getting “leg tingles” from and who were fainting in the aisles when he spoke, praising him as the new savior? Ummmm what’s his name again? The guy with an absent father, the guy who pretty much came out of nowhere to hysterical masses and insane popularity? Oh darn... you know who I mean... I keep forgetting his name because he’s changed it a few times, along with his birth certificate.


16 posted on 10/29/2010 9:03:46 AM PDT by awakened (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: topcat54

I think the word Hoax is unnecessarily harsh. I’m sort of an agnostic on the end times scenarios (except that Jesus WILL come again), but I don’t think there is any conspiracy on the part of anyone to deceive people about it.


17 posted on 10/29/2010 9:04:08 AM PDT by DManA
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To: awakened

Except for the DNC part, I’m not sure if you’re talking about Adolf Hitler or Josef Stalin.


18 posted on 10/29/2010 9:05:27 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DManA
I don’t think there is any conspiracy on the part of anyone to deceive

Right ... it's just that some folks get whipped into a frenzy over dodgy theology. Get a few of them together, and things start to spin out of control.

19 posted on 10/29/2010 9:07:36 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

LOL


20 posted on 10/29/2010 9:08:51 AM PDT by awakened (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing its idiot.)
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To: topcat54

Darn ... I always look forward to DeMars latest scoffing.


21 posted on 10/29/2010 9:10:34 AM PDT by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: anyone

http://www.worldofthebible.com/Bible%20Studies/The%20Antichrist%20in%20Prophecy.pdf


22 posted on 10/29/2010 9:18:53 AM PDT by onthelookout777
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To: topcat54

Hmmm.....
Sufficiently well documented, such that I’ll have to reflect a bit...


23 posted on 10/29/2010 9:44:36 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: Dr. Thorne

You might try reading the article first.....

The author makes it clear that the Bible accounts for several anti-Christ’s across history. Not the least of which is Nero who fits the 666 warning quite well.


24 posted on 10/29/2010 9:50:05 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: evets

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

The above discussion is arguing semantics but the spirit of the passages to me indicate an actual entity. I suppose at the end when the beast is revealed it will matter little whether he is called the antichrist or the man of lawlessness or the beast out of the earth or simply Obama (toungue in cheek).


25 posted on 10/29/2010 9:54:00 AM PDT by 1forall (America - my home, my land, my country.)
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To: topcat54
"Why such a strong conclusion over the mere phrase “the Antichrist”?

I think he is trying to point out the singular not the plural or anti-Christ spirit of an age or group.

1 John 4

Test the Spirits

1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

"This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world."

But thank God for these books for awareness no matter what the critique. Some never would not of read scripture without these books to read at bookstores or libraries.

26 posted on 10/29/2010 10:47:53 AM PDT by johngrace (God so loved the world so he gave his only son! Praise Jesus and Hail Mary!)
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To: topcat54
The conclusions of the article are misleading and totally false. While there is a "spirit of antichrist," mentioned in the Word of God, Scripture is clear; there is ONE coming... the MAN of sin, who embodies this spirit of antichrist and who will present himself as the Christ:

"Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, “Come.”

I looked, and behold, a white horse, and HE who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to HIM, and HE went out conquering and to conquer." (Revelation 6:1-2, Emphasis added)

The following text makes it clear that an INDIVIDUAL is coming and that he will be a MAN, :

And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on HIS horns were ten diadems, and on HIS heads were blasphemous names.

And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and HIS feet were like those of a bear, and HIS mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave HIM his power and his throne and great authority.

I saw one of HIS heads as if it had been slain, and HIS fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast;

they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with HIM?” There was given to HIM a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to HIM.

And HE opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

It was also given to HIM to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to HIM.

All who dwell on the earth will worship HIM, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

If anyone has an ear, let him hear.

If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes;

if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.

(The false prophet will compel the whole world to worship this man and to bear his mark in order to buy or sell anything:)

"Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon.

He exercises all the authority of the first beast IN HIS PRESENCE. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to WORSHIP the FIRST BEAST, whose fatal wound was healed.

He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an IMAGE TO THE BEAST who had the wound of the sword and has come to life.

And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

And he causes ALL, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead,

and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either THE NAME OF THE BEAST or the number of HIS NAME.

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of A MAN; and HIS number is six hundred and sixty-six. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of THE BEAST, for the number is that of A MAN; and HIS NUMBER is six hundred and sixty-six. (Revelation 13:1-18, Emphasis added)

Throughout the above passage the Apostle John uses the masculine singular in describing THE BEAST, THE PRINCE WHO is to come is a MAN (Daniel 9:26).

As was stated earlier: "The name "Anti-Christ" is not what the coming world leader will be known as. He will be lauded and beloved by those who hate God and will probably be called a savior. "Anti-Christ" is a simply a name that people generally use to describe that Satanic leader. He could also be called "Man of Sin", "Son of Perdition" and "Beast".

27 posted on 10/29/2010 11:10:18 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from =evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Jmouse007

It’s been debated over and over but it already happened. There is no singular anti-Christ and John was referring to the Roman empire. But don’t let that stop all you lunatics waiting for the end times. Spark that bone and pass it around, dude!


28 posted on 10/29/2010 11:23:30 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Bean Counter
Islam on the other hand does talk about the coming of a defacto Anti-Christ, also known as the Twelfth Imam.

You mean that phantasm that "Bible scholar" Joel Rosenberg write about in his fiction?

29 posted on 10/29/2010 11:54:29 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: Jmouse007
As was stated earlier: "The name "Anti-Christ" is not what the coming world leader will be known as.

The word "antichrist" is found in the Bible, but it is never used in association with any "end time" individual ala futurism. Yet that is what futurists consistently call their end time figure. Why?

30 posted on 10/29/2010 11:58:34 AM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: dartuser

“Scoffing at the excesses of futurism for 32 years.”


31 posted on 10/29/2010 12:04:36 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: DManA
I’m sort of an agnostic on the end times scenarios (except that Jesus WILL come again), but I don’t think there is any conspiracy on the part of anyone to deceive people about it.

Conspiracy? Only if you consider most of these prophecy gurus spinning a similar yarn about end time details a conspiracy.

32 posted on 10/29/2010 12:06:49 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: Jmouse007
The Beast of Revelation by Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr.
33 posted on 10/29/2010 12:11:07 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: topcat54
It's important to remember that all the reformers were untied as to who and what the antichrist is and was...

REFORMERS' INTERPRETATIONS OF ANTI-CHRIST

As the above link concludes...

"The Evangelical Fundamentalist interpretation of Antichrist and Man of Sin as follows Ribera's and Bellarmine's Futuristic viewpoints. Not only has the Futuristic interpretation negated the powerful Reformation interpretation against Papacy, but it also allows room for ecumenism between Protestantism and Roman Catholicism. If the Papacy is not the Antichrist, then there is no point to the Reformation separation from Papacy."

And...

ANTI-CHRIST IN HISTORY

13. John Calvin took over and systematized Luther’s Biblical views. Calvin called Luther "my much respected father" who had denounced "the darkness of the papacy." Calvin himself then further repeatedly exposed the Roman pontiff as antichrist.

14. Calvin indicated that though the AD 600 Gregory the Great was the first bishop at Rome to be called sole pope, Gregory himself had regarded that new title as a mark of antichrist! Yet Calvin saw especially the AD 1415 papal burning of Huss as a clear evidence of the antichristian nature of the papacy. On Daniel 12:4ff, Calvin commented in 1561: "At the present time, in the papacy . . . impiety prevails."

15. Calvin especially insisted that both II Thessalonians 2:3ff and I John 2:18 & 4:4ff clearly brand the pope as antichrist. Romanists, said Calvin, were wrong to regard antichrist as a yet-future tyrant who would harass the church for but three and a half years. Even a ten-year-old, stated Calvin, can see that the centuries-long papacy is itself indeed antichrist! Yet the papal "antichrist will be annihilated by the Word of the Lord . . . Paul does not think the Christ will accomplish this in a moment . . . Christ will scatter the darkness . . . before His coming" by "the preaching of this doctrine." For "we fight by Christ’s power, and are armed with God’s weapons . . . We are victorious . . . We can no more be conquered, than can God Himself . . . Victory is certain!"

16. Calvin’s views were expounded in Britain especially by his student John Knox together with the rest of the "six John’s" in the 1560 First Scots Confession. There, the Protestants’ "True Kirk is distinguished from the filthy synagogues" of Romanism. Especially against the latter, the Confession sounds the trumpet blast: "Arise, O Lord, and let Thy enemies be confounded . . . Give Thy servants strength to speak Thy Word in boldness, and let all nations cleave to Thy true knowledge!"

17. The Calvinistic Second Scots Confession of AD 1580 also known as the Scottish National Covenant denounces "all kinds of papistry in general. We detest and refuse the usurped authority of that Roman antichrist. Many are stirred up by Satan and that Roman antichrist to subvert secretly God’s true religion . . . We therefore . . . protest!" Indeed, this Protestant ‘protest’ was effective. For the Preamble to the 1618ff international Calvinistic Decrees of Dordt declared that also in Holland "the Church was delivered by the mighty hand of God from the tyranny of the Romish antichrist and the terrible idolatry of the papacy." Christians were leaving Romanism, Revelation 18:2-4!

18. The 1646 Calvinistic Westminster Confession of Faith denounces "popish monastical vows." It denies "the pope any power or jurisdiction" over magistrates, citing here not only II Thessalonians 2:4 but also the ‘666’ passage of Revelation 13:15-17. It calls "papists . . . idolaters." It describes "the popish sacrifice of the ‘mass’ . . . [as] most abominably injurious to Christ’s one sacrifice." Indeed, it terms "transubstantiation . . . repugnant not to Scripture alone, but even to common sense and reason" and indeed "the cause of manifold superstitions, yea, of gross idolatries."

19. More specifically, the Westminster Confession further insists about deformed churches, that "some have so degenerated as to become synagogues of Satan. Revelation 18:2; Romans 11:18-22 . . . The pope of Rome . . . is that antichrist . . . that exalteth himself in the church against Christ and all that is called God. Matthew 23:8-10; II Thessalonians 2:3-4, 8-9; Revelation 13:6."

20. Finally, the Calvinistic Westminster Larger Catechism insists that, in the Lord’s Prayer, the petition ‘Thy Kingdom come!’ is a plea for the destruction also of the ecclesiastical antichrist and indeed precisely through the good works of the Spirit-empowered Church as Christ’s own spiritual weapon! "We pray that the kingdom of sin and Satan may be destroyed, the gospel propagated throughout the world, the Jews called, the fullness of the Gentiles brought in, [and] the Church furnished with all gospel-officers and . . . purged from corruption." Further, "we pray that God would so over-rule the world and all in it that our sanctification and salvation may be perfected [and] Satan trodden under our feet. Romans 16:20!"


34 posted on 10/29/2010 12:38:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: topcat54
“Scoffing at the excesses of futurism for 32 years.” because its easier than defending preterism.
35 posted on 10/29/2010 12:53:18 PM PDT by dartuser ("The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has limits.")
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To: dartuser
because its easier than defending preterism.

Not easier, but necessary. Truth often needs to be presented in positives and negatives. We believe this but we do not believe that, and here’s why.

36 posted on 10/29/2010 2:08:36 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: Peter from Rutland
Lunatics?... rightly the Word of God says of mockers lie you:

"Know this first of all, that in the last days MOCKERS WILL COME with their MOCKING, following after their own lusts, and saying, “WHERE IS THE PROMISE OF HIS (i.e., The Lord Jesus Christ)COMING? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all continues just as it was from the beginning of creation.”

For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water,

through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.

But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for FIRE, kept for the day of JUDGMENT and DESTRUCTION of ungodly men. (2 Peter 3:3-7, Emphasis added)

37 posted on 10/29/2010 2:32:33 PM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from =evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: Bean Counter

This thread is about bashing Christians. Not about the anti-christ. TC has a history


38 posted on 10/29/2010 4:25:34 PM PDT by STD (He walks like a duck, he talks like a duck, yo' mama married two of the duckers, U a duck Boy!)
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To: Bean Counter

This thread is about bashing Christians. Not about the anti-christ. TC has a history


39 posted on 10/29/2010 4:27:20 PM PDT by STD (He walks like a duck, he talks like a duck, yo' mama married two of the duckers, U a duck Boy!)
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To: topcat54

Phantasm? hardly, and Joel Rosenberg is hardly the first person to mention it.

“The Mahdi” is an integral part of Islam, and every so often throughout History, someone has stood up and claimed to be the Islamic Mahdi and touched off a fresh round of Jihad as a result.

While we were fighting our civil war here in America, “the Mahdi” arose in what was then still a part of the Ottoman Empire in the area known as Soudan, and his jihadists fought their way down into the heart of Aftica, slaughtering thousands of natives and others in the process.

Ayatollah Khomeni never claimed to be the Mahdi, but he didn’t stop others from calling him “Imam” either. In the end, just another fakir...

By the way, have you read Rosenberg’s latest?? I burned through it in about three days, and it is well sourced like his other writings are, and makes an excellent read while providing ample food for thought.


40 posted on 10/29/2010 4:59:20 PM PDT by Bean Counter
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To: Bean Counter
Phantasm? hardly, and Joel Rosenberg is hardly the first person to mention it.

The Twelfth Imam story is a phantasm. It does not exist. It is a fable or legend of a pagan religion. Like Vishnu or Shiva.

41 posted on 10/29/2010 6:22:31 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: STD; Bean Counter
This thread is about bashing Christians. Not about the anti-christ. TC has a history

Christians with a bad take on eschatology, who are keen on calling other Christians who do not agree with them all sorts of names. At your service.

42 posted on 10/29/2010 6:28:11 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Dispensationalism -- like crack for the eschatologically naive.")
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To: awakened
"... Obama, Pelosi, & Reid, along with all they represent and desire, are “the antichrist?”

You forgot one. ;-)

43 posted on 10/29/2010 6:36:18 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist (The MSM is a demonic stronghold, PLEASE pray accordingly - 2 Corinthians 10:3-5)
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To: topcat54

So maybe Obama actually is an anti-Christ.

I can believe that


44 posted on 10/29/2010 7:03:11 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: topcat54

I’m with ya!


45 posted on 10/29/2010 8:46:27 PM PDT by Bean Counter
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To: topcat54

Yes, i agree that john was not referring to the end time beast of revelation when he was talking about the anti Christs, since they were already here how could it just be referring to the end time.

The king James version, makes it clear, as it is the only authorized version and while it may be a little harder to understand , it does not contradict its self like some of the versions translated from it.


46 posted on 10/30/2010 9:08:17 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: G Larry
The author makes it clear that the Bible accounts for several anti-Christ’s across history. Not the least of which is Nero who fits the 666 warning quite well.

The one coming will be the big daddy of them all. The one that will lead to the return of Jesus. You can't say that about Nero and the rest.

47 posted on 10/30/2010 9:20:56 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Peter from Rutland

It’s been debated over and over but it already happened. There is no singular anti-Christ and John was referring to the Roman empire. But don’t let that stop all you lunatics waiting for the end times. Spark that bone and pass it around, dude.


There is really nothing to debate, it either will or it won,t.

I don,t think that the end time beast is necessarily an individual and it may not come with banners and flashing lights but it appears to me that it is here now.

By Johns own words in revelation
Rome was the sixth beast, the end time beast is the eighth beast, some what the same beast, but a different time.

Israel was restored as a nation in our life time as was plainly foretold over twenty five hundred years ago, and i think the end time beast is also becoming a reality.


48 posted on 10/30/2010 9:45:10 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: topcat54

He or she will know that there is no such figure mentioned or predicted in the Bible as “the Antichrist.” They will see through the myth.”


I think it could be either way but i think it probably means plural, still i wonder why the people who do not believe in the revelation of God tries to trash the king James?

Not too many years ago almost every one read the K.J.V and they still argued tooth and nail which means that people will read in it or ignore it to suit them selfs, and they do the same with these other so called translations.


49 posted on 10/30/2010 10:00:13 AM PDT by ravenwolf (Just a bit of the long list of proofs)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

There is no certainty that the next one is the last one.

Everyone sees history and the future from the perspective of their own lifetime.

We have no reason to expect to be a part of the end times, but should live each day as though it were our last.


50 posted on 10/30/2010 10:29:10 AM PDT by G Larry (When you're "RIGHT" you don't look for ways to compromise!)
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